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13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!
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The 1.5Gb limitation has been an issue on ThinkPad since late 2008 and affecting Intel chipset as well, it that case, Lenovo had never released an updated BIOS to address that issue until today. If the speculation is correct, it could affect even wider range of laptops shipped (previous gen uMB, uMBP included). MacBook Air and 17" product would not hit this issue is because non of the Apple-shipped SSD option would require beyond 1.5Gb/s, therefore Apple would not incurred issues with high speed data transfer reliability, and Apple does not back third-party SSD support which required SATA 3.0Gb/s.
If there is a hardware bug that is affecting SATA at 3.0Gb/s, it wouldn't be surprised that Apple and Lenovo are quietly downgraded the most popular models first to reduce the percentage of affected units.
Hi,
It's probably been linked here before, but just in case...
Please make sure to voice your opinion about this downgrade to Apple:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
It's probably been linked here before, but just in case...
Please make sure to voice your opinion about this downgrade to Apple:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
What is truly disturbing is the lack of feedback from Cupertino.
Their customer base is entitled to some kind of explanation.
I find their lack of cooperation and forthrightness about this matter mind-boggling.
In fact I think people should no longer enquire about this, they should demand an explanation!
Agreed. I just submitted my disappointment via the feedback forum. I honestly expected an official response this week.
Why? Did Apple fail to do something they said they would? Again, nowhere in the specs does it say you're entitled to a 3.0 bus. I bet right now, there is a flurry of Cupertino lawyer activity researching this just to make sure. (I know I would)
Now, does going "backwards" to 1.5gb/s make sense? No. But Apple is under no obligation to rationalize their design decision to anybody.
Then you don't understand corporate infrastructure and their obligations to stockholders. I own Apple stock and am personally glad they are keeping this under the radar - I wouldn't expect anything less.
This is why they haven't said anything, regardless of whether or not this is the way it should be.
For the guy whose Intel SSD boots in 45s, somethign must be wrong. My 13" MBP with the stock 250GB 5400rpm HD booted in about 25-30secs, after I installed my Corsair P256 it boots in about 20. And that includes loading Safari, Mail, and iCal at startup which is practically instantaneous.
Ruahrc
What you say makes sense up and until a person buys an MBP...
After one spends money on a product and asks a technical question to said manufacturer they better have an explanation. I really don't care why they did it but i am still entitled to some kind of answer.
This holds true for any type of product. I just had this problem with an LCD TV and you can bet they answered all my questions.
That's what I was thinking. As if it would make any kind of financial sense for Apple to announce, "Hey, everyone. We ****ed up our new laptops. Whoops! Actually, come to think of it, we kind of suck as a company. Want to buy some shares?"
Just talked to Apple tech support over the phone.
According to the customer service rep, they are aware of this problem and it is not fixable. He suggested me to either buy a 17' or wait for the next gen. He also said a lot of people called, and he understood their concern.
I guess I will get a last gen 15 umbp.
According to the customer service rep, they are aware of this problem and it is not fixable. He suggested me to either buy a 17' or wait for the next gen. He also said a lot of people called, and he understood their concern.
I guess I will get a last gen 15 umbp.
It would be nice to see some benchmarks with the new 15" with Apples SSD and the previous 15" with Apples SSD. This is really frustrating.
Give this some time. The first point of contact are the phone techs, then their supervisors, escalation support engineers and so on up the line. The problem with this issue is people aren't calling in to report something that's technically "broken" - they're just calling to complain. It's like the same calls they got for removing firewire from previous macbooks or removing the "put back" command from the trash can in OSX.
In other words... you're treating this like a "defect" when in their eyes it's merely a feature request.
I guarantee they won't admit it's a defect. Furthermore... providing a simple fix (assuming there is one) may legally imply an admission that it was broke to begin with and they need to be careful with this. So it would be understandable (from a $$$ point of view) if they don't ever provide a fix - even if one is available.
So after all these posts, the conclusion is that an SSD upgrade is not worth it, as you won't get the full potential of your SSD.
