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I'm typing this on the 2020 13" model with the "new" keyboard and 10th gen. processor. It would take a LOT to make me part with this in the next few years. ;)

Me too. Sold my 2017 MBP for the weight saving (and the end of the crap keyboard).
 
That’s probably not going to happen for a while. The MacBook line seems to have a pattern popping back up every five or so years
I think the only thing holding an update of the 12" MB (hopefully slightly slimmer bezels/bigger screen in the same form factor) back is to get macOS ready for the ARM architecture. Any iPad CPU kills the baseline Macbook airs already, but doesn't require a fan.
 
I'm happy biding my time with a 2020 Air i7. Hopefully the 14" will have a no doofus touch bar option!

REAL KEYS ONLY PLEASE 🙃
So you want keys that you actually never use? As opposed to software switchable, context sensitive keys? You do know you can change the settins to have the TouchBar set to the old school keys that you love so much

really so tired of this lame argument. None of the haterbois ever seem to make a coherent explanation of why they don’t want it. Maybe that would help. It just seems like yet another sponsored falsenarrative
 
I think the only thing holding an update of the 12" back is to get macOS ready for the ARM architecture. Any iPad CPU kills the baseline Macbook airs already, but doesn't require a fan.

That's 100% false but we will not start the debate against
It's a shame that people get's fooled by "benchmark"
It's been 5+ years I hear, "A-series is superior to Intel", if Apple was late to make the switch it's for a reason
Having worked on HPC, these so called benchmark are joke and you can't trust them
 
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So according to you we’ll see an announcement of an ARM switch in the Mac on this 2020 WWDC? It will make this WWDC more fun if that’s true.
That's what two leakers are saying. There is no way around it, if ARM Macs are coming in 2021 they need to be announced at WWDC so that the Developers have enough time to adapt their applications. I suspect we'll even see some developers only ARM hardware. Either a MacBook or more likely a MacOS for ARM to install on the iPad Pro. If you look at the invite for WWDC2020 it has the same "hello" as the original Macintosh launch or the 2005 PowerPC to Intel transition, the Apple logo is cut in half with two colours. I am no Marketing guy but this looks pretty obvious nonetheless.
 
That's what two leakers are saying. There is no way around it, if ARM Macs are coming in 2021 they need to be announced at WWDC so that the Developers have enough time to adapt their applications. I suspect we'll even see some developers only ARM hardware. Either a MacBook or more likely a MacOS for ARM to install on the iPad Pro. If you look at the invite for WWDC2020 it has the same "hello" as the original Macintosh launch or the 2005 PowerPC to Intel transition, the Apple logo is cut in half with two colours. I am no Marketing guy but this looks pretty obvious nonetheless.

Does Apple do "subtle" - if so then it's a no-brainer. I am/was a Marketing guy and this seems an inspired idea.
 
It’s clear that the pandemic has disrupted parts of Apples manufacturing and supply chain leading to minor iterations of many of its products this years. Expect it to continue with exception to this falls iPhone which sounds like a all hands on deck development. Even that device might face delays. In regards to the iMac, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the same design with internal spec bumps possibly switch to SSD on higher spec models while keeping cost down with Fusion drive on lower prices models.
 
Still waiting for an upgrade to my 12" retina Macbook. The line hasn't been updated for three years now and once you go fanless and ultra slim there is no way back to a fat old laptop with a spinning fan...

I've noted that the 12" models were criticised for having slow CPU:s and while it was a fair point for the 2015 models, my 12" i7 from 2019 is as fast as the two year newer (mid 2019) Macbook air base model. Only a couple of %-point difference in Geekbench.

Holding my thumbs for new fanless Macbooks with ARM next year...

“old fat laptop”

If you think a 13/16” is fat... You must be a child. I remember early 2000’s laptops very well... Hell, I’m pretty sure I could fit 2-3 16’s in the 17” pro I had in 2012.

Your fanless laptop shares a similar processor with a tinker toy, I’m not sure what the use of that is. My NAS has a higher passmark score. What a useless device short of for teenyboppers needing to check their Facebook.
 
That's what two leakers are saying. There is no way around it, if ARM Macs are coming in 2021 they need to be announced at WWDC so that the Developers have enough time to adapt their applications. I suspect we'll even see some developers only ARM hardware. Either a MacBook or more likely a MacOS for ARM to install on the iPad Pro. If you look at the invite for WWDC2020 it has the same "hello" as the original Macintosh launch or the 2005 PowerPC to Intel transition, the Apple logo is cut in half with two colours. I am no Marketing guy but this looks pretty obvious nonetheless.

I hope you are right. Macs are hindered by Intel's inability to improve their architecture rapidly.

As a company Apple wants to control all aspects of their products. Goes back to the 70s and 80s and Steve Job's Sand idea and his frustration with Intel and the other chip makers. Silica sand goes in one end of the factory, computers come out the other. Apple controls all of the production steps.
 
So I have a 2020 MacBook Pro 13 on order but did wonder the same. In fairness I need something in the next month or two so I couldn't wait but at the same time I'd still probably have jumped on regardless.

It depends on your use case, if you mainly use your Mac for browsing, mails, Photos and mainly Apple apps then I'm sure they'll all be fine right from the get go. However I need to run Windows in Parallels and quite a wide selection of apps. Also I imagine if you need Bootcamp, that's probably going away or you'd have to run ARM based Windows (Which has a lot of issues). I remember the move from PowerPC to Intel and while there was an emulator, the performance and battery hit from it wasn't ideal plus some stuff wouldn't run regardless.

