14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro Models With XDR Displays Expected to Launch Later This Year

[Flight Plan]

And very very negative and miserable.

That's a negative and miserable outlook.

Bit of a stretch - there's really very little usability difference between the screen sizes.

Here's a case where your truth isn't necessarily the same as everybody else's truth.

If that's your actual pic, then you're still a young fella, and your comment may very well be true. For you. But like it or not, you share this planet with a lot of different people, some with challenges you haven't even begun to experience yet.

If you're lucky, you'll be in your 60s when you finally realize I'm right. If not, you'll be in your 40s...or maybe even your late 30s.

Parents of college students hope they'll launch these things after August so they don't have to buy a more expensive computer before the semester starts.

Seriously, college tuition is insane. 😿

College tuition is insane because it's too easy for colleges to make money while providing a poor-to-middling product in areas of study that don't actually prepare students for functional work post-graduation.

And it's too easy because you can get money for studying just about anything without regard to the ultimate usefulness of the degree for which you're studying.

If everybody had to pay cash before class started, I submit to you that as consumers of higher education, we would all be much more discriminating about our degree choices. Hello STEM, goodby foo-foo degrees; no special government program needed.

I am prepared to give you (and most disappointed ones with the design) 30 days to love the new design.

Nice!

That would be great. Sort of like the Surface Book from Microsoft. Let’s call it the MacBook Pro... Book!

Clever branding!

Or, we could just pair up an M1 iPad Pro with a keyboard and...oh right, we already have that!

That is an excellent point about the soldered RAM etc. This time could very well be the 'golden age for Mac.

I agree, but also, the M1 being ARM, being a different architecture than X86/X64, has a lot less need for gobs and gobs of RAM. So while I can see what's being said here, I think we also need to realize that the M1 changes a lot of (ahem) core concepts.

I'll buy a 14" in a heartbeat no matter what it costs. Even trade my kid for one. Throw in my wife too!

Oh, the jokes write themselves here. I cannot resist.

Is the wife high-mileage? Asking for a friend...

 

[damphoose]

That's a negative and miserable outlook.

Here's a case where your truth isn't necessarily the same as everybody else's truth.

If that's your actual pic, then you're still a young fella, and your comment may very well be true. For you. But like it or not, you share this planet with a lot of different people, some with challenges you haven't even begun to experience yet.

If you're lucky, you'll be in your 60s when you finally realize I'm right. If not, you'll be in your 40s...or maybe even your late 30s.

College tuition is insane because it's too easy for colleges to make money while providing a poor-to-middling product in areas of study that don't actually prepare students for functional work post-graduation.

And it's too easy because you can get money for studying just about anything without regard to the ultimate usefulness of the degree for which you're studying.

If everybody had to pay cash before class started, I submit to you that as consumers of higher education, we would all be much more discriminating about our degree choices. Hello STEM, goodby foo-foo degrees; no special government program needed.


Nice!


Clever branding!

Or, we could just pair up an M1 iPad Pro with a keyboard and...oh right, we already have that!

I agree, but also, the M1 being ARM, being a different architecture than X86/X64, has a lot less need for gobs and gobs of RAM. So while I can see what's being said here, I think we also need to realize that the M1 changes a lot of (ahem) core concepts.


Oh, the jokes write themselves here. I cannot resist.

Is the wife high-mileage? Asking for a friend...

That’s an interesting world I hope I never have to live in. One were everyone has a STEM degree and no one has a, as you called it a “foo foo” degree. What a world. The social awkwardness alone....plus everyone starts a sentence with “well actually“. (I had foo foo once, it was delicious).

 

[rxp]

Anyone got any info on the anti-reflection coating progress? One of the things that shocked me about a recent Dell 4k OLED laptop purcahse was just how good the anti reflection coating was. It was better than a matte screen. Now I've used that, I find it really hard to go back to anything else - even a matte screen.

If you've not experienced it the best I can describe it is like shutting the curtains on your regular laptop display. So you can be in a damn bright room and the benefits of having good contrast are still there and you don't constantly see your face on the screen

 

[cocoua]

What about high end iMac? Forst time in my life I want a desktop vs a portable... I guess no big iMac until 2022??

 

[Fomalhaut]

Could get announced at WWDC, and ship at the end of the year, but could also be a Sept/Oct media event. But yeah, not likely anybody will actually have one before the end of the year.

Still... would be kinda awesome if they did turn up a little sooner!

I'd be in for 32GB RAM, 2TB SSD. I do realize it's quite possible we won't see higher RAM options, but it would be great if we did. I've managed on 16GB in my 16" MBP, but it does hit the wall sometimes.

I don't think a WWDC announcement followed by a 4-5 month delay is likely for the MacBook Pro. The only delay of this magnitude between announcement and availability was for the Mac Pros, and there is some justification for this given the slower business procurement cycles for these top-end (and $$$) machines.

