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13" Macbook Pro Isn't A Pro
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I agree. For some people, it doesn't matter what a machine says on the label, as long as they can complete their job, be it as a consumer or someone who makes money with it.
For others, classification is so terribly important that they must continually argue about it, which is ridiculous and pointless, since Apple is going to continue to label them as "Pro" whether we like it or not.
Unfortunately, I've seen all of those. This one needs to get the lock and all futire ones. Maybe they should just ban him.
The poll on his site or your own personal polls that you insist on force feeding down the forum member's throats?
You know shambo, I'm just confused why all of this matters.
So? That's what you think. I know you have voted that as I get the results, you don't need to go telling everyone what you voted...
But he does, it's why he's started this thread. He has to prove what a big man he is because he owns a real pro computer. He needs psychiatric help.
Not this thread again... will one more post solve this?...
If you make money with your computer it is a pro machine.
If you do not make money with your computer it is an amateur machine.
Could it be any plainer or simpler?
Therefor any computer can be both a pro and an amateur machine.
It all depends on the user.
Now, put away the rubber bands and paper clips and let everyone be happy.
If you make money with your computer it is a pro machine.
If you do not make money with your computer it is an amateur machine.
Could it be any plainer or simpler?
Therefor any computer can be both a pro and an amateur machine.
It all depends on the user.
Now, put away the rubber bands and paper clips and let everyone be happy.
Lol wonder what he'd do if someone started a thread called: "A Mac PRO is a REAL computer, MBP's are sh**!
He thinks hes up there because he owns a MAcbook Pro thats slightly better than a 13" MBP...
He thinks hes up there because he owns a MAcbook Pro thats slightly better than a 13" MBP...
Btw, 66% of the voters on the poll on my site voted "MacBook Pro", so owning one isn't really a biggie. Then 25% voted something else, which could be a Mac PRO, even better than his MBP. Tons of people own one, whats so special about him?
Yeah, this is just getting irritating...
I'm still trying to figure out how 1/3 is "quite conclusive" that the 13" isn't a pro... but yes, irritating. We have ourselves to blame. I get baited into responding way too often. We should just take NC Mac's quote and post it in response instead of actually trying to discuss the topic.
Again, you're the one requesting some offical paper as to what these classifications are. Not only official, but "international standards" as you put it.
You're the one trying to argue that because it's not some "international standard", then the term "professional" and what that entails is superfluous.
I have repeated time and time again, that I'm not arguing that in the Apple laptop case, branding it "pro" is nothing else than branding.
However, instead of concluding like you do, and go "Well, if the word "pro" doesn't really describe the reality in Apple's case, then the notion, the term "pro" has no meaning in any context whatsoever", I argue that it does indeed hold meaning, and that meaning is the reason that Apple succesfully brands their stuff with the word "pro".
Let me repeat:
To me it doesn't matter what the computer says (i.e. the branding, the monicker). However, I'm arguing that there indeed "professional" equipment out there, as opposed to "consumer" stuff.
And let me repeat again: You're the one wanting international definitions, because - apparently - without international standards, a term, a notion, cannot exist.
Ok, lets not post on this thread or ANY of shambo's threads then it will stop when he doesn't get response and the threads will all die to the bottom instead of staying at the top for days and weeks.
Good plan?
Good plan?
Clearly my sarcasm is not coming through. I'm asking for an international standards list because I know there isn't one. I don't care in the slightest what anything is labeled, classified, etc.
It never has held any meaning with me whatsoever, even when I was a "pro" photographer, i.e. getting paid very well for taking other peoples' pictures.
So your opinion is that it does hold meaning. Mine is that it does not. Are we done yet?
Hi Jessica, thanks for your question. Of course in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a jot to me however the way people have riled on me and others simply for holding a differing opinion is silly. Look at how my thread on the MBP antenna was hijacked. I will never stop being proud of my 15" (why should I?) so I can only assume there is a touch of jealousy about.
Hi Jessica, thanks for your question. Of course in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a jot to me however the way people have riled on me and others simply for holding a differing opinion is silly. Look at how my thread on the MBP antenna was hijacked. I will never stop being proud of my 15" (why should I?) so I can only assume there is a touch of jealousy about.
Do you seriously think the reaction you're getting is about jealousy over what kind of computer you currently use? That's one of the more juvenile reactions that is commonly seen on MR, which does a great disservice to those who use their laptops to travel a great deal, and prefer a smaller machine. You certainly couldn't get me to lug a great bit 17" machine around an airport, and price really is no object. I use my computers for work, and have a very expensive (well, I think that over $6,000 for a desktop is expensive, but it's all relative, really) workstation that does the heavy lifting. I VPN into that box from the road, and the 13" laptop is fine.
