13 RMBP sucks

[LachlanH]

HD4000 is well documented but it doesnt seem to cause issues in a MBA...

and nobody can know how much power hungry a retina display is. Apple CLAIMS that this hardware is powerful fast and sufficient. And it clearly IS NOT.

And seriously, you need to stop worshiping apple so much. Before you label me as a troll look at the rest of my messages. I really like this company but I will not turn a blind eye when I see them doing stupid and missleading things with their products.

Apple did not handle the 13 rmbp properly. They should have waited for haswell or included a dedicated gfx card in it.

Just the fact that they put the label "Pro" next to that macbook, is -according to me-false advertising. This machine is not up to the "pro" standards apple has created themselves.

The fact that they are pricing it so ridiculously high makes it even more ridiculous.

I dont know what more you guys need... reviewers are all over the place with such issues, users as well...

This laptop shouldnt have come out. Or it should have a different name like

"the 13 inch retina macbook" (leave the pro out of it)

Well all I can say is while I agree with you that it is priced too high to represent good value for money, I do not share your opinion that it is a poor laptop nor do I feel Apple is being misleading in any way.

I am typing this from Windows on my desktop PC I built myself so I can't be that much of an Apple fanboy.

 

[walkie]

The 13" rMBP is not bad but overpriced for what it is...

 

[UnwiredTech]

Go get Razer Blade or Alienware

 

[Valkyre]

Well all I can say is while I agree with you that it is priced too high to represent good value for money, I do not share your opinion that it is a poor laptop nor do I feel Apple is being misleading in any way.

Well it's something!

The good news is Hawell update is going to benefit the 13 rmbp more than the 15 inch. My personal advise for any1 that considers buying a 13 inch rmbp is to wait a few months. If he doesnt mind the slightly bigger footprint and extra weight, he can go towards a 15 inch rmbp now.

But as it is right now, the 13 rmbp is a no no.

 

[robvas]

The 13" rMBP is not bad but overpriced for what it is...

Maybe. I'm starting to come around.

The 'equal' machine would be a MacBook Air with the 8GB upgrade - you're looking at $1299

The 13" rMBP has a slower CPU, so really you'd need to upgrade to the i7 to make it truly equal. But you can't do that without buying the 256GB model and then upgrading the CPU and RAM. You end up at $1699, the same price as the 13" rMBP, but the Air has the advantage of the 256GB vs 128GB SSD.

The other 'equal' machine would be the 13" Pro with the 8GB RAM and 128GB SSD upgrades from Apple - $1499. $200 less than the 13" rMBP, and it would really only be about $150 more to upgrade the $1199 machine yourself from off-the-shelf parts.

But with the 13" rMPB you are getting a much, much higher quality screen, not to mention the ability to use 1650x1080 resolution. You're also getting HDMI output, and two, not just one Thunderbolt port. That's huge if you want to connect to two external monitors or have Thunderbolt devices that don't have daisy-chain capability.

Andin that case it's only a couple hundred bucks to upgrade - don't compare the 13" rMPB with the base $1199 Air or Pro.

 

[Valkyre]

Maybe. I'm starting to come around.

The 'equal' machine would be a MacBook Air with the 8GB upgrade - you're looking at $1299

The 13" rMBP has a slower CPU, so really you'd need to upgrade to the i7 to make it truly equal. But you can't do that without buying the 256GB model and then upgrading the CPU and RAM. You end up at $1699, the same price as the 13" rMBP, but the Air has the advantage of the 256GB vs 128GB SSD.

The other 'equal' machine would be the 13" Pro with the 8GB RAM and 128GB SSD upgrades from Apple - $1499. $200 less than the 13" rMBP, and it would really only be about $150 more to upgrade the $1199 machine yourself from off-the-shelf parts.

But with the 13" rMPB you are getting a much, much higher quality screen, not to mention the ability to use 1650x1080 resolution. You're also getting HDMI output, and two, not just one Thunderbolt port. That's huge if you want to connect to two external monitors or have Thunderbolt devices that don't have daisy-chain capability.

