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I still think bringing back the 12" MacBook — with at least two Thunderbolt ports, please! — would be an amazing product. I would buy one in an instant. It's still the best laptop I've ever owned.
 
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Never the less, he's right, you do lose the portability & power with it.....and you're both making assumptions about what the users want from this type of lap top 😊
Oh, i know that some people want power and some people want portability. I was just arguing against an assumption that all/most people would reject a 15” Air because it is not as powerful as a Pro or as portable as a 13” Air.

I know people who feel that a 13” screen is too small and would like something bigger but don’t want to pay for a 16” MBP and have no need for that kind of power.
 
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Of course, we are at the end of the circle. Everyone is waiting for M3 / M3 Pro. And there is no sense to upgrade M1 / M2 Air to this notebook.
 
The lineup is a bit of a mess at the moment.

13 Macbook pro (with Touch Bar)
13 MacBook air
14 MacBook pro
15 MacBook Air
16 MacBook pro
Apple is like pre Steve Job's era Apple.
too many products to choose from.
some one should wakeup and kill 50% of the products Apple is making now.
MBP Air would be good enough for 95% of the people.
they should offr just one pro model.
 
Another misjudgment like the 14 plus? Too many options in the lineup?
I said from day one, it was not as good as the hype and these sales figures don't surprise me.
Half of what was forecast, particularly a forecast made before the downturn, could still be a lot of sales. Plus maybe people are waiting for the M3.

I agree it's disappointing they're nerfing all the base M-series chips to 2 displays total (so 2 externals for the base Mini, and 1 external for the Airs, 13" MBP, and iMac); there's no functional reason they couldn't support more.
I bet sales would be higher if they didn’t nearly double the price for $200-worth of memory/storage upgrades.
Not following; the 15" is only $100 more than an equally-equipped 13".
 
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Yup for $640!

A graphic designer laughed at me when I told them I wanted a high end Mac. He straight up said you’re asking for a device that you can’t even begin to understand what it’s for and have zero use for it.

Then we got people here saying “sales are low because you didn’t release the M3” lmao. Bro get real. This isn’t thr 90s where a computer went from 133 mhz to 500mhz and it was the biggest change ever.
MBP last lot longer than windows laptop.
I would buy MBP for UI, trackpad, battery life.
Windows laptops advertise 18 hours battery life, can't last for 5 hours in real life
 
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Apple is like pre Steve Job's era Apple.
too many products to choose from.
some one should wakeup and kill 50% of the products Apple is making now.
MBP Air would be good enough for 95% of the people.
they should offr just one pro model.
What is wrong and confusing about having a consumer and professional line in two sizes each? Size is an important factor in a laptop and not everyone wants the same size.

The 13” MBP is not really a consumer product. Most reports suggest that it is mainly purchased by corporations who buy them in bulk to meet a specification and get a very good deal on them.
 
The 13” MBP is not really a consumer product. Most reports suggest that it is mainly purchased by corporations who buy them in bulk to meet a specification and get a very good deal on them.
I've heard that, but never an explanation for why. Do the corporations care about the fan and Touch Bar? Or is it simply that Apple can offer the corporations a special deal on these because they need to use up the backstock for the old form factor?
 
Not following; the 15" is only $100 more than an equally-equipped 13".
My bad… I was referring to Mac sales in general, and how small upgrades can nearly double the cost of the computer. $1,299 is a good deal, until you’re paying out the ass for upgrades that you want. It’s a deterrent for people to upgrade.

For me personally, this is enough to make me not buy the laptop I want. When Apple reduces storage upgrade pricing in the future, all used Macs will suddenly drop in value by a significant margin. An $800 SSD today could cost $200 in October, but only if Apple decides to.

But, hell, this is an Apple forum. 90% of MacBook buyers probably don’t even keep this stuff in mind.
 
I don’t have the numbers to back this up, but I think this might be the worst it’s ever been, as far as the disparity between the upgrade prices and real value of components.

2TB NVMe SSDs go for under $100, and Apple charges $800 for that same amount of storage. Did Apple charge 700% markup on storage in the past?

We live in a time where users SHOULD be able to store all of their data locally and internally, but Apple decides that’s a premium feature, so you need to pay them $700 in pure profit for virtually zero extra labor and parts on their end.
Yep, that's beyond apple tax, that's apple rob.
 
To be slightly fair, the $100 2tb nvme will not be directly comparable, but it is still easily 4-5x as much, 2x would be 'reasonable', maybe.
Come on.

A stick of 2TB WD SN850X went on sale at $89.99 last month on Amazon. It is a top class consumer gen4 NVMe SSD, its sequential performance is 4 to 5 times higher than what you get on a base 256GB M2 gen Mac due to Apple's single-NAND gimping issue. A good Thunderbolt enclosure these days can also cost just around $100, which reduces the SSD's speed by more than half but still better than Apple's base 256GB.

So literally, for the same $200 you can get 2TB of external storage where Apple offers you from 256GB to 512GB, for the same performance.
 
Funny how people make all these predictions and claims while not having a clue what Apple's own expectations are for this product.


Windows handle ram differently.
What difference is there between Windows and MacOS in terms of memory management?
 
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