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I appreciate you clarifying this, but this indefensible behavior by Apple (in Bold).

Clicking the "i" to go MAKE SURE you know what you're getting should NEVER in a million years automatically select Tahoe.

I think it's important to not in any way massage this to be sort of "ok" with some qualifiers or caveats here.
Except it does and should, because Tahoe is the most recent upgrade. Why wouldn’t it select the actual most recent version by default?
 
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Thank you for this - would not have detected this otherwise! Am not upgrading to Tahoe until next year at least, when most bugs will hopefully be remedied 🤞. Very disappointed in Apple's behaviour - I switched from Windows last year, but have become rather disillusioned with Apple also since - especially in comparison to how they used to be.
Tahoe is honestly not that buggy. I’ve ran it since B1 and it’s been incredibly stable, especially as of 26.2. I personally do not believe that there is a reason to wait until next year.
 

How on earth is this not front page news?!

Because it’s not newsworthy. Apple ALWAYS selects the most recent major release by default, not the patch update for the version you’re on. This has been the default behaviour for literally years. @turbineseaplane created a literal nothingburger in my opinion.

This is the default option for iOS updates as well.
 
if anyone cares I won t update anything from  again.
they simply cannot develop adequate software and are very deceptive as this thread proves.
as  wants to control OUR computers now!

now..... how bout dem C'boys!
I heard people making much the same comment back in the 1980s and 1990s about Apple Computers.
 
Tahoe and the bundled Safari were officially released with 20 known security issues.
Let that sink in.
Apple only acted after 3rd-party reports of successful breaches.
Only two of the fixed security issues were actively exploited, the others were fixed prior to exploit. Another nothingburger. Security vulnerabilities are discovered and found all the time, there’s no evidence to point to Apple knowing about these issues and letting them be actively exploited prior to them being fixed.
 
I heard people making much the same comment back in the 1980s and 1990s about Apple Computers.
Not me, I used them at work though the bombs and error were annoying, that was better than paste-up!
and had a computer, Cateye on my two racing bicycles handlebars Fuji Finest and a Pinarello Banesto!

 has lost their reputable computer and support perspective these past two years.
 
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After I ran the 15.7.3 update on my 2018 Mac mini (16/512/6-core i5), I found the Mac powered down instead of rebooted. It took a few tries to get it started. First, the boot progress bar made a few big jumps and the Mac shut down again. On repeated power cycles, I got the big white on black error screen, then a small error window, then finally the desktop. I did a safe boot after that, then a normal boot. Seems OK now.
 
Yes. What many of us long time Apple customers lament is that Apple used to be the head-and-shoulders above better choice and seem to have now settled for being merely “the lesser of evils.” And with trust issues like the one in this thread and similar, sneaky “forced but not really” update patterns in iOS they are actively working to chip away at that delta.
You could go back through the history of this very forum and find similar posts about robbing people of the ability to connect their Firewire camcorders to their Mac or even their headphones. You could argue the last one was a 'dark patern' to encourage the sale of wireless options.

People are free to do what they like with their own devices but from a corporate point of view Apple doesn't want the fragmented OS pie chart Android has become. These corporations aren't our friends.
 
Not me, I used them at work though the bombs and error were annoying, that was better than paste-up!
and had a computer, Cateye on my two racing bicycles handlebars Fuji Finest and a Pinarello Banesto!

 has lost their reputable computer and support perspective these past two years.
Hopefully you crashed on your bikes less often than your Macs back then!
 
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Hopefully you crashed on your bikes less often than your Macs back then!
I enjoyed that joke, thanks!

really our Macs did bomb once a day back in 1990
as several typesetters would call our names when that happened.

for the record I crashed twice on those bicycles,
1987 during a race, flat tire inform of me, cyclists stoped suddenly as that broke my hand.
and 1986 on decent a car stoped in my path I tumbled over the hood as I fracture the other wrist, ouch!
 
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Tahoe is honestly not that buggy. I’ve ran it since B1 and it’s been incredibly stable, especially as of 26.2. I personally do not believe that there is a reason to wait until next year.
I don’t know why lots of people who have upgraded (not updated) to 26 are so pushy, agressive and judgemental toward those who don’t want to.
 