I think Sep/Oct announcement and available within 2-4 weeks after this.

If there's a 14" MBP with 32GB RAM, that has > 50% better CPU performance than the M1 and close to 100% better GPU, then I would bite, I think. Unless it's crazy expensive....

 

[anshuvorty]

If and when these come out (the leaks, especially from that hacker group, make these products a near certainty at this point), the 16-inch Macbook Pro I purchased in 2019 is going out the window!

The specs just seem too good to be true....unless Apple does another iMac and releases an absolutely abhorrent-looking product...

 

[Fomalhaut]

Not uncommon at all for me and I suspect a great many others. Depends on the use case. It's true that where there's Ethernet there's almost certainly going to be mains power. But that doesn't mean you always want to use it. Sometimes you just need the Ethernet connection.

I also like the idea of Ethernet via the main power connection. Great for when you're based at a desk. Less clutter. But personally I'd like both options. Give us back the Ethernet port on the side of the Pro machines. If there's space for a MagSafe, then maybe there's space for a UTP port, too?

The trouble with the ubiquitous RJ45 Ethernet connector is that it's too large for most modern laptop bodies (at least without resorting to the "hinged" pop-out ports).

I think if you want Ethernet plugged into the laptop itself, you're still going to need a dongle.

This seems like a reasonable compromise if you don't want to carry a power brick with integrated ethernet socket.

 

[Fomalhaut]

If and when these come out (the leaks, especially from that hacker group, make these products a near certainty at this point), the 16-inch Macbook Pro I purchased in 2019 is going out the window!

The specs just seem too good to be true....unless Apple does another iMac and releases an absolutely abhorrent-looking product...

I've been debating what to do with my MBP16 if a really compelling 14" or 16" MBP come out this year.

I know it will drop in value after the launch of new machines (assuming they provide a similar leap in performance as the M1 did to its Intel rivals).

However, I still like the idea of having an x86 platform for software that hasn't (or won't) migrate to Apple Silicon. I have at least one piece of pro software (PixInsight) that won't be migrating to Apple Silicon. I could always dual boot it with Windows and Linux and keep my options open....

 

[marklcfc]

If this processor is going to be permanent are more software going to be compatible with it or is it going to be an ongoing problem? Alot of what I use still don't seem to be so I had to avoid it so far.

 

[EagleGSU]

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I think Sep/Oct announcement and available within 2-4 weeks after this.

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from what I read about the leaks the MacBook pros are already in the mass production phase. So maybe June wouldn’t be to much of a stretch? I doubt apple will just wanna sit on millions of stock for any longer than they have to, especially since they know the demand is there.

 

[contacos]

I do not even want to think about the new price of those ... but I want one that's why I am still holding on to my MBP from 2012!

 

[dannys1]

Here's a case where your truth isn't necessarily the same as everybody else's truth.

If that's your actual pic, then you're still a young fella, and your comment may very well be true. For you. But like it or not, you share this planet with a lot of different people, some with challenges you haven't even begun to experience yet.

If you're lucky, you'll be in your 60s when you finally realize I'm right. If not, you'll be in your 40s...or maybe even your late 30s.

Thanks for the compliment haha - i'm actually 36. I know what you mean, but actually the text is bigger on my MacBook Air than it was on the Pro - I've set it to it's max resolution to make it smaller There's lots of accessibility options for that too - sure you might get a little bit more text on a screen with 16" but I don't think it makes it any easier to actually read.

The funny thing is I didn't notice at all really goind from 16" to 13" - but then I recently picked the 16" back up and it did feel bigger (and also all the text smaller).

I mean my mother (and previously my father RIP) only "computer" was/is a 9.7" iPad - they're in their mid 70's. So it's definitly not a screen legibility issue.

 

[dannys1]

At the same time as the iPhone? Not likely.

Well last year they decided to launch a ridiculous amount of products around the same time as the iPhone.

Geuinely though you're looking at the 4th quarter at the eariest for this to launch - and then probably about 6-7 months to see the 32" iMac version with the next level up processor too.

 

[cardfan]

If anything I’m definitely not splurging on an xdr monitor like I’ve wanted to. Sounds like iMac Pro and mbp will get it anyways. Heck I can max out whatever iMac for cost of xdr monitor.

 

[cardfan]

I've been debating what to do with my MBP16 if a really compelling 14" or 16" MBP come out this year.

I know it will drop in value after the launch of new machines (assuming they provide a similar leap in performance as the M1 did to its Intel rivals).

However, I still like the idea of having an x86 platform for software that hasn't (or won't) migrate to Apple Silicon. I have at least one piece of pro software (PixInsight) that won't be migrating to Apple Silicon. I could always dual boot it with Windows and Linux and keep my options open....

My 16 will last quite awhile. If apple release a faster one this year it’ll mean nothing to me. I run windows and other things the m1 can’t. As well as external graphics. As mentioned before don’t get caught up in nonsense til devs have way more time.

