11-7-2024 - PPCMC 7.2.7 - YouTube/Twitch Streaming, Downloading, File Conversion, Web Interface, & More For Mac OS X 10.3.9-10.5.8

whiskersld · Feb 26, 2022

being able to use 3gp is awesome... i find quicktime player (my prefered media player) handles it better than mp4.
the day 3gp versions of 240 p and 360p get added to dlp i will make out with the local snapping turtle population

alex_free · Feb 26, 2022

whiskersld said:
being able to use 3gp is awesome... i find quicktime player (my prefered media player) handles it better than mp4.
the day 3gp versions of 240 p and 360p get added to dlp i will make out with the local snapping turtle population

That is up to our Google overlords but you never know (720p streaming disappeared for years but here it is once again)

Macbookprodude · Feb 26, 2022

Google can't do this and they don't have the right to surpress.. we must fight the power to keep our voices heard - Rights for older machines to allow us them on their platform.

whiskersld · Feb 26, 2022

Macbookprodude said:
Google can't do this and they don't have the right to surpress.. we must fight the power to keep our voices heard - Rights for older machines to allow us them on their platform.

It's all about $$$, can't run those tracking cookies as easy on older pc's so in their eyes they consider them useless

Dronecatcher · Feb 27, 2022

whiskersld said:
being able to use 3gp is awesome... i find quicktime player (my prefered media player) handles it better than mp4.
the day 3gp versions of 240 p and 360p get added to dlp i will make out with the local snapping turtle population

You can mitigate this to a degree by telling ffplay to increase the output window size if you use launch scripts like mine:

#358

Of course, the resolution is still 144P but at least you're not squinting...

alex_free · Feb 27, 2022

Macbookprodude said:
Google can't do this and they don't have the right to surpress.. we must fight the power to keep our voices heard - Rights for older machines to allow us them on their platform.

I mean, they can though, they literally control what formats we can download and which we can stream in a single file format (which is only 3!) because they are the host of these files. I wish it was 2014 again too and all the formats where available in single files too but it is not up to us.

alex_free · Mar 7, 2022

Interesting youtube-dl post on hacker news.

alex_free · Mar 17, 2022

I now have my Mac mini tower connected to a 50 inch 4k tv and have a fold out table for my keyboard and mouse at the end of my bed. This is amazing.

I had barely any setup at all before with a 720p 32 inch mounted terribly high and no joke no desk at all for the keyboard and mouse.

The PS1 is hilarious connected to this...

Amethyst1 · Mar 19, 2022

alex_free said:
The PS1 is hilarious connected to this...

Hilariously pixelated, you mean?

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

The next update is going to be a snow Leopard esque release. For example it will be in the realm of 400MBs smaller as I figured out I can just remove git and compile a more up to date info-zip that can extract the yt-dlp release downloaded by curl. The built in unzip command in Mac OS X is too old to unzip it successfully. This will double as the fix for the updater in the Intel edition.

CDRDAO will be reverted to v1.2.1 as 1.2.4 is not working correctly.

barracuda156 · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
The next update is going to be a snow Leopard esque release. For example it will be in the realm of 400MBs smaller as I figured out I can just remove git and compile a more up to date info-zip that can extract the yt-dlp release downloaded by curl. The built in unzip command in Mac OS X is too old to unzip it successfully. This will double as the fix for the updater in the Intel edition.

CDRDAO will be reverted to v1.2.1 as 1.2.4 is not working correctly.

Will it have support for 10.6 PPC btw?

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

barracuda156 said:
Will it have support for 10.6 PPC btw?

I might install 10.6 once I upgrade the mini's HDD. What would I do next to get a compiler?

I am unsure if a snow Leopard version will make it in the next update but eventually it will happen.

B S Magnet · Mar 31, 2022

barracuda156 said:
Will it have support for 10.6 PPC btw?

It already has some support in a Snow Leopard PowerPC setting. I’ve covered some of this in earlier posts, in which I’m able to successfully grab YT links as MP4s in Build 10A96.

barracuda156 · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
I might install 10.6 once I upgrade the mini's HDD. What would I do next to get a compiler?

I am unsure if a snow Leopard version will make it in the next update but eventually it will happen.

If you use 10A190 with Xcode from 10A190, you may follow steps here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-6-powerpc-10a190-and-10-6-8-rosetta.2332711/
(10A96 is broken at the moment, at least with Macports.)