Andin that case it's only a couple hundred bucks to upgrade - don't compare the 13" rMPB with the base $1199 Air or Pro.

Yes, but the point is that its performance is worse than the computers you mentioned and compared with the 13 inch...

And the 13 rmbp is supposed to be "pro". Yet it isnt. For that pricetag I would agree that it is priced ok if the i7 was the standard cpu on the base model and 256gb ssd (seriously 128gb for a pro model sounds ridiculous... they are going to have ipads with such hd space...). But even then the hd4000 performance would still be kind of crap...

 

[KPOM]

Apple did not handle the 13 rmbp properly. They should have waited for haswell or included a dedicated gfx card in it.

Just the fact that they put the label "Pro" next to that macbook, is -according to me-false advertising. This machine is not up to the "pro" standards apple has created themselves.

The fact that they are pricing it so ridiculously high makes it even more ridiculous.

This laptop shouldnt have come out. Or it should have a different name like

"the 13 inch retina macbook" (leave the pro out of it)

How is it misleading? The "lag" is more of a software issue than a hardware one, and reports from 10.8.3 beta testers on those threads is that it is improved.

As for "pro," it has the same processor and GPU as the 13" cMBP. Heck, as late as May 2011 Apple was selling the 13" Pro with a Core 2 Duo. However, the Pro line has always had higher quality displays and better connectivity than the Air or standard MacBook lines.

Also, compared to other "business class" notebooks, the 13" rMBP has respectable specifications. I'm getting an HP Elitebook 2570p next week at the office, and it will be equipped with the Ivy Bridge Core i5-3360 (2.8GHz) and the HD 4000 only. No discrete graphics. It's roughly the same weight but about 1/3" thicker and has only a 12.5" TFT screen at 1366x768. But nevertheless it is sold as a "pro" machine available primarily from HP's business and enterprise websites.

As for the Elitebook 2570p vs. 13" rMBP specifically, it's somewhat difficult to compare prices since there's a lot of disparity, but equipped with a 128GB SSD and 8GB RAM, the Elitebook sells for around $1250. It includes a bunch of legacy ports that require adapters on the rMBP (Ethernet, VGA, but oddly enough full Displayport rather than HDMI) and it has an optical drive. A comparable 13" cMBP sells for $1500, and the rMBP for $1700, though resellers often have the cMBP discounted to $1450 and the rMBP discounted to about $1575.

True, the 13" rMBP is a bit pricey for what you get, especially compared to the 15" rMBP, but it's the only one of its kind right now. Will the mid-2013 version (or whichever version Apple decides to mainstream) be less expensive? Probably. But that's not what's on offer in February 2013.

 

[1member1]

the rmbp 13 is amazing I'm enjoying every moment. you just bought laptop that does not fit your needs. too bad

 

[nitromac]

Graphics requirements aren't restricted to video games. Video editing and 3D modeling make heavy use of a graphics card. You can get by with an integrated, but it's going to be slow as hell and you'd wish you had spent your money on something better.

But honestly no one should be buying a 13" apple product and expect it to do video, regardless of the price tag. The 13" line has always been catered to the average user, 15" more for the enthusiast/professional.

 

[Orlandoech]

Actually...it is your job as a customer to research the product you are buying to see if it meets your needs. If I buy a family sedan with 5 seats it's likely they are going to say somewhere in the advertising that it is very spacious with room for the whole family. I can't well turn around and complain that it's their fault my family of 27 cannot fit in it.

exactly. People are dumb.

 

[gregpod9]

Yesterday my refurb 13" rMBP arrived to my home and within the first 10 minutes of use image retention appeared on the screen, it was laggy when scrolling web pages, and when I exit a program the desktop menu disappears and then reappears within a few seconds. I guess the Intel HD4000 is not powerful enough to drive the retina display. I will be returning it today.

 

[KPOM]

Yesterday my refurb 13" rMBP arrived to my home and within the first 10 minutes of use image retention appeared on the screen, it was laggy when scrolling web pages, and when I exit a program the desktop menu disappears and then reappears within a few seconds. I guess the Intel HD4000 is not powerful enough to drive the retina display. I will be returning it today.

