12-Inch MacBook Now Available in Apple Retail Stores via Personal Pickup

[Keirasplace]

2 ports would do. But honestly, I'd probably not use more than one port. Also, SD card slot missing, but no big deal.

I personally feel it's slightly limiting in speed (for games) and overpriced. It's basically a fancy iPad with a keyboard (in a usage sense). I am being unfair about the trackpad not counted. There is slowness in the UI. Isnt' the processor the same as an iPad?

Again, I'd consider, if I had real work or gaming to do, but a Chromebooks suffices at $200.

No, the procesor is not the same as an Ipad; Good grief!
You're totally misinformed which is reflected in your whole comments like : "Slowness in the UI"! Huh, what!
That you even mention Chromebooks means your as far from the target market as can be.
Chromebooks are worth it only if you dump everything Google on it and put no strings Unix on it....

 

[Keirasplace]

I'm sure it is fine for you. Fine for a lot of people.

Issues are with 1 port, keyboard, price


Everything. Except trackpad which is great. Keyboard, memory, price, 1 port, speed, feels like a beta.

I'm sure it will get better and I may still consider one.

Things you seemingly are just pulling out of the air, since from your comments you haven't really used one.

 

[Cole Slaw]

"[...]The customer satisfaction is off the charts on it. Customer demand is great." -Phil Schiller about the new Macbook in interview with John Gruber.

And here is what he said about device thinness:
"If you want a product that's thicker with a bigger battery, well, it's also heavier, it's also more costly, it also takes longer to charge. It's also... y'know, there are... all these things have ramifications [when] designing a total system.

And we look at this very, very, very carefully. The engineering team and the industrial design team work together and model every thickness and every size and every weight and we hold these things, and we work with them, to discover what the feature benefit/tradeoffs are.

And I don't think we've hit the point yet where we're trading off thinness for features and capabilities at the expense of the best optimized product. I really don't.

I love my new 12-inch MacBook. I think it's an incredible product. I use it constantly, and I love how thin and light that feels. And I love the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, and I think we've made great choices there."

I guess the most important thing in all this is that Phil Schiller is happy with it.

 

[Dayv]

Isnt' the processor the same as an iPad?

Congratulations! You don't have a clue what you're talking about!

 

[JDHiro]

I think very few users of small laptops are hooking them up to 4k displays. But the Macbook do support 4k. And very few Mac notebooks from before 2015 supports 4k displays.

It seems that everyone who don´t like the computer can´t even run Word on it without performance problems. Those who do like it can run virtual machines, graphic programs, games without much issue. Strange.

In all fairness, my family is using 4K displays because I'm making them do it as they upgrade systems =) I just helped my dad upgrade from an old Dell to a 5K iMac. He loves it!

Having owned a MacBook for a week, I'm having a really hard time buying that somebody is running VMs on it in any way that really matters.

 

[zhenya]

In all fairness, my family is using 4K displays because I'm making them do it as they upgrade systems =) I just helped my dad upgrade from an old Dell to a 5K iMac. He loves it!

Having owned a MacBook for a week, I'm having a really hard time buying that somebody is running VMs on it in any way that really matters.

Why? VM's are much more affected by disk speed and RAM than raw processor speed. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to run a VM or two just fine on the rMB.

 

[RUGGLES99]

I'm hopefully gonna take a shot at picking up an open box base gold at best buy today using my 10% off coupon, giving me a 20% discount plus tax, so $1040 plus tax. I'll have 14 days to play with it and see what all the fuss is about. If it serves my needs, i'll keep it, otherwise return it. I'll still have my trusty 2014 base 11" mba.

 

[inhalexhale1]

Size, footprint, weight, no movable parts, makes no sound.

Ah, yes. Because the MacBook Pro is so loud.

 

[kungpaaao]

Congratulations! You don't have a clue what you're talking about!

