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This. This is where computers are going, like it or not. One day we will have friggin Minority Report-style glass panels for computers and people will complain "I can't swap the hard drive out?"
If that is the case why haven't they adapted touchscreen for their Mac lineup???
 
Yeah good idea. Pay extra on top of a price increase on top of an already overpriced machine. /s

If Apple stood by the quality of their products they would give 3 years of warranty by default in their pro machines. As it is, given that Apple is offering consumer / prosumer products and service, the value of those machines is pretty bad since you can't upgrade or replace any part, just like the 2013 Mac Pro.

If you think Macbooks don't fail you haven't been with Apple long enough.

Didn't say MacBooks don't fail. In fact I service them for a living so I am QUITE familiar.

Please name one computer manufacturer in the US that offers a free 3-year warranty. If it were up to users, they would get free repairs for life! But that's just not the case. Consumer electronics warranties are regulated by the FTC, so maybe you should file a complaint with the government. In Italy, Apple has been forced by govt regulations to provide a 2 year warranty.
 
Well! That's great
 

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When you buy Apple you are ultimately paying for design here people, let's not forget this fundamental reasoning ok...
 
No one can be surprised right? Its been years since the SSD was user removable in an Apple laptop..
 
SSD is one of the first to die? Got some stats on that? Having worked as an ACMT for 6 years, I can tell you that SSD failure is not that common. In fact, I see more fried logic boards than SSDs

It seems to me that the external GPU is the first to die, at least based on my experience owning 10 different macbooks over the years.
 
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Really, it's not that big of an issue as long as you purchased enough space for yourself.

You can still make this SSD last 10+ years. The way you use the device will just have to change.

Use it like this.

If you have 200 GB of stuff you want to put on it you need at least 400 GB or the 512 GB option (480).
You then put your 200 GB of stuff on the drive and then THANKFULLY because the OS is stable, you just have your macOS install on the internal drive with your apps, and you won't or shouldn't have to re-install your OS like 15 times that would be STUPID. Your OS is installed and updated like 5 times a year so that's about 50 times you have to scramble your data with an update. And if you have the extra "Double Amount" TRIM Support will help you survive, as long as you have the extra 200 GB of space.

But if you do heavy video, audio, photo work, you better invest in an External Type-C drive to store your WORK data, which thankfully to Thunderbolt 3 will be lightning fast.

So as long as your STABLE OS is there updated at most 50 times, with the Apps getting their updates, and you have minimal writes to your SSD, WITH the EXTRA double space, for TRIM support you will be FINE.

But if you have a 256 GB and you max it out with the 200 GB and you write some video files with audio files quite a bit on the internal SSD you would probably get around 3-5 years...

OTHERWISE 2015...
 
As if the design was not bad enough... now we know that the drive is fix into the logic board??
THis is a joke...

That's nothing. Would you believe the microprocessor is ALSO fixed to the main board? How are we supposed to upgrade with those cheap processors you can buy on eBay?

;-)
 
The new white Apple design history book was conceived by Jony's as his retirement memoire. The super-thin MBP with the soldered SDD is his "f*** you" statement. Jony, Timmy, Eddie, Phil: they all have f***-you money. Hilarious how Macrumor's readers think Jony or any senior Apple exec cares. They only care about being perceived as "visionaries". Jony stopped caring a long time ago. Soldering the SDD to the mother-board has a ton of implications already discussed in this thread: my GPU fails and I lose a hugely important file because I could not backup in time, I am helpless when my GPU fails until Apple replaces the MB, my non-removable SDD is a huge security issue, etc. Well folks Jony's gonna retire. The white book documents his dedication and contribution to "humanity". So the soldered SDD is Jony's final F*** YOU. Here's what Jony thinks: "I am f****** rich enough now to dedicate my life to designing Xmas trees and attending fashion parties. You pros going to need to buy my new MBP, and put up with all the sh** I can drop on you because I AM F****** Jony Ive. Thinner is better you f***S. I know because I was be-knighted by the Queen. Go back to your miserable mis-informed lives. And, by the way, it f***ing is pronounced 'Aluuumineeeum by the Queen (who be-knighted me)." Signed Jony.
 
There are plenty of instances where data WILL be lost. Unless you're using a constant replication method (you wont be) there is always the risk of loss.

No, the poster said "ALL" your data. Not "all your data since your last backup" or "some of your data".

If you never backup any of your data and your data matters to you, you're an idiot. Sorry, nothing personal. I hope you're not in that category.
 
I just happened to buy a used 2009 MacBook Pro as my first Mac this week. I already have an 8GB RAM upgrade and second storage caddy to replace the optical drive. It's funny that my 7 year old machine is being used as a new one for me thanks to its upgrades.

Imagine these 2016 MacBooks in 7 years.

There won't be many left..Apple designed everything with minimal shelf life now..TC's way of accounting brilliance..
 
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HOW STUPID APPLE! PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE! I WILL WAIT UNTIL APPLE BRINGS BACK SOCKETED RAM AND REMOVABLE SSDs!

I think you are going to be waiting an awfully long time for that. Many people thought that the convergence of the iPad and the Mac would come in the form of the OS, but it ended up coming in the form of the hardware.

Apple doesn't really seem very interested in catering to customerswho want expandable or user-serviceable computers. In truth, this is probably a bigger mental problem than it is a real-world one, as only a small portion of users were upgrading their SSDs in their previous-version MBPs (and I suspect than an even smaller percentage actually had SSD failures), but I totally understand why people want to at least feel as though they have some options with regard to upgrading their machines.
 
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Does anyone have any info on logic board failure rates, eg have they declined since 2012 or have they increased since Apple went on a soldering frenzy?
 
No, the poster said "ALL" your data. Not "all your data since your last backup" or "some of your data".

If you never backup any of your data and your data matters to you, you're an idiot. Sorry, nothing personal. I hope you're not in that category.

I suggest one DOES use constant replication at least for important files. It;s not so hard to do now, with either Dropbox (i use it to constantly mirror my "work documents" folder) or the Siera iCloud desktop/documents replication. That strategy has save me hours of work when my MBP has died (2 different machines went down due to eGPU problems). Just picked up my MBA and kept working. When one of the machines came back with a wiped drive, between time machine and the Dropbox replication i lost nothing.
 
No, the poster said "ALL" your data. Not "all your data since your last backup" or "some of your data".

If you never backup any of your data and your data matters to you, you're an idiot. Sorry, nothing personal. I hope you're not in that category.

You lose all your data (that you have been working on)

It's implied, but thanks for trying to manipulate what I said.
 
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