If it's showing image retention already, I'd take it back and have Apple look at it, or better yet send you a replacement.

As for the lag, 10.8.3 will address a lot of what you see in Safari. It is a software issue, not a hardware issue with Safari. HD4000 can easily drive a 2560x1600 display in normal tasks. The HD4000 is as powerful as mainstream discrete GPUs were 2-3 years ago. Heck, even the NVIDIA 320m and HD 3000 of old MacBook Pros and Airs could power an Apple Cinema Display.

I don't experience the issue with the desktop menu disappearing and taking seconds to redraw. Did you migrate from a different Mac? Perhaps some old software is causing an issue. Also, don't forget that on a new Mac, Spotlight takes some time to index the SSD, which slows things down a bit.

 

[technopimp]

You're not the same person using a different account that was whining about how Apple "ripped you off" when you bought a C2D MBP, are you?

 

[Brian Y]

If it's showing image retention already, I'd take it back and have Apple look at it, or better yet send you a replacement.

As for the lag, 10.8.3 will address a lot of what you see in Safari. It is a software issue, not a hardware issue with Safari. HD4000 can easily drive a 2560x1600 display in normal tasks. The HD4000 is as powerful as mainstream discrete GPUs were 2-3 years ago. Heck, even the NVIDIA 320m and HD 3000 of old MacBook Pros and Airs could power an Apple Cinema Display.

I don't experience the issue with the desktop menu disappearing and taking seconds to redraw. Did you migrate from a different Mac? Perhaps some old software is causing an issue. Also, don't forget that on a new Mac, Spotlight takes some time to index the SSD, which slows things down a bit.

Use the latest webkit nightly and the browser lag is nonexistent!

 

[wickedking94]

You're not the same person using a different account that was whining about how Apple "ripped you off" when you bought a C2D MBP, are you?

No that would be me.

And you have to admit that the 13" MacBooks have always been a but under spec for their price.

True he should have done research ahead of time, but I do think apple could manage to put a better GPU in there instead of just the HD4000, especially since it does take more to run retina. For all the retina MacBooks they should do what the higher end MacBooks do, have the 4000 paired with another higher end GPU and switch between them as demand increases/decreases.

 

[thekev]

Graphics requirements aren't restricted to video games. Video editing and 3D modeling make heavy use of a graphics card. You can get by with an integrated, but it's going to be slow as hell and you'd wish you had spent your money on something better.

But honestly no one should be buying a 13" apple product and expect it to do video, regardless of the price tag. The 13" line has always been catered to the average user, 15" more for the enthusiast/professional.

Apple's gpu options in those areas aren't ideal in most of their lineup. You mentioned 3d modeling. It depends on the applications, but many of them cache a lot of information within video memory. Main memory is slower. Even with the 15" you're restricted to 1GB. 2GB DDR5 would be ideal, as you can hit a pretty noticeable wall there. Regarding their structuring, I completely disagree with you. Apple doesn't seem to design directly with smaller markets in mind. That ended with the PowerPC era. They like higher margins, so they bundle certain upgrades. To buy this, you must also buy that. As for the OP, he's a troll. His prior thread was about how he managed to return a macbook pro with water damage and dents as they didn't check it prior to issuing a refund.

 

[PatriotInvasion]

The 13" rMBP is not bad but overpriced for what it is...

This is a big misconception. Go to Apple's site and configure a 13" cMBP with 8GB of RAM and a 128GB SSD. It comes to $1,499.

For an extra $200, you get the rMBP with a MUCH better screen, 2 Thunderbolt ports, and a thinner, lighter design. I don't think $200 is too much to ask for 4X the resolution on a 13" screen. If it's too expensive, don't buy it.

 

[AppleWarMachine]

I agree,

$2000 for a laptop without a dedicated graphics card...ouch

...but what apple product isn't overpriced

 

[treyjustice]

I'm really enjoying my 13 inch retina. I got a killer deal on it so that may be why I'm not complaining about price. I don't use it for a ton of graphic intensive stuff. What I need it for it performs well. I love the screen and the size.