Performance-wise, the iPad and Macbook for everyday use: http://www.macworld.co.uk/review/mac-laptops/new-12-inch-macbook-vs-ipad-air-2-3605589/

The Macbook processor is about as slow as a 2011 MacBook Air.

 

[kungpaaao]

Things you seemingly are just pulling out of the air, since from your comments you haven't really used one.

I've used one. I already said more than once I've considered getting one. Once the price goes down and performance up.

This machine remind me of the first MacBook Air. It was going for $1799 (January 2008). Now they are half that price.

Main point is all of the compromises add up. And they keyboard is not as easy to use as standard keyboard.

 

[kungpaaao]

No, the procesor is not the same as an Ipad; Good grief!
You're totally misinformed which is reflected in your whole comments like : "Slowness in the UI"! Huh, what!
That you even mention Chromebooks means your as far from the target market as can be.
Chromebooks are worth it only if you dump everything Google on it and put no strings Unix on it....

Point is a lot of people would be better off to save their money and get a Chromebook, like the Toshiba CB 2 for under $300. Apple now wants too much money.

Of course, it depends on your needs. The price will come down, but I doubt they can fix the keyboard. That's an issue. Some people say it's like typing on glass. Well, in that case, get an iPad 2 and keyboard.

If you draw 3 circles and overlap them, one circle MacBook 2015, one iPad Air 2, and one Chromebook 2, you will find that there is a lot of overlap where the everyday user is not going to notice a difference too much in performance and everyday use. One is going to be all around better with apps (MacBook), but high price. One is going to be more flexible, but limited a bit (depending on user!) with the Air. And one is going to be app limited also (again, depending on user), but fine for everyday use.

If you can live with all of the compromises and high price of the MacBook, fine. There is a lot to like about it. Again, I'm personally on the fence about getting one at this time. It is a very sweet machine for its niche. Nothing can touch it. But you must admit it has compromises like anything in life. You have to personally have to choose the computer that is best for you. If the MacBook is best for you and you like it, great.

 

[kungpaaao]

No, the procesor is not the same as an Ipad; Good grief!
You're totally misinformed which is reflected in your whole comments like : "Slowness in the UI"! Huh, what!
That you even mention Chromebooks means your as far from the target market as can be.
Chromebooks are worth it only if you dump everything Google on it and put no strings Unix on it....

The hardware you use doesn't matter so much, such as using a Chromebook. Need MS OFfice? For most people get it software as a service on the web. Need Photoshop? https://edex.adobe.com/projectphotoshopstreaming

Also, you can install Linux on a Chromebook and have much more flexibility and not have to worry about Google if that concerns you.

 

[kungpaaao]

Apple I'm sure is aware that there is just as fast hardware and great screens on other computers that are a fraction of the cost of a MacBook. Sure, they don't run OS X. They don't provide that experience. But, at least MS is aware and the Cloudbooks are coming out. I wouldn't touch one of them with a 10 foot pole, but other people will and I'm sure it will work fine for a lot of people. With that said, there's no reason to use an MS Cloudbook. 99% of the time people should go Mac or Chrome.

 

[Keirasplace]

Point is a lot of people would be better off to save their money and get a Chromebook, like the Toshiba CB 2 for under $300. Apple now wants too much money.

Of course, it depends on your needs. The price will come down, but I doubt they can fix the keyboard. That's an issue. Some people say it's like typing on glass. Well, in that case, get an iPad 2 and keyboard.

If you draw 3 circles and overlap them, one circle MacBook 2015, one iPad Air 2, and one Chromebook 2, you will find that there is a lot of overlap where the everyday user is not going to notice a difference too much in performance and everyday use. One is going to be all around better with apps (MacBook), but high price. One is going to be more flexible, but limited a bit (depending on user!) with the Air. And one is going to be app limited also (again, depending on user), but fine for everyday use.

If you can live with all of the compromises and high price of the MacBook, fine. There is a lot to like about it. Again, I'm personally on the fence about getting one at this time. It is a very sweet machine for its niche. Nothing can touch it. But you must admit it has compromises like anything in life. You have to personally have to choose the computer that is best for you. If the MacBook is best for you and you like it, great.

