I may buy, but foolish for a student do so as the entry level macbook air is very powerful for everyday needs as would a non-retina 15inch macbook pro for someone that needs a bit more graphical power or wants a larger screen.
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13-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Pricing to Start at Roughly $1699
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I may buy, but foolish for a student do so as the entry level macbook air is very powerful for everyday needs as would a non-retina 15inch macbook pro for someone that needs a bit more graphical power or wants a larger screen.
Not comparing the same!
People, you are not comparing Apples to Apples! The 13" not only will have a a retina display but also a SSD drive. This is not overpriced! There is also a difference in SSD drives! You can buy cheap piece of crap SSD drives or good ones. Apple is actually using the fastest SSD drives available in the 15" model.
People, you are not comparing Apples to Apples! The 13" not only will have a a retina display but also a SSD drive. This is not overpriced! There is also a difference in SSD drives! You can buy cheap piece of crap SSD drives or good ones. Apple is actually using the fastest SSD drives available in the 15" model.
No Guys I SAY NO!!! 
I can't accept to pay 1700 euros (I live in Italy and here money conversion are about 1:1 with dollars ) for a I5 DUAL CORE + integrated GPU or 2000 for an i7 still dual.
It's called macbook PRO but the only pro i's got is the price.
At least, quad core or d-gpu: price / specs ratio are not balanced on my opinion if these rumors are true.......
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I can't accept to pay 1700 euros (I live in Italy and here money conversion are about 1:1 with dollars
) for a I5 DUAL CORE + integrated GPU or 2000 for an i7 still dual. It's called macbook PRO but the only pro i's got is the price.
At least, quad core or d-gpu: price / specs ratio are not balanced on my opinion if these rumors are true.......
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Actually, yes, you can use that resolution. And, having seen the 15" using a non-native (or 1/4 native) resolution, the scaled versions *aren't* 'awkward' or a 'monstrosity'. It's amazing what a good scaling algorithm combined with sufficient resolution does to enable *good* scaling.
There is a wide difference in performance between SSD drives with equivalent differences in price. The fastest drives are still expensive.
Exactly. Few students need a CD or port. In any case, there is clear sales evidence that these are big on campus. Or just visit a campus...
Go into any grad or undergrad class and there are lots of MBAs. Ethernet connections are exceedingly rare - most schools are going with wifi coverage over wide areas and buildings. I own the dongle and never use it. I never use the optical drive.
Lots of iPads as well, though this is more for slide viewing or simple facebook type stuff and is not really being utilized in any systematic way yet.
A complete inability to read for content.
It isn't just the price speculation as this thread is flooded with people that think the specs and pics reference the unannounced 13" rMBP. I mean really people the article was so clear a quick skim should have clued you in.
All the belly aching about the processor and the GPU is also non sense as drivers make a big difference as would a new SKU from Intel with a different clock for the GPU. Or Apple could go with an AMD Trinity APU which would likely give very good on screen results. The fact is we don't know anything yet about the machine nor why it was delayed for so long. It is reasonable to assume they had to wait for one or more parts to become available but the mistake here is to assume it was the screen that was the hold up.
All I know is that this machine will be very interesting from the implementation standpoint when it is in fact released. It will be very interesting to see how all the goods where mixed and baked.
It isn't just the price speculation as this thread is flooded with people that think the specs and pics reference the unannounced 13" rMBP. I mean really people the article was so clear a quick skim should have clued you in.
All the belly aching about the processor and the GPU is also non sense as drivers make a big difference as would a new SKU from Intel with a different clock for the GPU. Or Apple could go with an AMD Trinity APU which would likely give very good on screen results. The fact is we don't know anything yet about the machine nor why it was delayed for so long. It is reasonable to assume they had to wait for one or more parts to become available but the mistake here is to assume it was the screen that was the hold up.
All I know is that this machine will be very interesting from the implementation standpoint when it is in fact released. It will be very interesting to see how all the goods where mixed and baked.
Sure. And in the case of the 15" rMBP the retina display commands a price of negative $200 compared to the similarly spec'd cMBP. That's a fact.
Your theories are reasonable, and I'm not claiming my view is definitely the right one. It just seems weird to rely on theories when we have evidence of how Apple is already pricing the retina 15" relative to its non-retina sibling.
The more I think about an RMP 13" which will no doubt have SSD. It really makes no sense what so ever? I would just save the cash and buy a 13" MB Air, much better value and more portable.
Actually come to think of it I would imagine the 13" RMBP will come with the same dual core processor as the Air does.
I still think the next 13" MBP was the one with the Nvidia chipset.
EDIT: I MISTYPED AND MEANT TO SAY IT WILL HAVE AN SSD.
Actually come to think of it I would imagine the 13" RMBP will come with the same dual core processor as the Air does.
I still think the next 13" MBP was the one with the Nvidia chipset.
EDIT: I MISTYPED AND MEANT TO SAY IT WILL HAVE AN SSD.
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You are correct. Apple is a marketing company.
Basically, criteria for performance is that 13" rMBP doesn't choke on facebook and iPhoto. Then it is a PRO machine.
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Of course it's going to have an SSD. All the rumors point to the same design as the "15 model in a smaller form factor. This means SSD.