Jealousy? Get over yourself.
I can assure you that not one person here is jealous of you because you have a 15" MBP.Hi Jessica, thanks for your question. Of course in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a jot to me however the way people have riled on me and others simply for holding a differing opinion is silly. Look at how my thread on the MBP antenna was hijacked. I will never stop being proud of my 15" (why should I?) so I can only assume there is a touch of jealousy about.
In the past two years, I have owned a 15" MBP, my new 13" MBP, a 8 core Mac Pro, a 20" iMac and a black MacBook. The only ones I now own are the iMac and the new 13" MacBook Pro. Do you still think I am jealous of your 15" need to prove your manhood MacPro?
You need to find an S/O to occupy your time instead of having such strong feelings over a computer.
I am fully aware of why you asked for such a list. It was to make the argument, that since there is no such list, the term "professional" holds no meaning.
I really couldn't care for how long the term has held no meaning to you. Just as I don't care if the opposite, the term "amateur" holds no meaning to you.
Just because you have a hard time fathoming the connotations doesn't mean they're not there.
Despite the length at which the term has held no meaning to you, look it up:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/professional
(number 4 (noun) and number 3 (adj.))
And amateur:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/amateur
Of course the terms "professional" is used with even wider connotations than those definitions, no matter for how long you have taken the route that the only meaning to the term (besides it having "no meaning" ...) is to "make money with/from".
So, I don't know if we're done. Are we?
^^^^ I know you mean well and many agree with you on many levels but please don't feed the trolls.
Hi Jessica, thanks for your question. Of course in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a jot to me however the way people have riled on me and others simply for holding a differing opinion is silly. Look at how my thread on the MBP antenna was hijacked. I will never stop being proud of my 15" (why should I?) so I can only assume there is a touch of jealousy about.
Wow, a troll that isn't an MS shill. Interesting. I've got an MBP 15" and a 13", along with several towers; does that make me L33t or just confused?
Hi Jessica, thanks for your question. Of course in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter a jot to me however the way people have riled on me and others simply for holding a differing opinion is silly. Look at how my thread on the MBP antenna was hijacked. I will never stop being proud of my 15" (why should I?) so I can only assume there is a touch of jealousy about.
Lol, I couldn't care less what you think. But starting 999 threads where you trying to make your 15" look better by telling ppl that the 13" isn't a real pro is just retarded. You don't respect others opinions.
And why should I be jealous of your 15" lump? I buy a new MacBook every 10 months, hell I could buy a few more every 10 months if I wanted.
It's really rather simple. Yes, the 13" MacBook Pro is a Pro. It clearly says so right on the bezel. Whether you consider it as such is a matter of your own personal opinion, which you are wasting your time if you want to convince everyone else otherwise. If you want to force your opinion on the public, start writing strongly worded e-mails to Apple to take the name off the bezel. The fact of the matter is that Apple labelled it as a Pro, and it doesn't matter whether you consider it a "Pro", because no matter how much you whine and complain about it, the word is still there.
There are many examples of this in the world. The Suzuki Swift, for example, isn't particularly swift. Even if the name doesn't fit, that's still its name, and that can't be argued. It's as simple as that.
That said, they could have called it the Apple MacBook Bananas, and I'd still have bought it, because a name is just a name. Even by any other name, it still has the features I need at the price I'm willing to pay. If you have a problem with the name, direct your grievance to those who named it, not those who have no say in what it's called.
There are many examples of this in the world. The Suzuki Swift, for example, isn't particularly swift. Even if the name doesn't fit, that's still its name, and that can't be argued. It's as simple as that.
That said, they could have called it the Apple MacBook Bananas, and I'd still have bought it, because a name is just a name. Even by any other name, it still has the features I need at the price I'm willing to pay. If you have a problem with the name, direct your grievance to those who named it, not those who have no say in what it's called.
In my opinion, no, it doesn't hold meaning in classifying hardware.
Okay......that's fine.
I understand them perfectly fine; I just don't feel the need to classify everything as such.
You don't need to define them for me, I know what they are. I am just trying to get it through your skull THAT FOR ME, THEY HOLD NO MEANING FOR CLASSIFYING HARDWARE. NEVER HAVE. THIS IS MY OPINION, OF WHICH I AM ENTITLED. GET IT?
So in my OPINION, this argument of what is "Pro" and what is not "Pro" is stale. You'll never change my mind, and you'll never win an argument based on an opinion I do not agree with. We disagree, this is fine. Is that so hard to understand?
From your link:
FreeDictionary said:
Well, that would be the MacBook Pro, in any size, now wouldn't it?
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