13" Macbook Pro Isn't A Pro

[madog]

The 13 inch "Pro" uses a 6-bit screen which supports dithering to make it look as if it supports millions of colors. The 15 inch has an 8-bit screen which supports millions of colors.

I feel sorry for any professional designer who gets the 13 inch pro and thinks it has the same quality as the 15 inch.

It's not that the name is unimportant, it's that Apple calls them that when they are not of the same quality. A backlit keyboard does not a Pro make; some people actually rely on them for work.

 

[wankey]

The 15inch doesn't use a 8bit screen either. They are all 6bit.

 

[lamadude]

If a 15 inch screen and a dedicated GPU make something a "pro" device then you can get 400$ laptops that are "pro".
Macbook pro is just a brand, there is nothing "pro" about the components, if apple calls the 13" a macbook pro, then it is.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

I believe that the real "Pro" Machines are the ones with the removable batteries and the 3/4 express card slot and dual GPUs

so then none of the apple machines are pros anymore according to you.

different people have different needs. does not mean on person's needs are less Professional than anothers.

 

[maflynn]

Why are so many people hung up with the three letters p. r. o?

Who cares if the 13" laptop's moniker includes pro. It doesn't change anything, except that it seems the 15" MBP snobs get their noses out of joint at having a supposed non-pro machine now have pro tacked on.

really its not an issue.

 

[Shaduu]

Sorry, but the name is irrelevant. You want to know why I bought my 13" MBP? I bought it because I love the design of the unibodies, love 13" displays, needed Firewire, prefer a backlit keyboard and I don't really care about discrete graphics.

When will people realise that it's time look past the name and judge a machine on it's specs alone? I hope these same people will realise that many professionals, creative or otherwise, just want a computer that works well for them and looks good.

These days, most of Apple's customers are general consumers or professionals with basic knowledge of what the want or need from a computer; many wouldn't be able to tell you the differences between a MacBook and a MacBook Pro other than aesthetics. Most of Apple's customers are just people who have heard that Macs are the new, "in thing" and therefore buy one.

Quit your whining and enjoy your machines.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Why are so many people hung up with the three letters p. r. o?

Who cares if the 13" laptop's moniker includes pro. It doesn't change anything, except that it seems the 15" MBP snobs get their noses out of joint at having a supposed non-pro machine now have pro tacked on.

really its not an issue.

EXACTLY!!!! it's like the 15" crowd have looked down at the macbook crowd.

now that the 13" is labeled PRO, they dont know what to do other than put it down and talk about how inferior it is. they are not as powerful as their older brothers, BUT they work for a large chunk of the market that are, like it or not, "PRO"fessionals

 

[pmcb]

rofl @ grave injustice, get real.

your 15" super duper pro macbook isn't anything less because a 13" shares the pro moniker.

 

[Gabriel GR]

Hadn't it been for mass selling "amateur" devices like the claimed "non pro 13s", iphones and ipods apple would never be as powerful as it is. You can replace a Powerpc CPU with an intel one. You can remove the firewire port. You just can't remove snobism from some apple users.

 

[Z06jerry]

yep .. says so right on it!

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Hadn't it been for mass selling "amateur" devices like the claimed "non pro 13s", iphones and ipods apple would never be as powerful as it is. You can replace a Powerpc CPU with an intel one. You can remove the firewire port. You just can't remove snobism from some apple users.

yeah, and the OP is one of the worst. have you seen him in other threads tell people that the only reason THEY bought a 13" is because their financial means did not allow them to buy the 15" THEY really wanted.


WOW!!!!

 

[Transporteur]

yeah, and the OP is one of the worst. have you seen him in other threads tell people that the only reason THEY bought a 13" is because their financial means did not allow them to buy the 15" THEY really wanted.

Could you please give me a link?
Must be a very funny conversation.