I have a 320GB hard drive, so I don't care about SATA-II. But, I was thinking about getting an SSD when prices get more reasonable. Seems it won't be worth it.
I have a 320GB hard drive, so I don't care about SATA-II. But, I was thinking about getting an SSD when prices get more reasonable. Seems it won't be worth it.
Because SATA2 is the industry standard at the moment and because the hardware they are selling implies SATA2 functionality and yet there is no disclaimer stating that we are not getting the full capability of the nvidia chipset. There is no hardware available at the moment that uses SATA1 and yet Apple is actually downgrading it and not giving any reason why.
I may not understand obligation to shareholders but i understand ethics and obligation to clients. Apple never had any of those. They always keep quiet and never respond to journalists when such issues arise. I was hoping it would be fixable but it doesn't appear to be. I am getting a PC
I just want to add the following link
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400m_g_us.html
Nvidia specifies that the 9400M has SATA 3Gbps. Apple advertises that the macbook pro has 9400M. You do the math.
it seems a bit odd. They may be jerking you around.
We've all seen this sort of thing before.
It's called chaos.
That is the most convoluted sentence known to man. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
So after all these posts, the conclusion is that an SSD upgrade is not worth it, as you won't get the full potential of your SSD.
I have a 320GB hard drive, so I don't care about SATA-II. But, I was thinking about getting an SSD when prices get more reasonable. Seems it won't be worth it.
that conclusion is incorrect and probably came from people who have never owned a ssd. even with the cap, you get the benefit of no noise and faster boot/app loading time.
Heres my 2 cents (as a prospective MBP buyer).
On the tech spec pages of the 13 and 15 MBPs it states that they each have Two USB 2.0 ports. Why is there a need to identify the ports as 2.0? When was the last time USB 1.1 was sold in desktops/laptops? If Apples page just said Two USB ports, would you even consider that they wouldnt be USB 2.0; that you wouldnt be getting the latest and greatest USB version 2.0 that has been in use since roughly 2002?
Now glance over at the storage side of the tech specs page like you dont already know is states Serial ATA. Okay; true enough; it is Serial ATA. BUT Guess what the whitebook, Air, 17, and previous gen uMBs state? Serial ATA. Well theyre all 3 Gbps. So following that logic, the 13 and 15 must have the same Gbps throughput since theyre identified as Serial ATA as well. If that were only true, I wouldnt have written this, and you wouldnt be reading it.
Apple; fix this or Ill stick with PC instead of buying my first Mac.
Note: I know USB 3.0 is around the corner, so that might be a reason to identify 2.0 as 2.0; but SATA 3 (6Gbps) is around the corner as well and Apple hasnt identified the Sata II specs as such.
On the tech spec pages of the 13 and 15 MBPs it states that they each have Two USB 2.0 ports. Why is there a need to identify the ports as 2.0? When was the last time USB 1.1 was sold in desktops/laptops? If Apples page just said Two USB ports, would you even consider that they wouldnt be USB 2.0; that you wouldnt be getting the latest and greatest USB version 2.0 that has been in use since roughly 2002?
Now glance over at the storage side of the tech specs page like you dont already know is states Serial ATA. Okay; true enough; it is Serial ATA. BUT Guess what the whitebook, Air, 17, and previous gen uMBs state? Serial ATA. Well theyre all 3 Gbps. So following that logic, the 13 and 15 must have the same Gbps throughput since theyre identified as Serial ATA as well. If that were only true, I wouldnt have written this, and you wouldnt be reading it.
Apple; fix this or Ill stick with PC instead of buying my first Mac.
Note: I know USB 3.0 is around the corner, so that might be a reason to identify 2.0 as 2.0; but SATA 3 (6Gbps) is around the corner as well and Apple hasnt identified the Sata II specs as such.
Summary: A guy... believes... something.
Not from Apple, does not work for Apple, did not work for Apple in the past. Says something. And what....? It's all gonna be better. NOT!!!