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People, you should learn how to position your laptops. Dont treat your mbp as your wives, whom you nitpick at every small imperfection and grow dismay at how she put her forks and knives after a meal.

I treat my rMBP as my servant, you learn to forget and forgive his flaws when he is being very productive. Even though you've been paying good money for his service.

The fan issue is more trivial than trivial. I have learned over the years that there has to be a thousand threads about every tiny issues for every Mac products apple has ever produced. And you'll forget all about it in exactly 3 months from now.
 
After a tremendous amount of research here's what I know. The ultra pricey 768GB option is a Samsung SSD.

Wow, thanks macosx! I hope you're right. It helps to clarify my decision on which model to get. I was leaning towards getting it maxed-out anyway, but my brother's experience and many in this thread have made me hold back for some time.

It's just getting to the stage that I'm desperate though because my Mac Pro is in storage while I move into a hostel and I have a 1.5 hour each-way train ride to work (yeah stability isn't my strong point).

If anyone finds a 768 Gb SanDisk in Early 2013 rMBP please let us all know!
 
People, you should learn how to position your laptops. Dont treat your mbp as your wives, whom you nitpick at every small imperfection and grow dismay at how she put her forks and knives after a meal.

I treat my rMBP as my servant, you learn to forget and forgive his flaws when he is being very productive. Even though you've been paying good money for his service.

The fan issue is more trivial than trivial. I have learned over the years that there has to be a thousand threads about every tiny issues for every Mac products apple has ever produced. And you'll forget all about it in exactly 3 months from now.

If you use your MBP in an audio recording setup it's very annoying when the fan is starting to blow randomly and insanely. I had it with my 1st gen MacBook Air (that carried a conventional hard disk). My current MBA with solid state disk is much better in that regard.
 
The guy needs to get his priorities straight. His first problem is he needs to reevaluate how much Coldplay is in his music library, the cooling fan is a distant problem in comparison. :(

I can live with his with Coldplay content in his music library...being the 2nd most over rated group of all time. Now if it were U2, THE most over rated group of all time, well, I'd have a serious issue with his music library. :eek:

In that vein, if i see just one more photo of Paul David Hewson, aka, Bonehead, er, I mean, Bono, with the wind blowing in his face wearing those pink sun glasses and arms out stretched, well, i just may puke!
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If you use your MBP in an audio recording setup it's very annoying when the fan is starting to blow randomly and insanely. I had it with my 1st gen MacBook Air (that carried a conventional hard disk). My current MBA with solid state disk is much better in that regard.

I am a composer and I bring my laptop on stage and in studios all the time. I am not saying that the fan is acting as it should be at all times, however, I just do not see this as a problem; if it is, it is the most trivial of the trivial problems one should have with their computers.

The thing is, comparing to older MBP models (and the notorious iMac and even my mac pro tower) my rMBP is wayyyy quieter. And the irregular fan revs usually comes and goes in a matter of seconds. It is really hard for me to justify this as a "problem" per se.

I never suggest bringing your laptop in the same room if you intend to use a condenser anyways.
 
Hmm. Mine is fine... Although I have a Samsung SSD. Sandisk's are much slower. Oh, and I'm running Lion.

No sense staying with Lion, Mountain Lion is even faster especially on Retina. Update don't be lazy
 
Mine has the Sammy SSD but it kicks the fans on regular basis having a few apps open mostly chrome with 10-15 tabs iTunes. I'm kind a used to the sound as I hear it often, while using XCode or just playing Diablo III .. Some times I feel it's gonna fly off the table like jumbo 747 at full throttle.
 
I think it's just a characteristic of the rMBP. I have friends that have them and if you so much as use iPhoto for a few minutes, the fans will be at full blast. Makes you wonder if they designed the fans to be quieter for a reason.
I've got a 1st gen 15" 2.6GHz. Fans have never been a problem for me... Only ever hear them if I'm using FCPx or running a 3D game.

Fans are much quieter than my old 1st gen white MacBook.
 
I was hoping for a retina MBA this year or next, but now I'm a little worried with these SSD issues.
In my experience you have to take these forum posts with a pinch of salt. There is a concentration of people with issues here because they search the web for people with similar problems. I'm not taking anything away from the people with issues, because I've done exactly the same! But I think you can buy an Apple product with confidence.

I personally wouldn't worry about a fan issue. I had similar issues with my old white MacBook and received an EFI update that sorted it. Very unlikely to be a hardware issue.
 
To be clear this is a real issue!

Since I released my video and emailed it to Tim Cook, I got a call from Apple on behalf of Tim Cook to tell me they are now working with engineers to fix the issue.

Now I have the email of a guy working on this issue and he will keep me posted.

Check my Twitter for more updates on this issue.
 
I could hardly be convinced that SSD could cause fan issues. I am using cMBP with a 3rd party HDD, Kingston 16GB RAM and nearly six months now I have never experienced any kind of fan issues. The fans run up when they are supposed to be, like running Handbrake to convert a blu-ray video which take hours or so and causes heavy CPU load.

