Suggesting that the MBP product line is already maxed out is IMO an absurd comment. Even if you personally will never increase your tech demands on mobile hardware over the expected 5+ year life of a new MBP, many of the rest of us will. Constantly improving tech is a good thing.
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2023.
"Meanwhile, Young says that the 15-inch MacBook Air coming in 2023 will feature a 15.2-inch display."
This report is quoting well-respected Display Analyst Ross Young who's batting 95%+ when it comes to predicting Apple's display plans
Report: Redesigned MacBook Air coming this year to feature larger 13.6" display - 9to5Mac
Earlier this week, rumors emerged on the future of the MacBook Air, including the possibility of a new 15-inch model...
9to5mac.com
I am not an expert, but it seems that the gist is that N3E process is simply better, and TSMC is directing resources there. However if you are a client and want to buy chips you could choose to buy less-good N3. It ain't simple; complexities abound.
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Thank goodness for the ignore button, I don't need to see another one of your posts again.
"Rest of us will" is becoming a niche, give it a rest. The rest of us is MKBHD and iJustine. 20 years ago, everybody needed to have a tower with expandability, discrete GPUs, spinning disk. Then laptops became a thing, then smartphones and tablets.
In 15 years, the smart phone has become the vast majority primary computing device for many.
Now the trend is people are keeping their phones longer and the fact that Apple is pivoting more towards services says as much. Microsoft itself sees the writing on the wall which is why Windows 365 is now a thing. You don't need a bulking PC or laptop when you can easily remote into one and get unlimited computing power on demand if you need it.
So, I am right, there is no huge demand for computing power and a lot of what we think we want is just aspirational. We all think we need a maxed MacBook Pro, when in reality, the base model MacBook Air is probably more than enough and I am talking about the M1.
You know whats interesting, you are part of the generation that use to say, only people in white collar shirts and neckties needed a computer because the idea of a computer was a Mainframe in some cold room. There wasn't an idea of a computer being small enough to fit on a desk or do things other that store large amounts of data for a supermarket.
My point at the end of the day is, the computing power is maxed out, if anything that needs catching up is the software. Whats the point of an iPad Pro with M2 when its crippled by its very own operating system?
What’s the point in posting over and over in a thread about new MBPs when you’re not in the market for a new MBP?
Excuse you? I don't have to be in the market for a product to have a civil discussion about it. You just earned a new achievement #ignore
For a lot of this, I can't help but agree because it is true. Being in IT at the time when everyone was building towers (and having built quite a few myself, let alone servers) I've gone from building a new box every 2 years (AMD K6-II 333, Opteron, Athlon, Duron, etc.) to finally giving up on the game of chasing the latest tech when all of it is just going to do the same thing that the previous build did. Enter my return to Macs (started on them during the m68k days, let alone Apple //e). Tried a Hackintosh just to see if I could like it again, as I had a separate Windows box and a separate Linux box. Loved it enough that I built one last PC for everything I needed, dropped my Linux box, and bought a MBA. That was 2011.
I rebuilt that Windows PC 3 years ago, after it served me for a good 8, and just updated my Mac from that mid-2011 MBA to M1 Pro. For those to last me 11 years says a lot about where the market is going. I'm expecting these to last me another 10 years before I do anything with them, if I do anything with them at all.
I've seen the trends change and change again to where software needs to catch up to the hardware, if it ever does at all.
Here is where the difference lies. For this, if not an employee doing employee work for a company, a user is paying for this if they need to have that type of power on demand at all. At some point, ROI is going to exceed the cost of building something personally, where it becomes no longer affordable. Additionally, paying for that service, and access for that service, and what you do with that service doesn't protect you from any type of search and seizure, should the authorities investigate you and want to seize your data. In short, 3rd parties are not privy to your US Constitution-based 4A right.
I can't say that. For what I wanted at the time, that mid-2011 13" MBA with its Core i3-2100 4GB memory, and 256GB SSD worked for that time. But when my needs changed and needed more computing power, that MBA no longer suited my purposes. I also wasn't going to spend the additional $2500 or more for something that wasn't going to suit my purposes as well (my wife picked up various MBPs from the last few Intel runs; I swear I could use the heat from it to bake a frozen pizza).