Nope, Give me Monterey or Windows10 for me!
Quite right. Monterey and Cubase 12 - still use it. MBP 2013 with Firewire. But that computer is a practice-room scrapbook. I have a 2015 Thunderbolt MBP spare, for when, or if, the 2013 fails.
I keep a 2014 i7 6700 PC here for legacy gaming, and that is Win 10.
As a partially sighted musician, producing (and I mean producing) professional work here on an M4 Mini, the thought of Cubase 14 in Tahoe’s compulsory Liquid Glass is not one I would contemplate.
Neither would I contemplate Cubase 15 at present either. But that’s another story.
I’m over a year behind the curve I know, but if you trendsetters want to crack on, then do so.
Sequoia 15.7.3 is performing well here. I needed it for Cubase 14, otherwise I’d be on Monterey. I don’t need the internet active, as I validate my peripheral VST drives on another ‘sacrificial’ Mac. Any updates are done using a virus-checked pen-drive. iCloud is meaningless to me.
So there is no reason for me to update to Tahoe.
 
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You could go back through the history of this very forum and find similar posts about robbing people of the ability to connect their Firewire camcorders to their Mac or even their headphones. You could argue the last one was a 'dark patern' to encourage the sale of wireless options.
A dark pattern refers to a UI designed to deceive (trick) users into making a choice, not a hardware configuration decision, but I get your point.

People are free to do what they like with their own devices but from a corporate point of view Apple doesn't want the fragmented OS pie chart Android has become. These corporations aren't our friends.
Exactly (bolded fragment). So why play games like trying to hide updates for an OS version many choose to have (such as iOS 18.7.3), or try to trick people into updating to a new version? Anything less than a straightforward selection of choices (subject to your currently installed version) just looks shady.

I may have missed it, but I don’t recall anyone saying Apple should support the older OS forever, so fragmentation is not an issue for Apple. But if/when we move to the newer version is still our choice to make.
 
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A dark pattern refers to a UI designed to deceive (trick) users into making a choice, not a hardware configuration decision, but I get your point.


Exactly (bolded fragment). So why play games like trying to hide updates for an OS version many choose to have (such as iOS 18.7.3), or try to trick people into updating to a new version? Anything less than a straightforward selection of choices (subject to your currently installed version) just looks shady.

I may have missed it, but I don’t recall anyone saying Apple should support the older OS forever, so fragmentation is not an issue for Apple. But if/when we move to the newer version is still our choice to make.
It’s probably a lot lower than they might have liked. My theory is that they need more anonymous user data for the upcoming AppleOS27 improvements.
 
It’s probably a lot lower than they might have liked. My theory is that they need more anonymous user data for the upcoming AppleOS27 improvements.
In this case, given that any improvement is welcome even in 26... they should start work on 26.3 and actively involve users, first and foremost by following up on existing feedback. No more new features for now, just improvements, without waiting for 27. "Snowy air Tahoe" ;)
 
In this case, given that any improvement is welcome even in 26... they should start work on 26.3 and actively involve users, first and foremost by following up on existing feedback. No more new features for now, just improvements, without waiting for 27. "Snowy air Tahoe" ;)
Now that Alan Dye is gone I imagine OS27 will largely be a firefighting job.
 
Now that Alan Dye is gone I imagine OS27 will largely be a firefighting job.

I sure hope so.

The 26 OSes are a dumpster fire

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I don’t know why lots of people who have upgraded (not updated) to 26 are so pushy, agressive and judgemental toward those who don’t want to.
The message you are replying to is one of the least pushy, aggressive, or judgmental posts I've read in this thread.

If we're going to start baselessly speculating about peoples' motivations, maybe we should take a second look at the accusation that Apple has set up a "dark pattern" (oooh, scary) to the nefarious end of encouraging people to upgrade to their latest free operating system. Which, of course, they aren't even doing, because the entire premise of this thread was incorrect to begin with.
 
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