 

[KPOM]

I agree,

$2000 for a laptop without a dedicated graphics card...ouch

...but what apple product isn't overpriced

I think we'll definitely see lower prices in 2013 for the entire rMBP line, perhaps significantly lower.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/02/01/13-in...15-15-inch-retina-macbook-pro-1999-at-amazon/

You generally don't see this kind of sustained discounting so early on in the product life for Apple products. True, Amazon has run some specials in the past (I remember picking up a 2011 MBA for about $200 through a Kindle coupon), but this comes on the heels of Best Buy's promotion last week.

I think a $1499 MSRP for the 13" rMBP will be easily achieved and $1299 is within the realm of possibility, perhaps with a "lesser" Haswell chip.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

So people *are* getting ripped off?

I mean, you can get a 13" laptop from Dell for $600. Sure it's a Dell, and it has a HDD instead of an SSD, and battery life is like 1/2 the rMBP, it's thicker, but it's also 1/3 the price. Somehow I don't think it costs Apple $1200 for a higher-res screen, battery, and small SSD.

 

[Valkyre]

exactly. People are dumb.

Yeah and using the same logic anyone who gets a rmbp and gets an LG display with image retention is also "dumb". Because hey, they should have researched the whole thing better... not apple's fault you got an LG with image retention, you could have gotten a Samsung screen if you did your homework!
****** logic.

 

[treyjustice]

I mean, you can get a 13" laptop from Dell for $600. Sure it's a Dell, and it has a HDD instead of an SSD, and battery life is like 1/2 the rMBP, it's thicker, but it's also 1/3 the price. Somehow I don't think it costs Apple $1200 for a higher-res screen, battery, and small SSD.

Apple surely has higher profit margin. But you're also getting superb build quality and superb customer support. I've have macbooks like 5 years or more. My dell was crap after 8 months and I had no luck getting any type of service on it.

 

[Mackilroy]

And that is pure bollocks. And thats pure deceit and theft in my eyes as well.

The OP is damn right to complain. I am a customer. It is not my job to know how the hardware inside an apple product will work. I trust that the company has ensured that for me. It is not my job to learn and evaluate wether the combination of an i5 cpu with an ssd and a hd4000 gfx chip work together. It is apple's job, and it is the trust i have on them that they will not offer a 2k machine with such poor poor performance.

The 13 inch model is a disgrace. I have said it before i will say it until the give it a dedicated gpu or haswell. When you put on the shelf a 2k machine labeled as your "top tier 13 inch macbook" and you put a pricetag of 2k , then your longtime customer, who expects quality from you, is not an idiot for trusting that what he will spend is going to be worth it.

It is clearly apple's fault, it is their false advertising and their unbelievably deceitful stance towards its best and most trustworthy customers.

So it's theft that Apple clearly stated what the machine had? And you're not responsible for your own decisions on what to purchase? That is bollocks. Sure, Apple makes mistakes, and there've been teething issues with the retina display, but they're not insurmountable nor grounds for accusing Apple of theft and deceit.

HD4000 is well documented but it doesnt seem to cause issues in a MBA...

and nobody can know how much power hungry a retina display is. Apple CLAIMS that this hardware is powerful fast and sufficient. And it clearly IS NOT.

And seriously, you need to stop worshiping apple so much. Before you label me as a troll look at the rest of my messages. I really like this company but I will not turn a blind eye when I see them doing stupid and missleading things with their products.

Apple did not handle the 13 rmbp properly. They should have waited for haswell or included a dedicated gfx card in it.

As has been stated, it's a software problem, not hardware. People were driving higher-resolution displays with weaker graphics cards years ago just fine.

As to your most recent post, it only showed up as I started typing this, so I'll reply here: which screen you get is out of your control. Which computer you get is not. And for every story I hear of someone with lag or a bad screen, I hear three or more of people with no lag and great screens.

 

[bushido]

well i love my 13 inch rmbp, it does what it needs to do and i dont get off on specs anyway.

and apple selling something overpriced? no shiat sherlock

people on here keep saying its $2000 machine when in fact its "only" $1750. that "difference" is a iPad Mini already