The point is you're credibility is shot; I can't believe one thing you say. The fact you claimed that have looked for one, used one, and not even know what the hell processor was is in it PROVES THAT. That you put chromebooks in the same paragraph is even more crazy.

Chromebooks are half way decent (build quality and ergonomics abysmal) only if you don'T mind being a slave to google or strips everything Google out of it and put Unix on it. I'Ve actually done that, so you can move on "instructing me" about Chromebooks.

 

[lowendlinux]

The point is you're credibility is shot; I can't believe one thing you say. The fact you claimed that have looked for one, used one, and not even know what the hell processor was is in it PROVES THAT. That you put chromebooks in the same paragraph is even more crazy.

Chromebooks are half way decent (build quality and ergonomics abysmal) only if you don'T mind being a slave to google or strips everything Google out of it and put Unix on it. I'Ve actually done that, so you can move on "instructing me" about Chromebooks.

uname -a with scrot or it didn't happen and without those he can instruct you

 

[zhenya]

Point is a lot of people would be better off to save their money and get a Chromebook, like the Toshiba CB 2 for under $300. Apple now wants too much money.

Of course, it depends on your needs. The price will come down, but I doubt they can fix the keyboard. That's an issue. Some people say it's like typing on glass. Well, in that case, get an iPad 2 and keyboard.

If you draw 3 circles and overlap them, one circle MacBook 2015, one iPad Air 2, and one Chromebook 2, you will find that there is a lot of overlap where the everyday user is not going to notice a difference too much in performance and everyday use. One is going to be all around better with apps (MacBook), but high price. One is going to be more flexible, but limited a bit (depending on user!) with the Air. And one is going to be app limited also (again, depending on user), but fine for everyday use.

If you can live with all of the compromises and high price of the MacBook, fine. There is a lot to like about it. Again, I'm personally on the fence about getting one at this time. It is a very sweet machine for its niche. Nothing can touch it. But you must admit it has compromises like anything in life. You have to personally have to choose the computer that is best for you. If the MacBook is best for you and you like it, great.

No, a Macbook is nothing at all like a Chromebook since it is a 100% full laptop running OS X just like every other Mac made.

The keyboard is actually very good. I've said this many times before here. I am really picky about my keyboards, my main keyboard at work is a customized Happy Hacking Pro, and I have a couple of other expensive mechanical boards as well. I've used Thinkpads for years because I think they have the best keyboards available on a laptop. Regular Apple keyboards are ok, but not great. Yes, I'd prefer a bit more travel with the Macbook, but for the type of device, the keyboard is fantastic - much better than anything else on the market because there is no play in the keys, crisp activation, and no light-bleed from the backlighting. I am a regular competitor at typeracer.com where I am ranked in the 98th percentile after thousands of races, and I have set personal bests on a number of quotes there on the Macbook's keyboard. It's a non-issue.

You are the case-study that I warned about earlier in this thread; making all sorts of grand claims about the deficiencies of the Macbook that you have done nothing more than try out in the store and watch some video reviews.

 

[kungpaaao]

That's good to hear about the keyboard. Some will like it some won't. Which is fine. People should buy what they like. To each his own.

 

[kungpaaao]

The point is you're credibility is shot; I can't believe one thing you say. The fact you claimed that have looked for one, used one, and not even know what the hell processor was is in it PROVES THAT. That you put chromebooks in the same paragraph is even more crazy.

Chromebooks are half way decent (build quality and ergonomics abysmal) only if you don'T mind being a slave to google or strips everything Google out of it and put Unix on it. I'Ve actually done that, so you can move on "instructing me" about Chromebooks.

Ok, cool. I think the point was missed in the article I posted. From many users perspective, many could use either and iPad or and Chromebook or a MacBook (or even a PC - although I don't recommend Windows) and it will cover their needs.

