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Which connector is your new unibody Macbook pro

  • Sata I - 1.5Gbit

    Votes: 218 69.6%
  • Sata II - 3.0Gbit

    Votes: 95 30.4%

  • Total voters
    313
I just got off the phone with Apple engineering and they are confirming that the speed on the 13 inch mbp is 1.5 Gigabit, not 3.0 as previous gen was.

They said that cost was probably the deciding factor for this which makes absolutely no sense since it is the same chip.

So there you go. Like it or not.

That makes no sense. It's the same controller isn't it? What if you ordered one with an SSD? Does anyone have a 13" MacBook Pro that is showing 3.0 as opposed to 1.5?

It would be helpful if everyone here posted their exact model and configuration along with what it shows as the controller and 1.5 vs 3.0. Thanks.
 
13" 2.26GHz MBP
60GB Vertex SSD

Vendor: NVidia
Product: MCP79 AHCI
Speed: 1.5 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.20 Supported

I googled that product number and it specifically says that it should support 3.0 sata transfer rates. the previous low end 13" umb had 3.0 sata, so why wouldn't this one? downgrade the sata to old technology and still call it a pro machine? wow!!
 
Like said earlier don't pitch a fit if you have a 13" with 1.5gb and still using platter based storage. The fastest 7200 rpm notebook drives won't approach this limit. High end SSD's like the x25-m, titans etc WILL be hindered by such a slow interface.

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2.53 13" MBP, showing 1.5. I was planning on putting in an SSD at some point, so this ticks me off. Is apple accepting returns for this reason, has anyone tried?
 
I highly doubt that statement that price was the deciding factor. Although, if the did swap out different controller chips, then it'd make sense, but in the technological standpoint, it's retarded to go back to 1.5 Gb/s when the whole industry is doing 3Gb/s now.
 
Macbook Pro

Yeah right...

Fine I understand in a 13" you might not need a dedicated graphics card but some of us really wanted a new SSD.

I say return the damn thing till Apple pulls its head out of its butt!!
 
i just got off the phone with apple,

the 2.26 carries the 1.5gbit connector and he couldent tell me a anything about the 2.53, except that some have 1.5 and some 3.0

I'm guessing that if you order one with an SSD they enable 3.0 on it. If this is true then it is unbelievably mental and a class-action lawsuit should be filed forcing Apple to update the firmware. Maybe someone can create a hack in the meantime. This is absolutely ridiculous if not an honest glitch/error in the firmware.
 
A question. A mechanical HD can't saturate the 1.5GBps bus but the SSDs can. However, looking at the numbers for the random write tests, the reported speeds are only down in the 10-20MB/s range anyways. And isn't the random writes test the one that everyone is supposed to care about, the one that indicates the most "real" performance? Therefore, how big of an issue is it really if the SSD saturates the 1.5Gbps bus in sequential reads/writes, but is still far, far, from saturating the bus in the more indicative tests? Upgrading to a SSD will still give you a significant speed boost, just maybe not quite as fast as if you had a faster SATA bus?

Just seems like all of a sudden sequential read/write speeds are everybody's business now huh.

If anything, it's a reason not to invest in the expensive Intel drives as the speed benefits would go unrealized?

Just to be safe though, I think I should cancel the Corsair 256GB SSD order I placed earlier today... it hasn't shipped yet and is probably easier to cancel now than try to send it back once shipped. Still though, I think even if this turns out to be an unfixable thing, upgrading to a good SSD should still give massive speed benefits as many SSD speed tests still are far from saturating the bus.

BTW my MBP13" ("high end" model) is reporting 1.5GBps SATA speed with stock 250GB HD. I think the people at the apple store are bogus when they say some have 3.0GBps and some don't. That just doesn't make any practical sense. I'm also not entirely sure I believe the engineering team saying they deliberately reduced the speed on the SATA bus too, as that doesn't make any sense either. They're probably just providing an answer to a very concerned caller because they don't think "We'll look at this more closely" is a good thing to say.

Ruahrc
 
A class action lawsuit will work fine if the specification detailing the drop from 3Gb/s to 1.5Gb/s isn't found. However, by the time Apple is beaten thru that lawsuit, it'll have been around 2-3 years and thus current models rendered obsolete.
 
If this is true, maybe this is one of the measures that Apple is taking to achieve the advertised 7 hours of battery life. I thought I read somewhere that many laptops use SATA I (1.5Gbit/s) instead of SATA II (3.0Gbit/s) connections to save on battery life since SATA I connections use less power. Since the majority of people purchasing these 13 inch MBPs are probably using hard drives, they will not notice the difference as hard drives do not saturate even the SATA I bus. However, this really stinks for people using fast SSDs such as the OCZ Vertex, Intel X25-M or E or SSDs with the newest gen Samsung controller as they can reach over 200MB/s sequential read on a SATA II connection.
 
Like said earlier don't pitch a fit if you have a 13" with 1.5gb and still using platter based storage. The fastest 7200 rpm notebook drives won't approach this limit. High end SSD's like the x25-m, titans etc WILL be hindered by such a slow interface.

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The problem is that given the high cost, most people in the market for an SSD will upgrade to one after the fact as opposed to ordering one BTO with one. Other people not currently in the market for one may do so after the prices drop some more. Having this bottleneck will pretty much make that pointless. If one were to order it BTO with the SSD and they got one with 1.5 then they just wasted $850. Also, if it's the same controller (and it seems to be) then Apple is artificially slowing it down. This is something I expect of Microsoft, not Apple. I take that back. It's actually it's beneath Microsoft. It's just plain stupid.

This actually deserves to be front page news!
 
Having this bottleneck will pretty much make that pointless.

I disagree. There are plenty of other valid reasons to upgrade to a SSD, maximum sequential read/write speed being slightly capped notwithstanding.
 
DON'T even start with "You don't need the speed"

You will lose that argument.

Anyone who has ever said that regretted it. :D
 
This what it should show for all you guys with the new MacBook Pros. This screenshot of my Al MacBook 2.4GHz shows 3Gb/s SATA connection. If your Mac doesn't show this, I've got bad news for you...:(

Edit - Edited pic to eliminate my names
 

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I have a 2.26 Ghz 13" MacBook ("Pro") with 1.5 Mb interface. Today I have a Intel X25-M arriving. That's what I get for being an early adopter, but it's a VERY odd decision by Apple, especially now that SSD are finally coming down in price. I'm wondering whether to return one or the other.
 
let me cancel my mpb 13" order now while I can. I ordered the low end 13" but wanted to put a SSD in it and if I get no benefits then I rather go refurb on something else.
 
Shame on you Apple!
But what does this mean in the real world?
Who besides ssd users would this affect?
Are we talking a 5-10 per cent speed decrease?
 
you still do get some of the benefits of SSD (no noise, more reliable, faster boot/app loading time), but you won't be able to take advantage of the faster reads and writes.
 
i really wish apple doesn't release the new umbp at all!
my previous umb is totally fine, it runs cool and have the 3.0gbit speed.
now i have to exchange it to the new one(since it's free to exchange) and capped by this 1.5gbit :(
 
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