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In this article by WSJ which is apparently posted tomorrow (it's still the 2nd here). Although the article doesn't state much, it still says that
Apple has been working on an iPhone that is thinner and lighter with an improved eight-megapixel camera but details otherwise are unclear

WSJ has reported previously that the next iPhone will be thinner and lighter, and has not completely shot down the idea of a redesign, but also states that it would be difficult for Apple to redesign the device. They previously also said that the iPhone 4 design "fell out of favor" by the Apple execs.

My issue is, if the iPhone 4S is supposed to be exactly like the iPhone 4, then it won't be thinner and lighter like WSJ suggests. Apple is known to send controlled leaks to WSJ, for example the lack of a hardware upgrade in WWDC this year.

The hype for the next generation iPhone is immense, there's no denying that. So will Apple meet the hype, or fail to impress?

Just something to discuss within 1 Day 17 Hours and 10 Minutes.
 
In this article by WSJ which is apparently posted tomorrow (it's still the 2nd here). Although the article doesn't state much, it still says that

WSJ has reported previously that the next iPhone will be thinner and lighter, and has not completely shot down the idea of a redesign, but also states that it would be difficult for Apple to redesign the device.

My issue is, if the iPhone 4S is supposed to be exactly like the iPhone 4, then it won't be thinner and lighter like WSJ suggests. Apple is known to send controlled leaks to WSJ, for example the lack of a hardware upgrade in WWDC this year.

The hype for the next generation iPhone is immense, there's no denying that. So will Apple meet the hype, or fail to impress?

Just something to discuss within 1 Day 17 Hours and 10 Minutes.

There is an iPhone 5. Believe who you want to believe.
 
That's really the iPhone 6, apple always test a prototype for a year. So
In reality were are getting a year old design.
 
In this article by WSJ which is apparently posted tomorrow (it's still the 2nd here). Although the article doesn't state much, it still says that

WSJ has reported previously that the next iPhone will be thinner and lighter, and has not completely shot down the idea of a redesign, but also states that it would be difficult for Apple to redesign the device. They previously also said that the iPhone 4 design "fell out of favor" by the Apple execs.

My issue is, if the iPhone 4S is supposed to be exactly like the iPhone 4, then it won't be thinner and lighter like WSJ suggests. Apple is known to send controlled leaks to WSJ, for example the lack of a hardware upgrade in WWDC this year.

The hype for the next generation iPhone is immense, there's no denying that. So will Apple meet the hype, or fail to impress?

Just something to discuss within 1 Day 17 Hours and 10 Minutes.


Interesting... I know that WSJ is a source for controlled leaks from apple, but I doubt if every story that they publish about the iPhone is for that reason. With the release on Tuesday and tomorrow being the highest point of anticipation, it makes sense that every major news outlet writes some story to capitalize. They may just be referencing the information they revealed in previous posts, but who knows. Here's to hoping....
 
Doesn't sound like the WSJ knows anything. Of course Apple is working on a newer, thinner design. Probably several. Whether or not it will appear on Tuesday, though...
 
Aw damn, can't read the entire article because of the subscriber thing. Do you know what the whole article states?

It's actually weird, because the article lists the place of publication as San Francisco, but it's definitely not Oct 3 here in California.

This is what most reliable news sources are coming down to. They were told of a redesign by someone inside Apple, which is why they published those "rumors" or as they call it, "reports." But now, many rumor sites like MR and 9to5Mac are saying no 5, only 4S.

That has left them in doubt also. But that's a good thing. Because that means they haven't heard from Apple since. Which is extremely good news, since a) Apple wants this confusion going into its event, and b) this means that Apple hasn't shot down the iPhone 5 rumors.

Viva la iPhone 5!
 
why keep making the phone thinner? The iphone 4 is the perfect thickness, just cram as much of the newer thinner innards as you can!
 
Here's the full article:

IPhone 5 Risks Same Old Same Old

By GEOFFREY A. FOWLER

SAN FRANCISCO—Can the iPhone bring sexy back?

With more than 128 million iPhones sold since 2007, the device's ubiquity has created a marketing and design challenge for Apple Inc.: how to wow consumers in a maturing smartphone market where many alternatives now look and feel like Apple's gadget.