No, each tool, each computer is different. They are not the same. But, a random average user could use all 3 and find that any one of them could suit their needs for many tasks.

Say you have a user who pretty much only uses web and Office product and maybe Photoshop. Maybe they don't want to or can't spend the big bucks. Either way, they may find that a ChromeBook fits the bills. They may also find that an iPad Air fits the bill. They will even find that the MacBook 2015 (or Air) fits the bill. For them, any of these tools will work and some have advantages and disadvantages over the other.

Also, for this particular user (and the comprise a lot of the population) will find that any of the processors will be just fine. For all intent and purposes, any of those 3 or 4 tools (computers) will work for them.

Think in terms of sets and subsets and overlap.

What is important is not the tool nor whether one is "better" than the other.

For myself, I could live with any computer and it will suit my needs. I will see than any of those 3 will have advantages.

That's the point.

 

[johngordon]

2 ports would do. But honestly, I'd probably not use more than one port. Also, SD card slot missing, but no big deal.

I personally feel it's slightly limiting in speed (for games) and overpriced. It's basically a fancy iPad with a keyboard (in a usage sense). I am being unfair about the trackpad not counted. There is slowness in the UI. Isnt' the processor the same as an iPad?

Again, I'd consider, if I had real work or gaming to do, but a Chromebooks suffices at $200.

No - it's not "a fancy iPad". It's an actual laptop, just like the MBP, running OSX, and can be used for pretty much anything a typical user would want to use a computer for.

What slowness in the UI?

It's nothing like a Chromebook.

 

[johngordon]

I will only speak for myself and I'm sure its a great computer for everyday tasks. The keyboard could be an issue for some people, esp people who type a lot.

Have you even used the keyboard for any length of time? Whilst some people might not like it, especially at first, after even a short amount of time it was just as good as any ther keyboard to use.

You really do seem to be struggling to actually list anything that average users can't use it for.

Would you like to retract that comment?

 

[solaris]

Wish I was lucky enough to have an Apple Retail Store in the country...
Oh well!

 

[MH01]

The point is you're credibility is shot; I can't believe one thing you say. The fact you claimed that have looked for one, used one, and not even know what the hell processor was is in it PROVES THAT. That you put chromebooks in the same paragraph is even more crazy.

Chromebooks are half way decent (build quality and ergonomics abysmal) only if you don'T mind being a slave to google or strips everything Google out of it and put Unix on it. I'Ve actually done that, so you can move on "instructing me" about Chromebooks.

The irony of this post. I would love a credibility score against posters on here.

The point is you're credibility is shot; I can't believe one thing you say. The fact you claimed that have looked for one, used one, and not even know what the hell processor was is in it PROVES THAT. That you put chromebooks in the same paragraph is even more crazy.

Chromebooks are half way decent (build quality and ergonomics abysmal) only if you don'T mind being a slave to google or strips everything Google out of it and put Unix on it. I'Ve actually done that, so you can move on "instructing me" about Chromebooks.

Looking at hour posting history, do you just troll people and take cheap shots? Its so blatant. Chill a bit and maybe have constructive debates instead of telling everyone they are idiots. So much hate......

 

[MH01]

Going to pick one up in the retail store this week and give it a go for 2 weeks, best way to judge it.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

I had the privilege to use my friends retina macbook and although it won't replace my macbook pro retina 15 inch. I tried going back to my friends 11 inch Macbook air and i was horrified.

I used the rMB for 24 hours non-stop and I really did enjoy it. It was like a tablet killer. It was super light and was able to do all my light computer needs. It's the price that's the problem...if this was 800, i would buy it.

I really did enjoy my time more than i expected and I love that fact that USB-TYPE C can be charged with a portable battery pack.

 

[unplugme71]

I tried out the 13" rMBP in two iterations and sold them within a month. Really not that much faster than the 12" MP. 15" is another story.

I find that odd. The 13" should be multitudes faster than 12"