13" Macbook Pro Isn't A Pro

[Pocket lint]

In my opinion, no, it doesn't hold meaning.



Okay......that's fine.



I understand them perfectly fine; I just don't feel the need to classify everything as such.



You don't need to define them for me, I know what they are. I am just trying to get it through your skull THAT FOR ME, THEY HOLD NO MEANING. NEVER HAVE. THIS IS MY OPINION, OF WHICH I AM ENTITLED. GET IT?

So in my OPINION, this argument of what is "Pro" and what is not "Pro" is stale.

I get it:

Going from the claim that it holds no meaning, across to "we hold opposite views, thus our differing opinions are equally valid", you now resign to the defence, that "It doesn't matter how the rest of the world uses specific terms, because I choose to define them in my own personal way and try to peddle the notion that my personal view is equally as valid as how the rest of the world defines a term".

Thank you. I think we're done now.

 

[JonHimself]

It's really rather simple. Yes, the 13" MacBook Pro is a Pro. It clearly says so right on the bezel. Whether you consider it as such is a matter of your own personal opinion, which you are wasting your time if you want to convince everyone else otherwise...

Great point. That sums up how I feel, for what it's worth. The manufacturer considers it a part of their "Pro" line-up (definition not relevant). We all have different opinions which we will apparently argue endlessly which seems to be causing the problem (that and a little bit of trolling fanning the flames).

 

[polaris20]

I get it:

Going from the claim that it holds no meaning, across to "we hold opposite views, thus our differing opinions are equally valid", you now resign to the defence, that "It doesn't matter how the rest of the world uses specific terms, because I choose to define them in my own personal way and try to peddle the notion that my personal view is equally as valid as how the rest of the world defines a term".

Thank you. I think we're done now.

What part of "classifying hardware as "professional" means nothing to me" do you not understand?

I'm not defining anything. I don't dispute what professional or amateur means as a definition. I merely don't care how hardware (computer, photo, audio) is classified as such. Sorry you can't handle that.

Yeah, I think we're done here, as you simply can't acknowledge my lack of need to classify hardware as "professional", "consumer", "prosumer", etc. Am I missing any classifications?

Goddamn, you remind me of the people that absolutely have to classify what genre a band is.

 

[the1payday]

As far as the word "Pro" goes in terms of "professionals," then whether ANY computer is a "Pro" or not is up to that user. For example, a graphic designer could purchase a fully loaded 17" MBP and consider it the best machine on earth for its features. A dentist could purchase the same computer and not consider it a "Pro" machine for their needs of a lightweight and easily portable, small machine. For them, a 13" MBP, or even a $300 NetBook would be a more "Pro" machine for their usage in their given profession, because it's not about the naming scheme, it's about what fits the needs of said individual users. For me, my 13" MBP is a pro machine for MY PERSONAL usage, because of the features it gives, including it's weight, size, and portability. Everyone who is disagreeing that the 13 MBP is a true "Pro" machine, seems to be REALLY debating over the efficiency of the 9400M vs. the 9600M GT, which is only matters to certain fields of work, (design, gaming, etc...) Once again, the word "Pro" is going to differ vastly from user to user. That's my opinion anyways. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[JonHimself]

...Goddamn, you remind me of the people that absolutely have to classify what genre a band is.

On another note.. how hard is it to manage your iTunes library when you really care about that stuff? ... like when rock bands insist on incorporating rap or electronic music into their album? Or when a punk band becomes a rock band and then half of their catalogue is a different genre? Man, drives me up the wall.

 

[Pocket lint]

What part of "classifying hardware as "professional" means nothing to me" do you not understand?

I'm not defining anything. I don't dispute what professional or amateur means as a definition. I merely don't care how hardware (computer, photo, audio) is classified as such. Sorry you can't handle that.

Yeah, I think we're done here, as you simply can't acknowledge my lack of need to classify hardware as "professional", "consumer", "prosumer", etc. Am I missing any classifications?

Goddamn, you remind me of the people that absolutely have to classify what genre a band is.

I have the same need to classify certain things as most of the thinking world:

I need to be able to make the distinction between a lorry (truck), fork lifter, Coupé, sports car, SUV, 4X4, city bus, bikes, motorcycles, road trains, locomotives, trains, and roller skates, between a cargo plane, a jetfighter, a passenger jet, a helicopter, hang glider and a seaplane, not to mention between such vessels as a container ship, a dredger, a floating drilling platform, a passenger ship, a ferry, a sailboat, a dinghy, a motoryacht and a canoe.

They're all "vehicles", "vessels", and "aircrafts" respectively, yet it's pretty useful to be able to make the distinction between them, no?