That's a challenge Apple will have to address Tuesday, when the company is widely expected to unveil a fifth-generation iPhone.

Apple has been working on an iPhone that is thinner and lighter with an improved eight-megapixel camera but details otherwise are unclear.

Now the question is, what features will be sufficient to dazzle consumers. For years, Apple has won converts in part because of the freshness of the iPhone's design and software capabilities that didn't exist elsewhere.

The company now faces tougher competition from smartphones using Google Inc.'s Android software, which also feature full-screen touch displays and access to thousands of apps. Some phones even out-flank the current iPhone: Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc.'s Droid Bionic has an eight-megapixel camera and access to high-speed, fourth-generation wireless networks. Android accounts for 43% of the U.S. market for smartphone operating systems, while Apple has 28%, according to Nielsen Co.

Apple still is the biggest producer of smartphone handsets.

Some surveys have suggested that consumer demand remains strong for the iPhone, which was last refreshed in June 2010. A survey by ChangeWave Research in July found that 46% of consumers planning to buy smartphones in the next 90 days would choose an iPhone. Demand could be bolstered in the U.S. by the expected agreement by Sprint Nextel Corp., the country's third-largest mobile carrier by subscribers, to sell the handset.

Even though many consumers expect Apple to keep coming up with new designs, "there has to be a point where the expectations outrun the abilities," said analyst Roger Kay of Endpoint Technologies Associates.

Unlike in previous years when Chief Executive Steve Jobs unveiled a new iPhone model to a big audience in downtown San Francisco, Apple this time is holding a smaller gathering at its Cupertino, Calif., headquarters. Mr. Jobs resigned as CEO last month, succeeded by Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook.

Surprising people with design could be particularly tough for the iPhone 5.

"Industrial design is important, but in these small packages we are starting to bump into the laws of physics," said Tim Bajarin, a consultant with Creative Strategies Inc. "You aren't going to do anything that I would consider radical in design and still get this feature set and function."

Software is even more important now to differentiate the iPhone, Mr. Bajarin said.

Apple in 2009 upgraded its 3G model iPhone with a 3G S model by tweaking internal components and emphasizing software enhancements. The company wanted to signal to consumers that software is an important part of the phone's evolution, according to a person familiar with Apple's thinking.

But Apple also faces competition in smartphone software. Apple in June previewed the capabilities of its next-generation mobile operating system, including a messaging service called iMessage and wireless storage and music syncing through the iCloud service. Similar features already are offered elsewhere, including through Research In Motion Ltd.'s Blackberry and Amazon.com Inc.'s digital music store.

One potential trick up Apple's sleeve: software developed at Siri Inc., a start-up Apple bought last year that makes a voice-activated personal assistant, analysts said. Apple has kept mum about its plans for Siri.

Apple has conquered product fatigue before. The company's iPods in 2001 revolutionized the way people listened to music. By 2004, when the iPod was in its third generation, Apple introduced a smaller version, the iPod Mini. In 2005 Apple reinvented the iPod again, introducing the even smaller Shuffle, with flash memory and no screen.

Apple's internal processes are set up to avoid incrementalism in its products, the person familiar with Apple's thinking said. The company doesn't interview consumers about what they want in the next generation of products; instead, Apple challenges its designers to come up with dramatic visions for what products can do.

Some designs have missed the mark. The Power Mac G4 Cube personal computer that Apple unveiled in 2001 featured an unusual square design. But many models developed cracks in their cases. Later that year, Apple said the product would be put "on ice."

Jeremiah Warren, a 19-year-old filmmaking student in Dallas, said he plans to upgrade his iPhone as soon as the new one becomes available.

"Apple has caught me with the 'magic' of the phone, not the technical specs," he said.

But some other gadget lovers will wait and see. "Most of my friends roll their eyes about the constant upgrades they feel pressured to spend money on," said Guy Burns, a 41-year-old designer in San Francisco, who has no immediate plans to upgrade.
 