I believe the "fan issues" is caused by graphic issue which the GPU may be under heavy load all the time with rMBP's high resolution screen.
 
People, you should learn how to position your laptops. Dont treat your mbp as your wives, whom you nitpick at every small imperfection and grow dismay at how she put her forks and knives after a meal.

I treat my rMBP as my servant, you learn to forget and forgive his flaws when he is being very productive. Even though you've been paying good money for his service.

The fan issue is more trivial than trivial. I have learned over the years that there has to be a thousand threads about every tiny issues for every Mac products apple has ever produced. And you'll forget all about it in exactly 3 months from now.

It is not trivial at all.. Every time the fan spins up it wastes battery power. If you're using your computer for an extended period where you cannot charge up then you will run out of juice quicker than you should.
 
I could hardly be convinced that SSD could cause fan issues. I am using cMBP with a 3rd party HDD, Kingston 16GB RAM and nearly six months now I have never experienced any kind of fan issues. The fans run up when they are supposed to be, like running Handbrake to convert a blu-ray video which take hours or so and causes heavy CPU load.

I believe the "fan issues" is caused by graphic issue which the GPU may be under heavy load all the time with rMBP's high resolution screen.

Here goes...

I bought one of these Sandisk 512GB Blades last week, replacing my Samsung 256GB Blade that was installed from the factory.

Having had no fan ramp-ups in the previous 6 months, I was surprised the first day when I had three for no apparent reason. The GPU is not the factor.

The Sandisk drive seems to be misreporting its temperature to the fan management on the logic board when it's being read from, as evidenced by numerous people having posted their activity monitor windows, under almost no load.
 
To be clear this is a real issue!

Since I released my video and emailed it to Tim Cook, I got a call from Apple on behalf of Tim Cook to tell me they are now working with engineers to fix the issue.

Now I have the email of a guy working on this issue and he will keep me posted.

Check my Twitter for more updates on this issue.

That's really good that you got a call at least, though I gather you're more eager to get a fix!

It just goes to show that if you want to be taken seriously by Apple you just need to take video evidence of something and post it online for the world to see. Then they can't ignore you or make excesus like "it's normal for fans to ramp up to keep the computer cool".

I'm definitely keen to see how you go!
 
Not sure if this is useful information or not, but my (2013) rMBP 15" (16/512) came with a SD and I experienced the crazy fans as well.

However, for some reason I have not experienced it all all, now that this happened...

The GPU 2 Die sensor is off the charts.. it's clearly a sensor issue, and it was not always like this (I have screen shots of it being normal). But it seems as soon as this sensor went wonky, crazy fans went away. The fan comes on when they need to now (very, very rarely), and the crazy-fan has gone away almost completely.

I'm torn between retuning it since this sensor is faulty, or just being happy with it since the crazy-fans has stopped.
 

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it seems like early adopters were actually better off in this case.

Well... This early adopter had image retention problems, but once I got a Samsung display (4th swap was the winner!) this has been the best computer I've ever had. I think if my latest unit was having this new fan issue I'd give up.
 
Thats why I never buy 1st or 2nd gen. I usually always wait until 3rd or 4th.

2nd gen is usually the one to get in most knew products. Detail to fixing 1st gen issues and usually has another set of great features.
 
Well... This early adopter had image retention problems, but once I got a Samsung display (4th swap was the winner!) this has been the best computer I've ever had. I think if my latest unit was having this new fan issue I'd give up.

Yeah I've pretty much had it with quality control.

I think I should stop lusting for latest and greatest and stick with my cherry picked iPhone 5 (almost gave up, thought I had one with hardware-stability issues that turned out to be a quirky <6.0.2 respring bug, this one has the best screen I've seen of any, same with my iPad3 that was the biggest nightmare.

Only thing I can 'applaud' is my 2011 13 MBA was and has been perfect for 15 months now, with AppleCare room to go. Samsung LCD and SSD, it's about time I struck the jackpot on first try for the first and possibly only time ever.

iPad mini i didnt like due to non-retina (but my dad's screen mini is the best I've seen too, smooth text relatively and no IR) and wild gashes all over the beautiful design but tried iPad 4 and didnt like that either Image retention issues and it didnt feel as solidly constructed as my DY-serial iPad 3 that was like the 9th one I got or so.

Apple is seriously losing fanboys to stuff like this. Not like I'll switch to alternatives but I want to ride these out for a good while and then re-evaluate hopefully when a decent alternative exists and dominates. Still 'love' my products but I'm too afraid to try out new ones, and the software is plateau'ing so much there's no point in continuing to support lack of innovation.
 
Apart from some possible issues with the cooling system itself (firmware, sensors or fan curve) or SSDs or whatever, I find it quite telling that some people really complain about "fan issues" on such thin laptops like the Macbook Pro Retinas that have a powerful dual-core CPU/GPU and on the 15" models, they even have a discrete Nvidia GPU in them.