 

[polaris20]

As far as the word "Pro" goes in terms of "professionals," then whether ANY computer is a "Pro" or not is up to that user. For example, a graphic designer could purchase a fully loaded 17" MBP and consider it the best machine on earth for its features. A dentist could purchase the same computer and not consider it a "Pro" machine for their needs of a lightweight and easily portable, small machine. For them, a 13" MBP, or even a $300 NetBook would be a more "Pro" machine for their usage in their given profession, because it's not about the naming scheme, it's about what fits the needs of said individual users. For me, my 13" MBP is a pro machine for MY PERSONAL usage, because of the features it gives, including it's weight, size, and portability. Everyone who is disagreeing that the 13 MBP is a true "Pro" machine, seems to be REALLY debating over the efficiency of the 9400M vs. the 9600M GT, which is only matters to certain fields of work, (design, gaming, etc...) Once again, the word "Pro" is going to differ vastly from user to user. That's my opinion anyways. Take it for what it's worth.

I agree, but others in this thread seem to think there are hard and fast rules for determining what is Pro, and what is consumer. It's like this in every field it seems, such as audio, where a "pro" piece of equipment isn't as good as a "regular" piece of equipment, or photography where a "pro" lens isn't as good as a "consumer" lens, etc.

It doesn't really matter what it is classified as, as long as it suits your needs to use it for employment (if you wish to use it "professionally")

I have the same need to classify certain things as most of the thinking world:

I need to be able to make the distinction between a lorry (truck), fork lifter, Coupé, sports car, SUV, 4X4, city bus, bikes, motorcycles, road trains, locomotives, trains, and roller skates, between a cargo plane, a jetfighter, a passenger jet, a helicopter, and a seaplane, not to mention between such vessels as a container ship, a dredger, a floating drilling platform, a passenger ship, a ferry, a sailboat, a dinghy, a motoryacht and a canoe.

They're all "vehicles", "vessels", and "aircrafts" respectively, yet it's pretty useful to be able to make the distinction between them, no?

ROFL, now you're really stretching. So now a glossy screen and lack of dedicated graphics is analogous to trucks and sports cars?

This is getting to be quite comical with you, really.

On another note.. how hard is it to manage your iTunes library when you really care about that stuff? ... like when rock bands insist on incorporating rap or electronic music into their album? Or when a punk band becomes a rock band and then half of their catalogue is a different genre? Man, drives me up the wall.

I don't waste my time with that, because, as I've noted here in this thread, I'm not hung up on classifications.

 

[Pocket lint]

ROFL, now you're really stretching. So now a glossy screen and lack of dedicated graphics is analogous to trucks and sports cars?

I am not stretching anything. I'm countering your ridiculous claim that it is an almost pathological "need" to classify things that makes the rest of the world use the term "professional" with all of its connotations, and the thinly veiled ad hominem put forth with that remark.

If you have already forgotten let me remind you that you resigned to insinuating it was something pathological that makes "people like [me]" have a need to classify "stuff".
I showed you how classification is not a pathological need, but rather a way of understanding the world and a way to navigate this world. Without classification we wouldn't even have a language.

Your argument was that since you don't have a "need" to classify things, it's irrelevant that the rest of the world has such a "need".

While such claims may sound perfectly fine in your head, there is a real need to be able to classify "stuff", no matter how much you're lacking the ability. My examples were just that: Examples of why classification is needed on a daily basis, no matter if you personally like classification or not. Hell, we could skip the three categories and go with "people movers" instead, even though that in itself would be a classification, because then we have "autonomous movers" and, say, "cattle movers" - yet another classification.

I'm amazed (not really, you're trolling) you now pretend that those examples have no bearing on your claims. You continue to move the goal posts whenever your pseudo argumentation is proven invalid.

This is getting to be quite comical with you, really.

The comical part is me continuing to argue against your ignorant and invalid pseudo argumentation.

I don't waste my time with that, because, as I've noted here in this thread, I'm not hung up on classifications.

We know. By that token, "people", "animals", "insects", and "rocks" are all the same thing. No need to classify them as different in any way, form or fashion.

 

[polaris20]

Pocket lint,

I'm going to say this one more time, perhaps you can understand it when it's not surrounded by so much other text:

I don't feel classifying computer, photo, audio, and video equipment as "professional", "prosumer", and "consumer" is valuable or relevant to me.

This has nothing to do with cars. This has nothing to do with insects. This has nothing to do with boats.

If you still cannot comprehend any of these, feel free to get one more word in. I know it's important to you.

 

[kainjow]

I think this thread has gone on long enough.