Pink∆Floyd;13447868 said:
The iPhone 4 doesn't have the perfect thickness yet...it needs a better ergonomic design, which is the upcoming iPhone 5

I'm not that concerned about making it that much thinner, that's not the point.
It needs to increase the screen size IMO, and that could allow for more space if they make the phone longer and wider. 4inch screen is the sweet spot. Keep the same thickness, I don't really care.
I'm shooting for an iPad 2-like design with a 4inch screen.
 
why keep making the phone thinner? The iphone 4 is the perfect thickness, just cram as much of the newer thinner innards as you can!

It's the "perfect thickness" until one of the new Android phones come out with a thinner and sleeker profile. Then everyone will complain that it is an outdated design.

That said, apple top two priorities in design are to make products that are aesthetically pleasing but more importantly, that WORK. They wouldn't sacrifice function in a new iPhone just to fit it into a thinner housing, that's not their way.

Hopefully they figured out how to do that and will show us what they've been keeping secret for the last 15 months...
 
I actually prefer it to have more battery material instead of less in order to achieve a thinner profile.
 
What's interesting is how size eventually won't drive the competition between phones. They'll eventually make a phone that fits all the components, has no bezel, and is as thin as the screen can be. Where do you go from there? You can't keep making the phone smaller since clearly people aren't wanting a screen that's anything less then 3.5" so is software going to be the thing that matters down the road?

Apple probably has a good long term strategy to evolve their phones in that they come up with software ideas and let hardware be formed around that. It kinda keeps their stride longer then googles in an innovation sense, and google obviously takes more shorter steps. It is pretty easy to add a bit of width and length on a screen and call that innovation, but it's probably good for everyone in the end.
 
You can get past most paywalls by simply copy and pasting the article headline in Google. It worked for me in this article.

I think the headline says it all. Despite what some MR members refute, the iPhone design is getting old (and yes, I'm aware of current iP4 and 3GS sales). It's time for a larger screen. A product redesign. Nothing drastic, but at the very least bump that screen up to 4".

I don't expect this to happen next Tuesday but I hope it will. I'll go Android in fall of 2012 if Apple has the stones to simply give us the same form factor yet again next year.
 
In this article by WSJ which is apparently posted tomorrow (it's still the 2nd here). Although the article doesn't state much, it still says that

WSJ has reported previously that the next iPhone will be thinner and lighter, and has not completely shot down the idea of a redesign, but also states that it would be difficult for Apple to redesign the device. They previously also said that the iPhone 4 design "fell out of favor" by the Apple execs.

My issue is, if the iPhone 4S is supposed to be exactly like the iPhone 4, then it won't be thinner and lighter like WSJ suggests. Apple is known to send controlled leaks to WSJ, for example the lack of a hardware upgrade in WWDC this year.

The hype for the next generation iPhone is immense, there's no denying that. So will Apple meet the hype, or fail to impress?

Just something to discuss within 1 Day 17 Hours and 10 Minutes.

Then that settles it. The iPhone 5 is real.
 
Remember the matte back that people thought that the 3GS was going to get? Then it ended up still looking the exact same as the 3G with the exception of chrome letters.

Then people STILL lined up three nights before to get it. People don't care if its the same iPhone, people care if its an iPhone :)
 
WJS Suggests iPhone 5?

Well, the time has finally come. Wall Street Journal has suggested the existence iPhone 5 (link to the article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203791904576606891661918466.html). This next-gen iPhone can't be the 4S, because in the beta strings for iTunes 10.5, the avatar for the 4S had the same form factor as the 4. Ladies and Gentlemen, this pretty much settles it. Both the iPhone 5 and 4S will more than likely be unveiled together on Tuesday.

Sorry. I know that there are a few posts like this one, but I felt it was important enough to make my own post.
 
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Well, the time has finally come. Wall Street Journal has confirmed the iPhone 5 link to the article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203791904576606891661918466.html). This next-gen iPhone can't be the 4S, because in the beta strings for iTunes 10.5, the avatar for the 4S had the same form factor as the 4. Ladies and Gentlemen, this pretty much settles it. Both the iPhone 5 and 4S are being unveiled together on Tuesday.

Couldn't have posted this in one of the other threads?
 
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