 

[Gabriel GR]

yeah, and the OP is one of the worst. have you seen him in other threads tell people that the only reason THEY bought a 13" is because their financial means did not allow them to buy the 15" THEY really wanted.


WOW!!!!

I also really want a porsche 911 but I can't afford it. Should I be ashamed? Dive from my balcony or something?

By the way it's quite "pro" behaviour to buy as much as you need and as much as you can afford. Every manager would confirm that.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Could you please give me a link?
Must be a very funny conversation.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/771124/

there are a few comments like that in the above thread from him.

there are a few other threads but i will have to look for them.

I also really want a porsche 911 but I can't afford it. Should I be ashamed? Dive from my balcony or something?

By the way it's quite "pro" behaviour to buy as much as you need and as much as you can afford. Every manager would confirm that.

are you saying that you agree with him? i am a little confused by who your comment is directed to.

 

[Transporteur]

are you saying that you agree with him?

I guess (or should I hope?) noone really does!
Considering yourself as a 'pro' just because it's written on a silly computer can't be more stupid.

What makes you a pro is not your computer, it's your work. Who cares how you Mac is labeled?

 

[Gabriel GR]

are you saying that you agree with him? i am a little confused by who your comment is directed to.

Nah. you and me are both on the same boat.

By the way apples standard warranty of one year shows how much they care about their professional clients depending on their hardware. Lenovos have 3 years with spill/drop protection, HP Elitebooks Have 3 years and guess what? So do Toshiba Porteges and Tecras with spill/drop protection.

Too bad they all run on windows, don't look as great and have a fraction of the battery life of the macbook being larger and heavier.

 

[Pocket lint]

My answer will be an emphatical "no".

It's been a long while since any of their laptops could be considered "pro".

Edit:

Lenovos have 3 years with spill/drop protection, HP Elitebooks Have 3 years and guess what? So do Toshiba Porteges and Tecras with spill/drop protection.

Too bad they all run on windows, don't look as great and have a fraction of the battery life of the macbook being larger and heavier.

Hmm, my X200s is lighter than most, smaller yet comparably bigger resolution and far superior battery life. And it's much more expandable than most MacBooks.
Design wise, I consider the MacBook the Vuitton of computers, where as the Thinky is the Red Oxx (redoxx.com) with custom options. Both are great at what they do and both have great design. Their design objects were just different from the get-go, if I'm making any sense whatsoever?

 

[newcronos]

Doh. Apple label says it's a Pro, so yes.

 

[Minimoose 360]

No, it's not "Pro", end of story.

Just rebranded. But it's a great 13" laptop...lol

 

[jfyrfytr25]

I think people are missing the point. a computers features do not make it a pro. it is the person using it. the graphics designer that needs a large screen and a dedicated GPU. his Pro machine is going to be one that has those features.

a business person that needs an ultra portable for email, spreadsheets, presentations and able to be used in low lit cramped places like an airplane. his pro machine is one that can handle all that like a 13" MBP or a MBA.

neither guy is any less of a professional than the next and since their machines meet their professional needs and make their job easier they are BOTH professional machines.

there is not one windows based machine i know of that has the word PRO in their title. so if that word pro carries such power, does that mean that no other machine can do professional work?

 

[Gabriel GR]

My answer will be an emphatical "no".

It's been a long while since any of their laptops could be considered "pro".

Edit:



Hmm, my X200s is lighter than most, smaller yet comparably bigger resolution and far superior battery life. And it's much more expandable than most MacBooks.
Design wise, I consider the MacBook the Vuitton of computers, where as the Thinky is the Red Oxx (redoxx.com) with custom options. Both are great at what they do and both have great design. Their design objects were just different from the get-go, if I'm making any sense whatsoever?

Well all other manufacturers have much wider line ups. And some offer quite some innovation when it comes to body structure. Magnesium/titanium sceletons, carbon fiber bodies, liquid drain holes, matte screens, higher resolutions, more ports... OSX and style really are the only appeals of Mac Laptops. At least to me. If apple sold OSX as standalone and there were drivers and support I would have a hard time chosing between a MBP and a t400.