When the M1 Pros came out, I finally jumped on it and off of my MBA (which is still running solid on Sierra); Right now, if I were to upgrade, it would only be for something cosmetic, as it depends on how much difference there is between M1 Pro and a M2 Pro, should it come out, and if a midnight black chassis is available. But other than that, I already knew that Apple products last a while; hell, my //e is still running.
I don't know how you could come to that assumption, especially since those computers that fit on a desk were available when I was 5 years old; and this is coming from someone who was managing those mainframes, servers running VMS, Ultrix, OSF/1, NeXTStep, SunOS, and was there when Linux 0.99 was released.
How about this. Instead of complaining about the point of an iPad Pro with M2, how about creating software that can use it to its fullest potential? As Dale Carnegie said:
Dale Carnegie said:
It would serve everyone to positively do something about the issue, instead of negatively put someone down about it to prop themselves up and/or make themselves feel better.
BL.
I remember when I started in IT 20 years ago interning in MIS, we had these big old heavy clunker Dell Optiplex with Windows NT 4/2000 Professional. Today, the vast majority of the enterprise where I currently work primarily Dell Latitudes and Optiplex SFF. Mind you, economies of scale have led to more sleeker designs and vastly powerful specs. Going from a Pentium III running at 1 Ghz to now 8 core i5 with 16 GBs of RAM is just amazing when you look back. I look at my own organization, Domain Join is becoming legacy although a few users need it still. Other than that, its mostly 'Cloud PCs', laptops, managed through Intune (Azure).
Huh? If the government wants to seize your data, it can no matter what, when or where its stored. So, that has no merit, its why we have Homeland security. The fact that tech workers are getting easily fired for even posting stuff on their social media page, shows, your rights are up for debate.
But that's the point, you never needed it. Apple has a line of powerful desktops, laptops and tablets. Doesn't mean you need or will ever max out any of these tiers. Some might grow into them over time and of course, if you want to future proof your technology, they might be a good investment. I look at the mission critical environment I work in and its standard 7th and 8th gen iPads and nobody is complaining.
You need to go back a little further than 1984 here. There is nothing in that picture that can fit on a desk.
Apple for years have been pushing the iPad as some next generation computer that can be just as productive as a traditional Mac or Windows PC. But since 2015 when they introduced the 12.9 iPad Pro, that aspiration has been a failure. Why, because the iPad was never intended to be that. But because Apple felt threatened by the industry, they have been trying to push this narrative that the iPad can be something its not. No, the iPad is a consumption device. The iPadOS is yet to reach a level of sophistication that would stop making it a companion device for the so called 'Pros' Apple keeps soliciting. 8 years, almost a decade and we still haven't seen a good reason why this is somehow equal or better than the Mac.
I have made my recommendations clear though, just as they built out the plumbing of iOS from OS X, they should build out the multitasking for iPadOS from macOS.
"Outdated"? What does that mean? The revision to the MBP line will be marginal, not monumental.
Outdated means it is no longer useful or capable of handling current software apps, which is ludicrous.
Umm... Dells were new at that time. Come back another 8 years with me, when I was managing the cow boxes from Gateway, let alone the 486/DX boxes.. the ones with the math co-processor. We didn't have domains to join, because there were none. Windows for Workgroups didn't even exist at the time, so we were lucky with Windows, and did our networking via Novell.
Umm.. If you are in possession of your data (physical, soft, or otherwise), you are protected by the 4th amendment of the Constitution. The government would have to get a warrant to seize the data you have in your physical possession. If you have that data stored in any cloud-based facility, you do not own that data; the owners of that facility do, and would be considered 3rd party to any investigation of you, so a warrant would not be required by the government to access your data stored with them.
Backing up that claim is this, that I posted here 9 years ago:
Your Digital Trail: Does The Fourth Amendment Protect Us?
Could government agents really get access to all your private data in less than a minute? Experts say no but warn we are moving in that direction.
www.npr.org
The TL ; DR: if the government wanted to get to your data that you have on your personal machine in your house, they would need a warrant. If the government wanted to get to your data that you have stored at in the cloud, or at a SaaS provider, they would not need a warrant; they would only need to get a subpoena issued to that provider to get to your data.
