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1132x640 & Taller Screen Not Happening
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Oh ok, my bad. I still don't get the 1 pixel away thing, but I suppose you have a point with 1366x768. TVs with that resolution used some serious scaling to make video look acceptable though, so I wonder how that will work. That sounds like the devotion of a lot of resources, or in other words, maybe not the best screen resolution choice to me.
Also, wouldn't the point of going 16:9 be to play 16:9 content, and if so, shouldn't the screen adhere to a standard resolution, like 1280x720 or 1920x1080? 1:1 pixel mapping has always been a big deal in TV.
Won't bars exist in almost all content, rather than less content? All media content, surely. As I mentioned in the OP, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9 and 21:9 media will all have bars, none will fit perfectly. A line of pixels will remain black even for 16:9.
Apple changing the 30-pin connector now makes sense. When it first came out, devices were much larger, and having been around for over a decade, it's run its course. I just think that if it were my choice to change resolution, I would have a larger, more future-proofed change than adding a few pixels on top.
I don't think the taller screen would "feel" like more real estate. When browsing, it'd be longer, as in, I'd see more Google results etc., but the actual text would remain the same size, essentially making it feel the same. Same goes for almost everything, except 16:9 video, which would be the only application to utilize the screen well. Is that really a big priority for people? Do you people use your phones for video that much?
Also, wouldn't the point of going 16:9 be to play 16:9 content, and if so, shouldn't the screen adhere to a standard resolution, like 1280x720 or 1920x1080? 1:1 pixel mapping has always been a big deal in TV.
Won't bars exist in almost all content, rather than less content? All media content, surely. As I mentioned in the OP, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9 and 21:9 media will all have bars, none will fit perfectly. A line of pixels will remain black even for 16:9.
Apple changing the 30-pin connector now makes sense. When it first came out, devices were much larger, and having been around for over a decade, it's run its course. I just think that if it were my choice to change resolution, I would have a larger, more future-proofed change than adding a few pixels on top.
I don't think the taller screen would "feel" like more real estate. When browsing, it'd be longer, as in, I'd see more Google results etc., but the actual text would remain the same size, essentially making it feel the same. Same goes for almost everything, except 16:9 video, which would be the only application to utilize the screen well. Is that really a big priority for people? Do you people use your phones for video that much?
Since most content will be in other resolutions anyway, so the iphone will need to scale the content, it might as well scale it at exactly the native resolution, screwing up the aspect ratio ever so slightly.
Apple already does. What do you think happens to content played back at different resolutions today? It's scaled. Nothing is really changing in that area.
Most content is moving to a 16:9 format. On today's 3:2 aspect ratio, that means lots of bars. If Apple moves to a 16:9 format, it means more often the content will fit the screen almost perfectly (1 row of black or missing pixels is hardly worth mentioning).
Let's be clear though, I think to Apple, keeping the 640 lines is important for the app development side of things which trumps moving to some unnecessary broadcasting standard like 720P. 720P on a 4" device is meaningless. It's clear the current iPhone already has the power to scale, so the new model will have no issues in that arena. Any loss in fidelity due to scaling is not noticeable at 4". Hell, it's barely notceable at 32".
I don't disagree. I personally would have been fine if they left it alone. I'm just playing "Apple's advocate" here and explaining what I think will be presented tomorrow. That the iPhone is a media device and moving to a 16:9 format will be more media friendly.
Whatever...I'll just accept it and buy it anyway.
So why even try to go 16:9? Either they go 16:9 properly, or not. This in-between solution is weird. 1280x720 would have been a good choice if 16:9 was a must, higher PPI too.
That's a little weird though isn't it? When do you see a line of black pixels when looking at media? It's not even like a bar on both sides, just 1 line. Perhaps its like you're not saying, not that noticeable, but still strange.
Yeah, I'll probably be getting it too; it'll be between the new iPhone and the Note 2 for me.
If the screen/resolution rumour is true, it'd be a bit of a departure from the way they've done things (obsessed with aesthetics, trying not to compromise etc.).
That's a little weird though isn't it? When do you see a line of black pixels when looking at media? It's not even like a bar on both sides, just 1 line. Perhaps its like you're not saying, not that noticeable, but still strange.
Yeah, I'll probably be getting it too; it'll be between the new iPhone and the Note 2 for me.
If the screen/resolution rumour is true, it'd be a bit of a departure from the way they've done things (obsessed with aesthetics, trying not to compromise etc.).