 

[smartalic34]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but what about the 12" Powerbook? was that not a "pro" machine? What exactly is a pro machine, anyway?

To Apple, it is their "higher-end" line (in terms of notebooks). Compared to the 13" White Macbook, the 13" MBP is a "pro" machine in terms of the package it brings to the table.

To all of you out there saying the 13" isn't a pro machine- what would it take to make it one? Dedicated GPU? What else? All Apple is doing is making it distinct from the white, plastic notebook of the same size. The 12" Powerbook compared to the 12" iBook is the same comparison, and most would say that was legitimate, no?

the only reason the MBP has "pro" in the same is to denote that it is the higher end line, just like the Powerbooks had a name that conveyed their extra "oomph" or "power" compared to the "i" line. it doesnt mean Apple is designating them as machines only for professionals. if you use your computer, no matter what kind it is, for your work, then I suppose you are a pro. Your machine is never a pro machine, simply a higher or lower end computer currently on the market, sold by Apple.

 

[macboy4]

Sorry, but the name is irrelevant. You want to know why I bought my 13" MBP? I bought it because I love the design of the unibodies, love 13" displays, needed Firewire, prefer a backlit keyboard and I don't really care about discrete graphics.

Bingo. For me the 13" pro is the perfect combination of power and portability. I'd love to have the power of a 17", but I don't want to have to lug around a 7 pound coffee table with me everywhere I go.

 

[Pocket lint]

Well all other manufacturers have much wider line ups. And some offer quite some innovation when it comes to body structure. Magnesium/titanium sceletons, carbon fiber bodies, liquid drain holes, matte screens, higher resolutions, more ports... OSX and style really are the only appeals of Mac Laptops. At least to me. If apple sold OSX as standalone and there were drivers and support I would have a hard time chosing between a MBP and a t400.

I know the feeling. I have all bur switched completely and use my X200s (magnesium frame, carbon lid, drip holes, 54mm expresscard-slot, SDHC-card reader, hardware button for wifi, 900x1440 12" screen et al) instead of the - now old - 15" MBP with 900x1440 resolution, 34mm expresscard slot and ... well, that's it.. Oh, and unlike any semi-comparable MB("P"), the X200s have a matte screen


With regards to the 12 incher. Well, I never really considered it "pro", but besides a slower processor and lower resolution (all of which is attributable to the way tech were at the time) I consider it more "pro" than the Air and for most intents and purposes more "pro" than the modern day 13" MB.

Glossy, of course, plays a big part.

I have to say, though, that in this day of age you couldn't make do with what the 12" had even if you did indeed up the resolution and the CPU. It would need to take useablity from things like netbooks, X200s, X301 and so on.

Not that they ever will do such a thing, mind you.

Edit:

Bingo. For me the 13" pro is the perfect combination of power and portability. I'd love to have the power of a 17", but I don't want to have to lug around a 7 pound coffee table with me everywhere I go.

That reminds me:
I think we all put different connotations into the word "pro". To some "pro" equals "speed of cpu", to others it means "usability in the field".

I'm in the latter camp. CPU-power is not the end-all to me. Not by a long shot. I don't mind a bit slower, if I can work longer, can plug the things I need into it, and can do what I want and need to. Preferably without worrying about breakdowns, bumps, forgotten adaptors and card readers, wifi-extenders, incompatible FW chipsets, shifting position to not be annoying by my own reflection and what have we.

 

[silentnite]

You've really gotta see this thing in action before you speak. Yes it is small but that's what makes it great. If you need a bigger screen for some reason or another, you just go external.

I'm using mines to edit music, Logic & Garage band and it works out just fine for me. You upgrade the Hdd & add another 2 GB of Memory and your good. Makes for a nice extra computer when you can't be at your desk. If your someone on the move, this pro's for you.