13" rMBP - 4,096,000 pixels, $1700-2000, INTEGRATED GRAPHICS?!?

[terraphantm]

Considering that all of last years models with an HD3000 can power a Thunderbolt Display (2560x1440) with no problems, and this is just 2560x1600 I can't really imagine it having any trouble at all. HD4000 is a much better GPU than its predecessor.

Come to think of it, I run dual 1920x1080 displays (effectively 3840x2160) without a hiccup on my 2011 Mini with the HD3000.

I don't disagree that the price is a little hefty, but all this whining about the iGPU is a bunch of fuss over nothing. Besides that, it's the first generation of a new product. The price will probably fall in line with the current MBP next year or the year after. The original MBA was introduced at a much higher price tag as well.

13" MBP hasn't ever had a dGPU, anybody who's wanted that has always needed to jump up to the 15". No one should be surprised this hasn't changed.

2d content doesn't require much of a GPU. My 2008 air could drive a 2560x1600 monitor without too much trouble either - at least with 2d content. Does that mean Apple should've never upgraded past the 9400M found in the 2008 air? No.

Dual 1920x1080 displays is not effectively 3840x2160. It's effectively 3840x1080 or 1920x2160. You'd need 4 1080p displays to have 3840x2160 pixels.

The problem is the equipment of the 13" rMBP doesn't justify the price. The 15" rMBP also launched at a fairly steep price, but at least it came with the hardware to justify the extra cost over the cMBP. The 13" should have followed a similar pattern. Apple should've either given it a serious upgrade performance wise or priced it more competitively.

Why does it matter that the 13" MBP never had a dGPU? The retina displays are new territory. Apple freed up a lot of room by removing the optical drive, removing the ram sockets, and using a proprietary SSD. This should've allowed them to put in a dGPU. It doesn't necessarily have to have the same CPU/GPU as the 15"... but it should have something better than what it does right now. A dual core i7 with an actual GT 650 (rather than what's effectively a GTX 660 in its big brother) would have made sense as a compromise.

 

[soya]

Just wait for Haswell 13 inch rMBP guys.. It will have a much better integrated GPU that is twice as fast as HD 4000..

 

[Purant]

If we compare the 2000$ version of the 13" with the entry level 15" (2200$) the 13 inch seems very overpriced.

For 200$ more you get:
1) Bigger screen.
2) Quad Core Cpu.
3) Discreet GPU.

 

[throAU]

news flash: thermal constraints are real


want high end gpu? buy machine big enough to dissipate heat.

As to the price discrepancy - perhaps building a 2560x1600 screen in 13" is more difficult than 2880x1800 in 15"?

 

[rMacBookPro]

What a disgrace.

For that price, and with that many pixels to push, any form of 3D, or even the simplest modern games, are going to make this otherwise beautiful computer slow to an unusable crawl.

I have the money sitting and collecting dust. I was SO excited to buy this computer. Now, there is an absolute zero percent chance I'm going to buy this.

Apple ignores casual gamers, and those who work with 3D, AGAIN.

Now I have no choice but to go back to a Windows machine, and that makes me want to cry

Yep, the lack of the dGPU killed it for me.

 

[Maczor]

Yep, the lack of the dGPU killed it for me.

If it had a dGPU, then you'd most likely still be here complaining...
... but about the CPU not keeping up or not having enough memory to run 100 things at once.
It's clearly not a computer for gaming, heavy 3D rendering or similar.
If you need all that, you need to look for something else...

... too much daydreaming nowadays.

 

[0x000000]

What killed it for me wasnt so much the GPU, it was the SSD. If the lower model had 256 gb, i would have gotten it right away

 

[ImperialX]

What killed it for me wasnt so much the GPU, it was the SSD. If the lower model had 256 gb, i would have gotten it right away

I agree that it's disappointing, but I'd pay an extra $500 for the screen, non-ULV CPU and 8GB RAM. Damn, the screen is awesome.

 

[heisenberg123]

Who said $1200? I would have gladly paid $2500+ for a proper 13" Pro machine!

I dont remember everyones same, one person actually said the 13CMP should be $899


anyways these 13" are marketed for Soccer Moms and such not techy people

I also find it hard to believe the 13rMBP is any less powerfull than the 13cMBP


people wanted the 13" to become more powerfull than it was in the years past which is delussional.

 

[bill-p]

Again, you not taking into account that the components, PPC chips and the GPU of those days ran WAY hotter than what we use today.

Now you're just making stuffs up

http://www.e2v.com/e2v/assets/File/documents/high-reliability-microprocessors/PC7447A.pdf

The PowerPC 7447A used in the 12" aluminum PowerBook G4 is rated for only 18W of thermal, and can be downclocked to make it so that it only pushes out 10W of heat.

The GPU used in the same machine also has a thermal profile of approximately 10W - 17W under load.

It's comparable to what Apple is using in the rMBP 13" now, but the rMBP 13" has 40% less space to dissipate heat because it's so small. Do the math...

Apple did not innovate here. This is why most of us are upset. Sure its a slimmer profile, but what did we gain? Retina? The color accuracy of these displays are not something you would want to trust for proofing before going to print anyways. (Only 70% of aRGB)

Furthermore, I bet you a cup of coffee they have locked down the turboboost in BootCamp on the i5's just like they did on the 2012 MBA i5's.

They had the opportunity to knock this revision out of the park. Apple had a blank slate and choose to not only continue to neuter the 13" line, but also price gouge more than ever.

I am reacting to what they are doing to users that want/need power. I have a sick feeling that they will kill off the Mac Pro next stating that the iMac is the future.

And why do you care what Apple wants to do with their products? You either buy the machine and use it, or you don't.

Is it reasonable that I react to every word you write and say that it affects your future? Of course not. Your life is yours to decide. Just like Apple's machines are theirs to decide.

But that aside, there are actual constraints on the rMBP 13" now that prevents it from getting better components. You have a problem? Get the 15".

I don't want to come off as snobbish or elitist... but... honestly, some of the posts regarding the 13" rMBP now are just ridiculous. People expect a thinner, lighter, cheaper notebook with a dedicated GPU for a fraction of the rMBP 15" price... and when they don't get it, they act as if they've been cheated, wronged...

...and they still continue to react despite knowing the technical constraints of the 13" rMBP.

So how did Apple do it with the 15" rMBP, you ask? Well, that's because the 15" has more vents (the speaker grilles also count as vents) to dissipate heat, and it also has more space for Apple to stuff things in.