Shouldn't you be getting a credit for the 256gb of ssd that you're not getting? Besides your initial post claimed that Samsung is charging DOUBLE of what Apple is doing. Also in 2 years that 1TB SSD will be going for $200-$300 (or even less given how much SSD prices have cratered in the last couple of years) while you'll be still stuck paying the same exorbitant Apple prices.
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15-Inch MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Has Non-Removable SSD
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The point is that there is now a problem that wasn't a problem before.
Without sounding too pedantic, I honestly feel dumped on as a long-time Mac user. I can remember building my own PC, getting a PC laptop, and moving to the golden land of OSX with my first iBook. I've since had MacBook, a 2nd hand titanium PowerBook, and then my first brand new MBP, the 2011 15", which I still have to this day. The only reason that machine has lasted so long and continues to run so well is because I have been able to take the lid off and perform user upgrades - 2 ram upgrades, more recently an SSD gave the machine a completely new lease of life, and just a month ago I put in a new battery. The only problem for me is, my realtime audio-visual work I do on the machine is ever so slightly too much for this machine. For any other normal use it would be fantastic.
The main thing that hurts me about this new generation MBP is Apple have just given us no options. When the Retina was released, they also updated all current models and the Air. This time, they discontinued the dGPU Retina at release of the of the Touch Bar MBP.
That is the absolute worst part about this whole thing. Giving users no option who wanted the ports, a user configurable SSD, an upgraded GPU and CPU. It just feels like such a big F U.
I feel pressured to buy a 1.5 year old machine as a result, in a refurbished 15". That's such a shame to have to buy 1.5 year old tech.
It just feels so strange to be thinking about Windows again - something I detest - after 10 years with Mac.
Maybe it's a pedantic post, but as a true Pro user, this is a big part of my life, these are my tools.
At a time when one needs a replacement workhorse laptop, for once the market feels somewhat fragmented. I'm honestly not sure what to do next. I absolutely love macOS, but the hardware and price is no longer compelling.
The main thing that hurts me about this new generation MBP is Apple have just given us no options. When the Retina was released, they also updated all current models and the Air. This time, they discontinued the dGPU Retina at release of the of the Touch Bar MBP.
That is the absolute worst part about this whole thing. Giving users no option who wanted the ports, a user configurable SSD, an upgraded GPU and CPU. It just feels like such a big F U.
I feel pressured to buy a 1.5 year old machine as a result, in a refurbished 15". That's such a shame to have to buy 1.5 year old tech.
It just feels so strange to be thinking about Windows again - something I detest - after 10 years with Mac.
Maybe it's a pedantic post, but as a true Pro user, this is a big part of my life, these are my tools.
At a time when one needs a replacement workhorse laptop, for once the market feels somewhat fragmented. I'm honestly not sure what to do next. I absolutely love macOS, but the hardware and price is no longer compelling.
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Yes there was. If you only have one copy of your data then you have a big problem. No matter whether that one copy is on SSD, magnetic tape, or punch cards.
In all seriousness, all forum bravado aside, you should be backing up your data on a regular basis, ideally to multiple drives in multiple locations and/or to the cloud. If you don't care about your data that's totally cool, but eventually you'll collect data you care about (family photos, financial records etc) and you'll need to learn how to manage and backup your data properly.
In the perfect world, everything would be completely backup right when the logic board failed and data wouldn't be loss.
The problem is that this isn't a perfect world.
Right. And that's why you need to backup. And when you do have a good backup strategy your data losses are minimized.
I've learned the hard way, and I've had HDD failures occur when I HAVE had very recent backups.
I'll take the latter experience every single time.
In the article it says they're used for cooling and reduced weight. It's probably air flow channels.
Oh boo hoo, all of you haven't stopped whining about it, yet any MacBook Pro after 2013 has been nearly impossible to upgrade. Third party SSD didn't exist until last year and they won't let you boot camp. The only good thing about removable is the fact that if it breaks, you can swap it instead of the whole board.
