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15.4-inch Powerbooks Ramping Up?
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Exactly, and look at Intel. They just announced the Pentium 4 3.06GHz for high-end notebooks.
You know, not all notebooks need to push 4-5 hours of battery life. Many people are just fine with a slightly thicker notebook and shorter battery life for extra speed.
The Intel world has both thin low powered books and thicker high-powered ones.
Why can't Apple do this? Releasing 970 powerbooks would bring back the meaning of the word PowerBook.
You can't have your top notebook at 1GHz when the competition is 3GHz ....... I mean what a joke.
And second: You can't have these crap-ass pidly resolution screens when Dell provides an option for 3 different LCD resolutions when you purchase a notebook. Come on Apple, give us some choice.
Re: Re: powerbooks
The counterexample to that is the Powermac G3 and Powerbook G3 were both introduced in November 1997. Admittedly, the original Powerbook G3 was really just a 3400 with a G3 upgrade and the fully redesigned Powerbook G3 (WallStreet) didn't come out until May of 1998, about 6 months later.
The counterexample to that is the Powermac G3 and Powerbook G3 were both introduced in November 1997. Admittedly, the original Powerbook G3 was really just a 3400 with a G3 upgrade and the fully redesigned Powerbook G3 (WallStreet) didn't come out until May of 1998, about 6 months later.
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And its not like there isn't plenty of help on making the chipsets for notebooks out there.
AMD, IBM, and NVidia have all made chipsets and have experience with low power designs, DDR, ethernet, and hypertransport. With the way many fabs work now, where if you need a DDR memory controller, they can add it to your chip design automatically (got to love CAD libraries), or USB2, or SATA, most parts of chip design only goes to specialized components and the final chip layout.
I bet they could easily turn out a 970 notebook.
And its not like there isn't plenty of help on making the chipsets for notebooks out there.
AMD, IBM, and NVidia have all made chipsets and have experience with low power designs, DDR, ethernet, and hypertransport. With the way many fabs work now, where if you need a DDR memory controller, they can add it to your chip design automatically (got to love CAD libraries), or USB2, or SATA, most parts of chip design only goes to specialized components and the final chip layout.
I bet they could easily turn out a 970 notebook.
Re: 970 in 15
The argument that apple won't want to hurt the 17 by putting a 970 in a 15 is sort of been disproven by apple itself. isnt the 15 hut by the 12 with aluminum case and airport extreme? isn't the 12 hurt by the ibook? isn't the desktop hurt by the 17? the answer is yes to all - but isn't it nice to have lots of choices and have apple release things when they are ready instead of waiting for some magic moment when the product line up is perfect.
now if you argue that the 970 is too hot or some other technical reason then I would believe that more than the 'hurting sales' argument. SALES are already hurting due to perceived (or real) lack of speed. Apple knows this. They really want to drop moto and move on. They wont wait one more day than they have to.
The argument that apple won't want to hurt the 17 by putting a 970 in a 15 is sort of been disproven by apple itself. isnt the 15 hut by the 12 with aluminum case and airport extreme? isn't the 12 hurt by the ibook? isn't the desktop hurt by the 17? the answer is yes to all - but isn't it nice to have lots of choices and have apple release things when they are ready instead of waiting for some magic moment when the product line up is perfect.
now if you argue that the 970 is too hot or some other technical reason then I would believe that more than the 'hurting sales' argument. SALES are already hurting due to perceived (or real) lack of speed. Apple knows this. They really want to drop moto and move on. They wont wait one more day than they have to.
I hope so. If so we will be buying 4 Rev A Al970's. We got a RevA Ti400 and no regrets. In fact it even has a reset key which is occasionally handy if running pure 9.2 and Internet Explorer.
With a modern OS, processor, and most importantly of all a reasonable system bus for the very first time, this thing will be a pleasure to own and debug for Apple
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I just got confirmation that Apple will realease a 970 Powerbook. Mac OS Rumors says we won't see one, so obviously, we will!
I just got confirmation that Apple will realease a 970 Powerbook. Mac OS Rumors says we won't see one, so obviously, we will!
OK... I just have a quick question.
