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15-Inch Retina MacBook Pro Users Experiencing Fan Issues Related to SanDisk SSDs?
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To be clear, your efforts to keep us posted are greatly appreciated. You've made more progress on this than anyone.
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Possibly, but you can't work with people you can't trust...
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I like those comments. All the people that forgets that Apple always had problems on all of their hardware. And morevore, more often on their rev A products like the MBPR.
Should go back on the news and check the PowerBook news, and you will see same comments as yours "Apple is not like before, they lose their quality stuff" and so on.
Same story again for years.
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When I see this, I am wondering what people buying all those expensive car like lamborghini says when they have troubles with their cars (they were a recall for lamborghini not too long ago).
Just a way to say that whatever price you will put on your stuff, you will never be problems free. The only things that should be checked is how the problem is handled by the company.
Right now, Apple is changing your stuff from free, which is what to be expected. The real problem would be if they don't care.
What was the point in your reply, nobody cares if it works on a Samsung? The title clearly states Sandisk!
In the meantime my 15" rMBP has been having screen lags with no resolve since the day I bought it. I'm running 10.8.3 12D76 beta and all problems persist. I'm demanding some kind of compensation for a $3000 laptop that doesn't even perform as fast as a MacBook Air.
1. That's ridiculous. The HD4000, let alone the GT650, have more than enough power to feed data to that screen. It's just a higher resolution for a GUI, it's not trying to render Crysis 3 or something. Even still, I've played Assassin's Creed at close to retina resolution and the fans and temperatures remained steady.
2. The cooling system "issue" you've brought up is even more ridiculous of a claim as these new enclosures, while thinner, offer much improved thermal management and cooling. The thinner chassis actually allow for hotter components and better cooling. These same parts in the last generation unibody run just as hot, if not even hotter, under the same conditions.
I'd avoid the current MBPr at all costs.
Wait till Apple releases the next gen version.
Then wait even longer, as others serve as Apple's beta testers.
See what kind of reviews come in and what defects the first batches are shipped with.
Once those are fixed, then it should be safe to buy.
Good luck, it's getting to be like gambling
Eh, I wouldn't quite take such a pessimistic view. This is a very small sample size not representative of the total population. There are undoubtedly many, many more who do not have issues. Given the nature of this site, those that do have issues come on here to talk about them, and thus a response bias is born.
Personally, I have a RevA rMBP and I couldn't be happier. I don't have any of the issues aside from very rare ghosting; the frequency of which is quite negligible.
Also, in regards to thermal management... these machines really are really quite amazing. When I dump full load on the machine for rendering, the temps never get above 65C.
You probably didn´t read my whole post, because I am not talking about that specific problem people are having. I was addressing people that believe (like you do) that Apple can magically make thinner laptops dissipate heat better. And yes, that´s as ridiculous as your answer to my post.
You need more power to feed a Retina display vs. a conventional one, because there are more pixel active at a time. The Retina display on a mobile device needs a lot of power currently and that will only get better with IGZO or OLED. When Intel introduces their Haswell architecture, which is a lot more power efficient compared to Ivy Bridge, the problem will also be dealt with externally.
The people that use a laptop daily are not talking about the display of a GUI. They want to work with a Retina resolution and applications, the GUI alone is almost irrelevant. If you´re displaying a whole webpage though, OS X needs to upscale/render to a Retina resolution and 1600p or even 1800p is a lot more demanding than 1080p or 1200p. In the worst case (1200p vs. 1800p) that´s over 2 times more pixels.
If Apple keeps the size of the casing the same and doesn´t go overboard with TDP on the new Haswell chips, the second generation should be a lot better.
Dude, this is a laptop, you want to write on it and not burn your fingers. You want that heat to GET OUT of your case as fast as possible and that´s only possible with fans. And if you´re casing is smaller with less volume internally, even the best vapor chamber technology is not going to help you, a case with a bigger volume though, would easily leave you enough room with bigger and slower spinning fans or one big slow spinning fan. But since the Retinas are so thin, there´s only room for one or two very thin fans that need to be active almost all the time for the hot air to get out. And if they suddenly spin up, you´re going to hear it.