Mid 2012 maxx'd out still is one of the best computers around, upgradeable beyond specs of newest 2016 macbooks for storage, equal for RAM.
There is one more thing:
it's our decision to buy that machine, or not. i won't.
Well, I can't install two storage drives on a MacBook Pro Retina and set up a RAID 1, can I?
sorry, you can only do that with the cMBP 2011 and 2012 models ;-) just get the raid 1 dongle for MBP 2016 ;-) ...
Nope. But you can TM to an external drive. Or NAS. Or use iCloud, Amazon Cloud, Crashplan or whichever.
I'm not a big fan of the 2016 MBPro and not going to buy one. But the soldered SSD is the LEAST of my concerns, especially when it comes to data loss.
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The batteries can also swell when they heat. Isn't the Samsung Explosion fiasco potentially due to them being packed in too tight? Maybe Apple learned something there.
So what you are saying is that I am suppose to have finished making backup right before the logic board fails.
Feeling better about picking up an unopened 2015 MBP 15" for $1600 off eBay, already watching prices at OWC on their SSD upgrades with Envoy enclosures.
But what if the SSD fails? It's true that there is a loss mechanism here that wouldn't otherwise exist, but since it's just likely that the SSD fails as that some other component fails, why on earth not backup?
Not good: being able to upgrade the RAM and the hard drive have kept my old MacBook Pro from 2010 working well for other members of my family.
Without that sort of ability the worth of the machine is much reduced. Once it's past the Apple care point there's nothing more you can do. It wouldn't encourage me to buy a new one.
Without that sort of ability the worth of the machine is much reduced. Once it's past the Apple care point there's nothing more you can do. It wouldn't encourage me to buy a new one.
I'm the one who provided the photos and the commentary that they're potentially used for cooling and weight savings. I don't get how they've been able to get away with tightly packed batteries for the past four years in the MBPs. It's likely they're pulling air through these gaps, but there's no indication that it's absolutely necessary unless the Radeon Pro 450-60 are drawing significantly more heat than previous gens.
It's probably for weight over anything. I personally would pay a premium to a third party company who can fit larger cells in here - I'm already not too happy with the battery life in my preliminary 2 days of use. There's quite a bit of empty space around the cells.
You should back up with sufficient frequency such that if the SSD itself dies you can stomach what was lost at that point. So if you can't stand to lose more than 15 minutes work, you should backup every 15 minutes. etc. Your backup strategy needs to be tailored to your tolerance to data loss.
Again, one nice solution, assuming internet access, is using dropbox or iCloud to continuously replicate changes into the cloud (and thus onto your other macs or PCs as well).
But if you don't backup frequently enough, then you are taking the risk that if something goes awry in such a way that the data on the disk cannot be retrieved (e.g. the SSD itself dies, or you can't get into target disk mode), you lose everything since the last backup.
The delta risk here is that if something on the motherboard other than the SSD dies, and that death also prevents target disk mode (which is a subset of possible motherboard failures), then you lose data you might not have otherwise lost.
Not a lot of merit to this though when the past models have all been tight packed, and the 13" non Touch Bar model is tight packed - Apple doesn't suffer from the battery explosion issue.
This is such BS from .
Vote with your wallets folks, don't buy this crap.
Vote with your wallets folks, don't buy this crap.
Which you would also have if the motherboard dies to the degree that target disk mode doesn't work.
As someone who has experienced logic board failures on 2, yes 2, Macbook Pros I really don't like this. Not only do I like the piece of mind being able to upgrade/update the drive when I see fit but in the event of logic board failure, it is nice to be able to pull the drive to retrieve data!
I guess I am stuck in my ways a bit on this one but man this just kind of pisses me off. Oh well, I'm not their target customer this go around.
Edited: I made my post straight from the 1st page and how ironic the people above me are talking about logic boards and backups. Exactly my point!
I guess I am stuck in my ways a bit on this one but man this just kind of pisses me off. Oh well, I'm not their target customer this go around.
Edited: I made my post straight from the 1st page and how ironic the people above me are talking about logic boards and backups. Exactly my point!