When the new PB does start shipping, does "shipping" mean from the apple web site or to stores or both? What I am getting at is... what will be the best way to get one... ordering from apple or do you think the stores will have them in stock? So I can just drive down the street and pick one up
When the new PB does start shipping, does "shipping" mean from the apple web site or to stores or both? What I am getting at is... what will be the best way to get one... ordering from apple or do you think the stores will have them in stock? So I can just drive down the street and pick one up
"Shipping" usually means that Apple is just starting to fulfill preorders. My advice would be to per-order from an Apple Retail Store. It's almost the same as pre-ordering from the website, but you've got actual live people to deal with. Plus, with the 12" and 17" PBs were first being pre-ordered, in-store pre-orders got free shirts and some kind of deal that I can't remember now...Originally posted by DaBeav
OK... I just have a quick question.
When the new PB does start shipping, does "shipping" mean from the apple web site or to stores or both? What I am getting at is... what will be the best way to get one... ordering from apple or do you think the stores will have them in stock? So I can just drive down the street and pick one up
Anyhoo, that's my advice.
-Pyro
G4 heat issue
Motorola will be moving the G4 to a smaller process size in the 3rd quarter (Jul-Sept), which will increase the performance of the chip by about 40%, with no increase in average watts used. So, in other words, Apple will be able to use a 1.3GHz G4 in notebooks without increasing the watts used.
In fact, Apple would be able to increase the speed of the entire computer consumer line by at least 40% when Motorola starts manufacturing these new 7457 G4s. That's due to the top performing G4s moving down through the consumer line, with the top speed of the G4 topping out at about 1.8GHz on this smaller process size.
All of Apple's computers could get a major upgrade in performance in the next couple of months and expect to see some added products like a upgradeable G4 box for consumers, another server or two and perhaps a highend workstation.
Motorola will be moving the G4 to a smaller process size in the 3rd quarter (Jul-Sept), which will increase the performance of the chip by about 40%, with no increase in average watts used. So, in other words, Apple will be able to use a 1.3GHz G4 in notebooks without increasing the watts used.
In fact, Apple would be able to increase the speed of the entire computer consumer line by at least 40% when Motorola starts manufacturing these new 7457 G4s. That's due to the top performing G4s moving down through the consumer line, with the top speed of the G4 topping out at about 1.8GHz on this smaller process size.
All of Apple's computers could get a major upgrade in performance in the next couple of months and expect to see some added products like a upgradeable G4 box for consumers, another server or two and perhaps a highend workstation.
Re: G4 heat issue
Most recent reports (The Register) point to Q4 delivery. But ship dates are highly unpredictable with Moto. I think they originally announced Q2 delivery.
Personally I think the 7457 (pin compatible with current mobos) will make it into the PBs before the 970s. But there seems to be a vocal contingent here who's sure of the 970. But the WWDC is only a week away so it seems rather pointless to argue. We'll know soon enough.
Most recent reports (The Register) point to Q4 delivery. But ship dates are highly unpredictable with Moto. I think they originally announced Q2 delivery.
Personally I think the 7457 (pin compatible with current mobos) will make it into the PBs before the 970s. But there seems to be a vocal contingent here who's sure of the 970. But the WWDC is only a week away so it seems rather pointless to argue. We'll know soon enough.
All this hype about the 970 15" PB seems a little extraneous...it won't happen in the mid-size one, for sure...but, to tell you the truth...
As a college student, and an avid Mac fan, iBooks just don't cut it for me. Neither does the 12" PB (though it is cute and compact), since it only runs the 867 processing speed. I am EAGERLY awaiting a 15" update - besides the 1gHz processor, it's lower price and smaller size makes it much more appealing to me than the gargatuan (yet drool-worthy) 17" monster.
In short -
If Apple would just update the 15" with the side ports (instead of that nasty back flap thing), give it the nice, soild keyboard, and maybe Firewire 800, I think I'd be just fine.
Is there any "solid" rumor that indicates the 15" update is forthcoming? How soon? Email me with responses.
As a college student, and an avid Mac fan, iBooks just don't cut it for me. Neither does the 12" PB (though it is cute and compact), since it only runs the 867 processing speed. I am EAGERLY awaiting a 15" update - besides the 1gHz processor, it's lower price and smaller size makes it much more appealing to me than the gargatuan (yet drool-worthy) 17" monster.
In short -
If Apple would just update the 15" with the side ports (instead of that nasty back flap thing), give it the nice, soild keyboard, and maybe Firewire 800, I think I'd be just fine.
Is there any "solid" rumor that indicates the 15" update is forthcoming? How soon? Email me with responses.