P. S. Alternatively, if you prefer building without Macports, you can bootstrap gcc10ppc from here on 10.6.8 Rosetta against 10A190 SDK:

GitHub - iains/gcc-10-branch at gcc-10-3-ppc

[April 2021] 10.3 plus Darwin additions, initial 10.3 Arm64. - GitHub - iains/gcc-10-branch at gcc-10-3-ppc

github.com

You will need to use this patch:

Code:

--- /Users/svacchanda/darwin.h    2022-01-30 15:16:32.000000000 +0800
+++ /Users/svacchanda/gcc-10-branch/gcc/config/darwin.h    2022-01-30 02:12:29.000000000 +0800
@@ -202,7 +202,7 @@
 */
 
 #define DARWIN_NOCOMPACT_UNWIND \
-" %:version-compare(>= 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -no_compact_unwind) "
+" %:version-compare(>= 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -no_compact_unwind) "
 
 /* In Darwin linker specs we can put -lcrt0.o and ld will search the library
    path for crt0.o or -lcrtx.a and it will search for for libcrtx.a.  As for
@@ -437,14 +437,14 @@
 #undef REAL_LIBGCC_SPEC
 #define REAL_LIBGCC_SPEC \
 "%{static-libgcc|static:                          \
-    %:version-compare(!> 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
-    %:version-compare(>= 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w);          \
+    %:version-compare(!> 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
+    %:version-compare(>= 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w);          \
    shared-libgcc|fexceptions|fobjc-exceptions|fgnu-runtime:          \
     %:version-compare(!> 10.11 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.1.1)      \
     %:version-compare(>= 10.11 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w)          \
     %:version-compare(!> 10.3.9 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
     %:version-compare(>< 10.3.9 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.4)   \
-    %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.5);      \
+    %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.5);      \
    : -lemutls_w                                  \
   } -lgcc "
 
@@ -480,8 +480,8 @@
 
 #define DARWIN_CRT1_SPEC                        \
   "%:version-compare(!> 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.o)        \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.5.o)    \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.6 10.8 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.6.o)    \
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.5.o)    \
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.7 10.8 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.6.o)    \
    %{fgnu-tm: -lcrttms.o}"
 
 #define DARWIN_CRT2_SPEC ""
@@ -496,10 +496,10 @@
 
 #define DARWIN_DYLIB1_SPEC                        \
   "%:version-compare(!> 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.o)        \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.10.5.o)"
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.10.5.o)"
 
 #define DARWIN_BUNDLE1_SPEC \
-"%{!static:%:version-compare(< 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lbundle1.o)    \
+"%{!static:%:version-compare(< 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lbundle1.o)    \
        %{fgnu-tm: -lcrttms.o}}"
 
 #ifdef HAVE_AS_MMACOSX_VERSION_MIN_OPTION

Once built, it can be installed into 10A190. This option has a very limited testing so far.

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

B S Magnet said:
It already has some support in a Snow Leopard PowerPC setting. I’ve covered some of this in earlier posts, in which I’m able to successfully grab YT links as MP4s in Build 10A96.

AFAIK the only issue is that FFplay is broken on Snow Leopard, and that applies to both PowerPC and Intel.

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

barracuda156 said:

If you use 10A190 with Xcode from 10A190, you may follow steps here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-6-powerpc-10a190-and-10-6-8-rosetta.2332711/
(10A96 is broken at the moment, at least with Macports.)

P. S. Alternatively, if you prefer building without Macports, you can bootstrap gcc10ppc from here on 10.6.8 Rosetta against 10A190 SDK:

GitHub - iains/gcc-10-branch at gcc-10-3-ppc

[April 2021] 10.3 plus Darwin additions, initial 10.3 Arm64. - GitHub - iains/gcc-10-branch at gcc-10-3-ppc

github.com

You will need to use this patch:

Code:

--- /Users/svacchanda/darwin.h    2022-01-30 15:16:32.000000000 +0800
+++ /Users/svacchanda/gcc-10-branch/gcc/config/darwin.h    2022-01-30 02:12:29.000000000 +0800
@@ -202,7 +202,7 @@
 */
 
 #define DARWIN_NOCOMPACT_UNWIND \
-" %:version-compare(>= 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -no_compact_unwind) "
+" %:version-compare(>= 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -no_compact_unwind) "
 
 /* In Darwin linker specs we can put -lcrt0.o and ld will search the library
    path for crt0.o or -lcrtx.a and it will search for for libcrtx.a.  As for
@@ -437,14 +437,14 @@
 #undef REAL_LIBGCC_SPEC
 #define REAL_LIBGCC_SPEC \
 "%{static-libgcc|static:                          \
-    %:version-compare(!> 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
-    %:version-compare(>= 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w);          \
+    %:version-compare(!> 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
+    %:version-compare(>= 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w);          \
    shared-libgcc|fexceptions|fobjc-exceptions|fgnu-runtime:          \
     %:version-compare(!> 10.11 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.1.1)      \
     %:version-compare(>= 10.11 mmacosx-version-min= -lemutls_w)          \
     %:version-compare(!> 10.3.9 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_eh)          \
     %:version-compare(>< 10.3.9 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.4)   \
-    %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.5);      \
+    %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lgcc_s.10.5);      \
    : -lemutls_w                                  \
   } -lgcc "
 
@@ -480,8 +480,8 @@
 
 #define DARWIN_CRT1_SPEC                        \
   "%:version-compare(!> 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.o)        \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.5.o)    \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.6 10.8 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.6.o)    \
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.5.o)    \
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.7 10.8 mmacosx-version-min= -lcrt1.10.6.o)    \
    %{fgnu-tm: -lcrttms.o}"
 