I'm in your shoes. To make the move to Catalina I need to run VMWare Fusion for my 32-bit apps like the Adobe Suite so I have no choice but to purchase a laptop with the extra power to run those apps inside a VM -- and that means the 2.3gHz 4-core with 16GB RAM.
 
And Ultra Pro: Surface Book 3 with Nvidia Quadro RTX


Not with a 15w quad-core 10th Gen CPU in a 15” laptop running at 1.3GHz and no Thunderbolt 3 versus 6-core standard with 8-core step up and 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports at very nearly the same cost in the 16” MacBook Pro. SurfaceBook 3 is just not competitive And pricing is not for what you get. Its overpriced and underpowered just like the Surface Studio. People can go bananas about them having NVIDIA GPUs, but the GPU is not the computer, no matter how much NVIDIA tries to convince people.
 
Hopefully the MacBook 16 inch 2020 comes with Tigerlake H-Series, WiFI 6 and MiniLED before it goes (if this happens) ARM.
 
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I used to be against Mac using ARM, but they’re obviously the future. I only want Apple to use them on Macbooks just so I can see how they fare against x86 hahaha
 
Your fanless laptop shares a similar processor with a tinker toy, I’m not sure what the use of that is. My NAS has a higher passmark score. What a useless device short of for teenyboppers needing to check their Facebook.

O.k. Boomer ;)

Now remember that the "tinker toy" has 100x the power of those older laptops you refer and that those were used way before there was a facebook.

Even a 2015 base model MacBook can still be used for "pro" tasks (obviously not editing 4k movies) and the minimal size and weight makes it perfect for many uses.
 
O.k. Boomer ;)

Now remember that the "tinker toy" has 100x the power of those older laptops you refer and that those were used way before there was a facebook.

Even a 2015 base model MacBook can still be used for "pro" tasks (obviously not editing 4k movies) and the minimal size and weight makes it perfect for many uses.

One does not use those words here. Yes, you know what words
 
I’m so torn right now... buy the currently refreshed rMBP 13 2020 or wait one year for the new 14 MacBook Pro? I’m still using the rMBP from 2015 and it’s still going strong, however I just wished Apple would have introduced the 14 inch right now. What’s for sure is that I’m not going to buy an Arm processor MacBook, as I cannot wait for the devs to port their apps to the arm platform. Hopefully they will use the new Ryzen processors next year 🤞

Same boat here. I honestly care more about the 14" screen than the ARM transition from a practicality standpoint (though I won't complain about ARM at all). I can easily get another year out of my 2015 rMBP, and Sidecar is legit the only real game changer for me on a new machine at the moment...and even that's a situational need and currently a minimal convenience being stuck working at home.

I keep going back and forth on just ordering a 2020 10th gen as another 5 year machine ("if you always wait for the latest device, you'll always be waiting"), grabbing an i3 MBA to flip when the 14" drops, or just waiting it out.
 
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That's what two leakers are saying. There is no way around it, if ARM Macs are coming in 2021 they need to be announced at WWDC so that the Developers have enough time to adapt their applications. I suspect we'll even see some developers only ARM hardware. Either a MacBook or more likely a MacOS for ARM to install on the iPad Pro. If you look at the invite for WWDC2020 it has the same "hello" as the original Macintosh launch or the 2005 PowerPC to Intel transition, the Apple logo is cut in half with two colours. I am no Marketing guy but this looks pretty obvious nonetheless.

Does it make sense considering the product updates they have just done? I don't see them coming out with an ARM Macbook Air months after they announce a significant refresh of the Intel Macbook Air. I don't see them doing another 12" or basic Macbook when they have the iPad Pro filling that niche now, and I also don't see OSX for iPad anytime soon. I just can't see any products that make sense for a WWDC release right now which means the ARM Macbook will probably be more like a late 2021 or WWDC 2021 reveal.

Now if they do come out with a 14" ARM Macbook capable of running the desktop OS I would be all over that.
 
Not with a 15w quad-core 10th Gen CPU in a 15” laptop running at 1.3GHz and no Thunderbolt 3 versus 6-core standard with 8-core step up and 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports at very nearly the same cost in the 16” MacBook Pro. SurfaceBook 3 is just not competitive And pricing is not for what you get. Its overpriced and underpowered just like the Surface Studio. People can go bananas about them having NVIDIA GPUs, but the GPU is not the computer, no matter how much NVIDIA tries to convince people.
I would gladly sacrifice CPU power to have a Nvidia Quadro RTX GPU, a detachable touch screen for drawing and two USB-A ports!
 
I’m so torn right now... buy the currently refreshed rMBP 13 2020 or wait one year for the new 14 MacBook Pro? I’m still using the rMBP from 2015 and it’s still going strong, however I just wished Apple would have introduced the 14 inch right now. What’s for sure is that I’m not going to buy an Arm processor MacBook, as I cannot wait for the devs to port their apps to the arm platform. Hopefully they will use the new Ryzen processors next year 🤞
I have a 2014 MBP and I say: thank you Apple. I can save money another year without gering tempted to replace it. If yours is still working fine, why upgrade, only to want the 14” in a year’s time?!
 
I'm in your shoes. To make the move to Catalina I need to run VMWare Fusion for my 32-bit apps like the Adobe Suite so I have no choice but to purchase a laptop with the extra power to run those apps inside a VM -- and that means the 2.3gHz 4-core with 16GB RAM.
How much RAM were you planning on using for one VM?
 
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