I... Agree. I wanted a 1280x720 resolution as well.
The problem is, Apple is getting really encumbered by backwards compatibility. Ironic really, because one of its strengths in the desktops/laptops was/is their willingness to drop stuff and break backwards compatibility for the sake of progress.
On the iphone however they are really scared of breaking things too much for developers. A lot of apps that are 2d and pixel perfect, rely on that 640px width to display properly. The workaround would be to have black bars on *all* sides for old Apps until/if they are updated, but I guess Apple thought that would look too wonky and not worth it.
In short, they are afraid of scaring away developers, since, arguably, the biggest strength of iOS is its App ecosystem.
1280x720 would have been more difficult for developers to adjust to.
1136x640 is far easier. most non-game apps will work with a slight tweak.
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Well, I don't think devs will be too happy about 1136px, since they'll have to redesign their new apps, and they'll have to fit Apple's strict UI guidelines.
IMO might as well go with 1280x720, with scaling for legacy apps , and all news apps will change anyway... a clean break and upgrade.
I guess its a difficult position eh? The iPhone isn't much without its apps, and there's strong demand for a larger screen, but if they keep the resolution the same while increasing size, people would complain.
IMO might as well go with 1280x720, with scaling for legacy apps , and all news apps will change anyway... a clean break and upgrade.
I guess its a difficult position eh? The iPhone isn't much without its apps, and there's strong demand for a larger screen, but if they keep the resolution the same while increasing size, people would complain.
Arn, going to be part of the can't sleep crowd?
Devs are used to changing from time to time, but Apple has always made the change as easy on them as possible by doubling the pixels or in this case, only extending in one direction. And if they don't update, thin black bars on top and bottom or each side....not that bad really.
I guarantee you Apple had the same discussion we're having here and what we are getting is what they felt was the best solution and would fit the biggest requirements (can't make everyone happy or be 100% perfect...but get as close as you can). Our "thinking" 720 would have been better is really beside the point isn't it? Apple knows what fits their needs better. The devs and customers decide if they wanna play ball with Apple or go somewhere else.
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Again, I agree. They are causing more work for the developers anyway, so they might as well go all the way.
As a sidenote, the UI Guidelines for apps are not strict at all.
As mentioned, a taller screen means more text in email. More subject line previews at a glance. Less flicks to scroll a web page. More room for less intrusive notifications. More space for virtual buttons in apps. More information in the task bar and maybe even interactive icons with direct links to settings. A bigger clock. The list goes on.
I live in a small rectangular apartment in NYC. If I woke up tomorow and my living room was 1/5th longer, I could find LOTS of ways to use that space.
I live in a small rectangular apartment in NYC. If I woke up tomorow and my living room was 1/5th longer, I could find LOTS of ways to use that space.
Well, Apple so far has scaled everything by a 2X factor to simplify app compatibility, developer effort, etc., it just happen to be a great design choice that solved multiple problems.
So now they in a position where they've made so much noise over the 326PPI iPhone display, and they didn't want to compromise that with a display size increase. Another simple multiplier wasn't in the cards because it would drive the display to an unnecessary resolution (requiring more power, stouter GPU).
This gets them a larger display, with some apps needing little-to-no changes to use the additional pixels, they get to a more "standard" display A/R, and minimize developer effort. I'd say a design choice that nets positive results and reduces app fragmentation is overall a good decision.
Since I ditched Cable TV I've been using my iPhone to watch all my tv shows (iTunes videos and Netflix). So yes- I use my phone quite regularly for video. lol
Yikes! I use my iPad to watch programs while lying in bed. Can't imagine using my iPhone.
Yikes! I use my iPad to watch programs while lying in bed. Can't imagine using my iPhone.
I use an iPod shuffle!
Just want to say that everyone who thinks this isnt the new iphone, is a fool. Quote this post tonight.youre welcome.
Ok, you need sleep!
Yeah, I'm getting a little loopy ...
I'm drinking some Jack Honey, reading a bunch of Apple rumor sites and writing some code ... woooOOOoOoOO!
Yikes! I use my iPad to watch programs while lying in bed. Can't imagine using my iPhone.
It works perfectly well. The screen is plenty big enough for me (not saying that "true" 16:9 a/r wouldn't be appreciated though ;D).
Thank. You. Someone who isn't braindead (no offense to OP or anyone). But come on...