 #define DARWIN_CRT2_SPEC ""
@@ -496,10 +496,10 @@
 
 #define DARWIN_DYLIB1_SPEC                        \
   "%:version-compare(!> 10.5 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.o)        \
-   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.10.5.o)"
+   %:version-compare(>< 10.5 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -ldylib1.10.5.o)"
 
 #define DARWIN_BUNDLE1_SPEC \
-"%{!static:%:version-compare(< 10.6 mmacosx-version-min= -lbundle1.o)    \
+"%{!static:%:version-compare(< 10.7 mmacosx-version-min= -lbundle1.o)    \
        %{fgnu-tm: -lcrttms.o}}"
 
 #ifdef HAVE_AS_MMACOSX_VERSION_MIN_OPTION

Once built, it can be installed into 10A190. This option has a very limited testing so far.

Thanks, I will use Xcode only without MacPorts to keep the build system consistent. I Will look into the other methods you have told me about as well.

barracuda156 · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
Thanks, I will use Xcode only without MacPorts to keep the build system consistent. I Will look into the other methods you have told me about as well.

As of now, my attempts to build gcc10 natively on 10A190 failed outside of Macports. Macports build has been fixed recently, thanks to gcc10-bootstrap port. (Of course once you have compiler built, you can use it without Macports.)

If anyone manages to fix building gcc10 on 10A190 without an aid of Macports, that would be great. Myself I don’t plan to work on that however, since I don’t see any additional benefit in having that done (macports-gcc-10 = gcc10).

barracuda156 · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
AFAIK the only issue is that FFplay is broken on Snow Leopard, and that applies to both PowerPC and Intel.

Why though? I did not find FFPlay port on Macports, is it embedded into ffmpeg or how to build and test it?

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

barracuda156 said:
Why though? I did not find FFPlay port on Macports, is it embedded into ffmpeg or how to build and test it?

FFplay is enabled with a build option in the FFmpeg configure script. I always have built FFmpeg myself without MacPorts being involved into its own self contained prefix for PPCMC 7 as I'm also targeting Panther for it.

Something about building SDL 2.0.3 on Tiger makes it not work on Snow Leopard. It does work on Leopard though.

mectojic · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
The next update is going to be a snow Leopard esque release. For example it will be in the realm of 400MBs smaller as I figured out I can just remove git and compile a more up to date info-zip that can extract the yt-dlp release downloaded by curl. The built in unzip command in Mac OS X is too old to unzip it successfully. This will double as the fix for the updater in the Intel edition.

CDRDAO will be reverted to v1.2.1 as 1.2.4 is not working correctly.

That’s awesome! I might be able to just squeeze it onto my 3GB Clamshell if it’s a smaller size

barracuda156 · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
FFplay is enabled with a build option in the FFmpeg configure script. I always have built FFmpeg myself without MacPorts being involved into its own self contained prefix for PPCMC 7 as I'm also targeting Panther for it.

Something about building SDL 2.0.3 on Tiger makes it not work on Snow Leopard. It does work on Leopard though.

I have libsdl2 @2.0.9_0+x11 on 10.6 PPC. Will check if FFPlay can be enabled.

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

mectojic said:
That’s awesome! I might be able to just squeeze it onto my 3GB Clamshell if it’s a smaller size

Me and you both. I have been symlinking it to /Applications/PPCMC7.app for a while now (actual app on a USB).

mectojic · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
Me and you both. I have been symlinking it to /Applications/PPCMC7.app for a while now (actual app on a USB).

There's always a use-case for smaller files!

alex_free · Mar 31, 2022

mectojic said:
There's always a use-case for smaller files!

I am all about it. The reason PPCMC7 is currently soo big is mostly caused by 2 things. The FFmpeg/FFplay/FFprobe are static fat binaries for arch ppc, arch ppc 750, arch ppc 7400, and arch ppc7450 in the ppc version releases. Also git is just a massive tool at around 400MBs stripped.

I now know that we can extract youtube-dlp and run the main python script directly and uncompressed without git. A modern unzip utility can extract a compressed YouTube-dlp binary to achieve the same result of a git clone of the repo without soo much extra data or a slow update speed. This option was not in the raspberry PI script I "stole" this from for faster execution and optimization reasons.

B S Magnet · Mar 31, 2022

alex_free said:
AFAIK the only issue is that FFplay is broken on Snow Leopard, and that applies to both PowerPC and Intel.

Another thing to hold in consideration:

SL-PPC in most hardware environments (i.e., all the non-PCIe models) can’t really use VLC for playback, as doing so requires hardware Core Image and Quartz Extreme support. I have never tried FFplay, but if it draws from the same libraries, then it will have problems, too.

On an upside, however, playing mp4 videos in a SL-PPC environment using QuickTime for Leopard 7.7.0 does work pretty well. At least with a 1.67GHz PowerBook, I know I can watch SD MP4s without too much trouble. I don’t know why QT 7.7.0 works when VLC does not, as I’m sure their respective libraries draw from the same basic codec standards.

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