Of course it will have an SSD! What makes you think it wouldn't have an SSD??? You would not get the Power Nap feature without it!
The ultimate goal is to get as much money out of the pockets of customers and to put that money into the bank accounts of the hedge funds.
Everything else, including making great products, is a means to that end.
No Guys I SAY NO!!!
I can't accept to pay 1700 euros (I live in Italy and here money conversion are about 1:1 with dollars
It's called macbook PRO but the only pro i's got is the price.
At least, quad core or d-gpu: price / specs ratio are not balanced on my opinion if these rumors are true.......
Sorry my friend. You can NOT do pro work on a baby 13" screen. So pro is just description of aluminum build quality.
And the price is a bargain for best 13" notebook ever for general surfing use.
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$500 might seem like a lot...
But I have to assume that the new 13 inch RMBP will also have at the very least a dedicated video card to drive that display and possibly flash storage.
I think there is a big market for this if true as it would then become a very viable desktop replacement.
The only thing preventing me from getting a 13 in MBP in the past has been the lack of video card for high end photo and video editing. This would be a pretty sweet deal.
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I couldn't disagree with this more. It becomes the perfect solution for a mobile pro. Power on the road or on location...connect a monitor when you get back to the office. Nuff said.
But I have to assume that the new 13 inch RMBP will also have at the very least a dedicated video card to drive that display and possibly flash storage.
I think there is a big market for this if true as it would then become a very viable desktop replacement.
The only thing preventing me from getting a 13 in MBP in the past has been the lack of video card for high end photo and video editing. This would be a pretty sweet deal.
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I couldn't disagree with this more. It becomes the perfect solution for a mobile pro. Power on the road or on location...connect a monitor when you get back to the office. Nuff said.
These might be practical points, but empirically if you visit campuses you see MANY macbook airs or other computers without CD drives. Not a case for or against, but you see many of them. Similarly, few students use Ethernet at most campuses. Some do, most don't.
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... we have another person who thinks there's only *one* 'Pro' workload in the entire world...
My guess was $1799. So saying "roughly" $1699 might mean it is higher. Apple should show no mercy here and price that sucker at 2k because their user base consists of people with deep products or willing to put a lot on credit. Raise those iMac prices as well and get the higher margins. I am being serious, they will cough it up.
If it was priced correctly it would be around $1300 starting and work it's way up. Apple doesn't have to play by the PC rules which means big bucks for them. The 15" should be $1499-$1799, once you add in the $500 extra they charge for the logo you get the $2100 for that one.
Don't blame Apple one bit, the user base does this to themselves.
I am being serious, they will cough it up. If it was priced correctly it would be around $1300 starting and work it's way up. Apple doesn't have to play by the PC rules which means big bucks for them. The 15" should be $1499-$1799, once you add in the $500 extra they charge for the logo you get the $2100 for that one.
Don't blame Apple one bit, the user base does this to themselves.
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I'm calling a false rumor on this one.
There's no way Apple is dumb enough to price the 13" rMBP this high. I say THE MOST that the base 13" rMBP will cost is $1499 UNLESS it includes something that the 13" cMBP has, like a discrete GPU.
There's just no way this can be justified. The 13" panel will cost less than the 15" panel, the SDD will be the same so why the higher discrepancy in price? Again unless it has a discrete GPU.
One more thing: pricing an upper end 13" rMBP that much more than 15" cMBP is a marketing nightmare for Apple. It will pigeonhole consumers for the 13" rMBP, who will either go for the 13" rMBP to save money, or splurge a few hundred dollars extra for the 15" rMBP, for which you get the full "retina" experience. Plenty of people will refuse to pay more than $1500 for a 13" laptop, but few who are willing to pay $1800 for a 13" will refuse to pay $2200 for a 15" with a GPU, in my opinion.
There's no way Apple is dumb enough to price the 13" rMBP this high. I say THE MOST that the base 13" rMBP will cost is $1499 UNLESS it includes something that the 13" cMBP has, like a discrete GPU.
There's just no way this can be justified. The 13" panel will cost less than the 15" panel, the SDD will be the same so why the higher discrepancy in price? Again unless it has a discrete GPU.
One more thing: pricing an upper end 13" rMBP that much more than 15" cMBP is a marketing nightmare for Apple. It will pigeonhole consumers for the 13" rMBP, who will either go for the 13" rMBP to save money, or splurge a few hundred dollars extra for the 15" rMBP, for which you get the full "retina" experience. Plenty of people will refuse to pay more than $1500 for a 13" laptop, but few who are willing to pay $1800 for a 13" will refuse to pay $2200 for a 15" with a GPU, in my opinion.
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Sorry I beg to differ. My experience has been different. Still have a 10 year old Toshiba that works just fine and after a lot of abuse. I don't use it anymore though.
I recently got a Toshiba Tecra Core i7 with a docking station and its awesome for its lightweight and functionality.
BTW, lot of the components in your beloved Apple products are made by Toshiba.
I'm suspecting it'll have a discrete GPU. The sheer amount of internal space opened up by dropping the optical drive gives them plenty of room.
Of course, I actually still expect it to be priced starting at $1499, but that's just a guess based on the 'subliminals' of price-points. ($1499 is 'under $1500), $1699 is 'almost $2000!')