 

[Sander]

It will not be branded M1X or anything like that.

Why not? I kind of like the idea of an M1X being an M1 but with more cores and more addressable memory (so it can go up to 32 or 64GB). Perhaps with a higher TDP as well. Then an M2 would be a new generation (again with the 4+4 design for portables and/or low end iMac/Mini), with improved per-core performance.

I recently put 64GB in my PC which brought my build time from >1hr to 10 minutes. It had 16GB and it was heavily thrashing (probably killing the SSD in the process). The additional memory made me completely CPU bound again, so I also upgraded my Ryzen 7 1700 to a 3900X (or whatever it's called). If Apple had announced iMacs with M1X and more optional memory, I'd have ordered one. I am now holding my breath for either a 27" version or some kind of iMac pro.

 

[mazz0]

You either gotta be Prince himself ... or super brave to rock a purple fuscha laptop.

Great work btw.

I actually think the new purple iPhone looks really good. I wouldn't buy a MacBook that looks like my rough mockups but I reckon Apple can make it look nice. I think some of the new iMac colours look lovely (especially the orange and yellow).

 

[transpo1]

if you are using wired ethernet, then you would have access to mains power in almost 100% of cases I would expect. I can’t think of a single location that I have used with wired ethernet that doesn’t also have power sockets nearby.

Well, as an outlier use case I used to bring my MBP around large venues to test Ethernet ports while in battery only. In most cases there was no power to be found anywhere near those Ethernet runs and it would have been terribly inconvenient to hook it up. I was doing live-streaming but I suspect there are other, similar IT use cases.

 

[TimFL1]

Would love for them to get FaceID… maybe next redesign cycle…

 

[cmaier]

That’s an interesting world I hope I never have to live in. One were everyone has a STEM degree and no one has a, as you called it a “foo foo” degree. What a world. The social awkwardness alone....plus everyone starts a sentence with “well actually“. (I had foo foo once, it was delicious).

The fact that you think everyone with a STEM degree is socially awkward says a lot more about you than about them.

 

[lakerchick4life]

from what I read about the leaks the MacBook pros are already in the mass production phase. So maybe June wouldn’t be to much of a stretch? I doubt apple will just wanna sit on millions of stock for any longer than they have to, especially since they know the demand is there.

Some have speculated that the June event is the best bet because of the image of the girl staring at a macbook that looks like it might have led lights..but who knows I hope so if they release the 14 inch macbook pro I will get it for sure

 

[Investor27]

Isn't it worth it to wait for another 6 months to get the 14", 2nd gen Apple silicon Macbook Pro, with mini-led, MagSafe and some legacy ports than this?

 

[Fomalhaut]

Well, as an outlier use case I used to bring my MBP around large venues to test Ethernet ports while in battery only. In most cases there was no power to be found anywhere near those Ethernet runs and it would have been terribly inconvenient to hook it up. I was doing live-streaming but I suspect there are other, similar IT use cases.

Fair enough...that's a valid use case! I think a test cable with a dongle would meet that requirement.

I use wired ethernet all the time on my workstation and Mac Minis and do appreciate not needing another dongle for these...but for a laptop? I'd rather not make the thing thicker solely to support an RC45 socket.

 

[ingambe]

Why not? I kind of like the idea of an M1X being an M1 but with more cores and more addressable memory (so it can go up to 32 or 64GB). Perhaps with a higher TDP as well. Then an M2 would be a new generation (again with the 4+4 design for portables and/or low end iMac/Mini), with improved per-core performance.

I recently put 64GB in my PC which brought my build time from >1hr to 10 minutes. It had 16GB and it was heavily thrashing (probably killing the SSD in the process). The additional memory made me completely CPU bound again, so I also upgraded my Ryzen 7 1700 to a 3900X (or whatever it's called). If Apple had announced iMacs with M1X and more optional memory, I'd have ordered one. I am now holding my breath for either a 27" version or some kind of iMac pro.

Don't think there would be a 64Gb option
SoC limits the number of LPDDR4X modules (more than two seems unlikely), maybe a 32Gb option but a 64Gb seems unlikely (I don't even know if there is a 32Gb LPDDR4X module yet)

I really hope they will provide an improved version of the M1 and not just an M1/M2 combined with a discrete GPU

 

[Sander]

Don't think there would be a 64Gb option
SoC limits the number of LPDDR4X modules (more than two seems unlikely), maybe a 32Gb option but a 64Gb seems unlikely (I don't even know if there is a 32Gb LPDDR4X module yet)

I really hope they will provide an improved version of the M1 and not just an M1/M2 combined with a discrete GPU

Samsung has 12GB versions. But you are right, it's probably not a simple matter of "adding more modules". Maybe they have something else up their sleeves with "normal" DDR as a backing store. With soldered-on and irreplaceable SSD, I'm not looking forward to buying a system and thrashing the SSD to death which would brick the entire machine :-(