Guys. You bought a Macbook Pro Retina where the screen alone needs a lot of constant GPU power to feed it and thus the cooling system needs to work a lot harder than in a conventional Macbook Pro. Second, you bought a Macbook that is so thin that there´s even more compromises involved into cooling them.

It seems no one really cares or questions WHY this may be a bad thing for a Pro laptop. But because everyone always wants to have the newest and best marketed products from Apple, they are bought without afterthought, and after some usage heat issues arise where everyone suddenly wakes up and realizes that heat still has to be dissipated out of the casing and with laptops that are as thin as the Retinas are, the fans and cooling system can barely keep up to the job.

Yes, for Apple and a lot of customers it may be acceptable to sell such thin Pro laptops because they look good and are fast and almost non-repairable, but do they really work as good as a thicker and old Macbook Pro? No, because everything that is thinner still needs to dissipate the same amount of heat at the same wattage out of the casing, just like older Macbook Pros. And the old ones had a lot more room for a cooling system and thus potentially more quiet fans, because they didn´t need to rotate as fast. The thinner laptop will always be the one that is louder. That´s just how it is.

And if the next time Apple makes you believe in their keynotes that their new cooling system is "optimized and great and even the fans have been adjusted to be quieter" you should think about what I just said. Apart from liquid cooling systems, which take a bit more space and are typically used in server rooms, where there´s a need to dissipate a lot of heat out fast, a typical radial fan or fans are not able to dissipate endless amounts of heat, there are limits.

This may not be related to the fan issues some people have, but if I read posts like "yes, my Retina Macbook Pro is quite noisy, my old Macbook Pro was better" I get a little like "Oh, really?".

I think I should stop lusting for latest and greatest and stick with my cherry picked iPhone 5 (almost gave up, thought I had one with hardware-stability issues that turned out to be a quirky <6.0.2 respring bug, this one has the best screen I've seen of any, same with my iPad3 that was the biggest nightmare.
Same here. If I buy something that is as expensive as $800 or more, I want a product that works and doesn´t annoy me. Apple doesn´t seem to care about QA, because QA costs a lot of money, they rather let you return the products a couple of times, because some people are actually satisfied with a faulty product, believe it or not. Good thing is that I can do the same thing as Apple does, I can simply return it until I get the product that works as advertised or I ask for my money back.

My iPad 3 is perfect and I would never trade it for anything. The iPad 4s didn´t interest me a bit, but I could be tempted to buy an iPad 5 if it´s worth it. But I am pretty sure that I will not give up on my iPad 3 if there´s nothing as high-quality as my iPad 3, the screen is just breathtakingly awesome.
 
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Reading this thread makes me very depressed.

I was planning to buy a 2013 MBP-R today for £2300 which is a lot of money to me. Now I'm thinking maybe I should wait a while and see if they fix this issue.

It seems like every new or updated product (hardware and software) that Apple puts out these days has faults with it. Faults that should have been spotted in their quality assurance testing.
 
People, you should learn how to position your laptops. Dont treat your mbp as your wives, whom you nitpick at every small imperfection and grow dismay at how she put her forks and knives after a meal.

I treat my rMBP as my servant, you learn to forget and forgive his flaws when he is being very productive. Even though you've been paying good money for his service.

The fan issue is more trivial than trivial. I have learned over the years that there has to be a thousand threads about every tiny issues for every Mac products apple has ever produced. And you'll forget all about it in exactly 3 months from now.

That's ridiculous. A fan that blows at extreme speeds randomly is not just 'trivial'

1) The noise, which is extremely annoying - and in the case of people who do audio, or just want to listen to music or watch a movie, it can ruin the experience.

2) Battery life is diminished by a out of control fan

3) The life of the fan itself may be diminished, and given how it's close to impossible to get inside a rMBP, I would not want to try to replace it.
 
Hello people, I can confirm that my 15" MacBook Pro Retina Display with 2.3GHz Core i7 processor / 8GB RAM / 256GB SSD (made by SanDisk) is indeed having this same issues with the fan, is very annoying !. I bought this machine on December 2012 and it has a Samsung screen (not LG) if it matters.

Most of the time the fan kicks start up to full speed even just surfing the web with only a couple of tabs open and no other applications running at all, the machine itself is actually cold (not even warm) to the touch of the hand.

I really hope this is software related so Apple could fix it with a new firmware update. So Apple please fix it asap !
 
People, you should learn how to position your laptops. Dont treat your mbp as your wives, whom you nitpick at every small imperfection and grow dismay at how she put her forks and knives after a meal.

I treat my rMBP as my servant, you learn to forget and forgive his flaws when he is being very productive. Even though you've been paying good money for his service.

Wow, you've got that analogy so wrong.

Your wife is a one-of-a-kind whom you have a unique relationship with. So flaws offset the, you know, "love" aspect.

A servant is an employee with a set of skills that are not unique and can be found in many other people. If your servant is screwing up regularly than you fire their ass and hire someone else who can do that job.

And that's exactly the same for hardware.

Apple make electronics. If they don't perform for the price you paid then fire them and get a replacement. They are not unique, one-of-a-kind items. They are common consumer goods.
 
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