The difference:
- The warrant requires probable cause; the subpoena does not.
- Any clerk of the court can write their own subpoena and have a judge sign off on it.. Any lawyer is a clerk of the court. They could write their own subpoena, and if the judge feels it is valid, can sign off on it.
Disclaimer: I'm a Unix/Linux sysadmin, DBA, and ISO. I have been for now 30 years. I've seen these firsthand, in relation to fraud cases involved at the company I worked with at the time.
That is the difference; you are looking at one type of environment, where the needs of others may be (and is) a complete other. With me maintaining servers, especially those that are mission critical at the data centers they are housed at, they need to be future proofed, especially for the support that is needed by the vendor for them. Since you mentioned Dell, if I have to spec out a Dell PowerEdge R650 for use, you're bloody well right that I am future proofing it, so we are not spending the $5000 updating it 2 years later.
The point here is that everyone else's use case is different than yours, so you can not apply your use case across the board and call everyone wrong, based solely on your use case.
Nothing is stopping you from contributing code to give us that multitasking. Again, feel free to contribute, instead of complaining about what isn't there.
BL.
You can be in any discussion you like, but telling people that they are wrong to be interested in what the next revision will bring is kind of obnoxious.
Now? I see no press release. No news on the forums. Can you link me to the release?
Brilliant. Thanks for the link.2023.
"Meanwhile, Young says that the 15-inch MacBook Air coming in 2023 will feature a 15.2-inch display."
This report is quoting well-respected Display Analyst Ross Young who's batting 95%+ when it comes to predicting Apple's display plans
Report: Redesigned MacBook Air coming this year to feature larger 13.6" display - 9to5Mac
Earlier this week, rumors emerged on the future of the MacBook Air, including the possibility of a new 15-inch model...
The way I see it, I got my 16" at such a great price, I can, if I wanted to, Dell it next year, break even (maybe even make a small profit) and then buy the 15" MBP. But chances are, by then I'll be too accustomed to the 16" screen 😁
Do what you like of course, but not sure that was warranted. A trifle rude, perhaps, but I don't think they are wrong, are they?
I agree that software is a limiting factor in many cases, but with a large installed base of powerful computers, software will be able to evolve to take advantage of that performance to enable new features and capabilities. In theory.
Since the 1970s, there's been an age-old debate between centralized computing (at first it was mainframes and terminals) and "personal" computers (at first bulky desktops and now a wide variety of form factors including tablets and phones) and hybrids in-between. Trends come and go and then come back once again.
I take a more nuanced view about the prospect of whether we "need" more computing power. Bluetooth 5.3 is going to enable some neat functionality such as outputting audio to more than one bluetooth headset at a time. It's not a "need," but I can see it being useful in lots of different contexts, and I'll be happy if the next MBPs support it.
Similarly, I don't "need" WiFi 6E, but over time it should provide for more reliable wireless connectivity due to less congestion. I don't "need" a 10% faster CPU, but 10% more battery life is always appreciated and that sometimes comes at the same time as more performance. I could also really use better on-device voice-to-text transcription, and perhaps that will improve once there's enough highly performant chips out there.
And so it goes. I'm not currently running the latest and greatest (still on an Intel MBP), but if the next MBP ticks all these boxes for me it could tempt me to upgrade, which of course is another reason for hardware companies to continue to improve their products.
The entire point of technology is to move forward. Again, this post is as stupid as the "you'll never need more than 2 cores people". Someone says this every decade, and it's never been true and in fact today is less true than it ever has been.
Computers are actually underpowered even for the demands of today. A 40 dollar video game aimed at teenagers with some ray tracing (sounds fancy but this is really just non-primitive, basic lightning that finally has some realism in it) in it will even bring a 1000 dollar high end GPU to its knees if heavy upscaling isn't used. Similarly, loading up some 8k footage from a regular GoPro anyone might have will also bring most machines to their knees.
And of course on the advanced side we aren't remotely close to a fraction of the potential yet. Forget a simulation of the universe, you need a supercomputer for a true simulation of even a single molecule.
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