This is no iPad with minimal dissipation that can be dealt with through the casing itself, this is a professional laptop you have to work on. People are very sensitive if their casing heats up like some iPads under load do already and if laptops do that it´s extremely uncomfortable for someone to type on them. And if there´s also loud fan noise it´s going to annoy you to no end.
I cannot believe you even think that thinner = better. You must be a marketing troll.
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You got nine iPads? Replacements? I thought the iPad was one of the safer Apple products (and definitely the best value)! What went wrong?
I just got an iPhone 5 again after I returned my launch day unit. I'm pleased to say that battery life has improved substantially from what I (and many others) suffered with at launch. In my first complete drain I got 6.5 hours usage and 6.5 hours standby, which isn't too bad (it's supposed to get 8 hours but I'm not complaining). I had the screen brightness on about a third but was downloading and installing some apps over 3G with WiFi off. Maybe it'll improve a bit more after a few cycles. I now also have an external Morphie battery so I'm not as concerned about battery life.
The screen of the iPhone is indeed stunning. I remember gushing over the iPhone 4's retina display but this one seems to blow that out of the water, even though it's the same pixel density. It just seems much clearer with better contrast and better colour saturation. The UI smoothness is amazing as well. I'm quite pleased with it.
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Some iPads had an excessive amount of yellow/purple tint or screen brightness uniformity, which was extremely annoying. I got lucky though, my first iPad 3 I bought was almost perfect (I can only see a slight hint of screen uniformity when I read books on a completely white background). But I didn´t buy straight away, I waited for a couple of weeks. Because if there´s bugs, the early adopters are always the ones that pay the price (twice).
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I'm not basing my advice on the fan issue alone. Every new model of MBP Apple releases, I buy. Primarily because its my work machine that's pushed hard due to the nature of the resource intense work I do. Therefore I must have as much speed, memory & processing power as possible. If not for the fact the company has many global locations, which I use, I'd be using my Mac Pro full time.
Therefore my experience is based on buying over twenty new Mac laptops. Until the last few years Apples laptops were all well sorted and of very high quality. If their were any bugs they were the normal, minor kind all computers are subject to.
However now that well over half Apples revenue is via iOS devices, they get all the attention Apple can lavish on them. A fact I fully understand. Being a mass market consumer electronics company has made Apple highly envied by money worshipping Apple followers, that in many cases have no clue about computing.
Witness the posts here that make it personal and call names, attacking any owner that shares an experience, speaks the truth, or dare reveal an Apple fault.
Anything other than blind praise raises the hackles of the hangers on.
If you're gonna get that computer, you should either have it purchased with a card that doubles warranty (AmEx) or AppleCare but I'd hate to have the machine serviced at all. It's all glued together, I'd imagine the internals will never look the same as from the factory after it gets torn open.
I have a 15" retina purchased on June 11th with a Samsung SSD. I have this same issue.
Clearly, the issue is not related to Sandisk directly.
Clearly, the issue is not related to Sandisk directly.
These hilarious posts are the reason I come to this site. Sir, WTF are you talking about? Servants and wives? Are you a Saudi prince?
lol
I wonder if this switch to SanDisk mSATA SSDs is what brought down the price of drive upgrades in Apple machines that use mSATA SSDs as every Mac that uses mSATA SSDs (rather than 2.5" SATA SSDs) dropped in price when the Early 2013 retina MacBook Pros came out.
i can see why Apple would think "its considered 'normal' behaviour."
I mean every time you insert a dvd, and Superdrive makes a noise, PC manufactures of dvd drives in the same situation, would say, "its un-acceptable. And that the DVD/and or computer is not on a flat surface." Even though the in-balence in not perfect, although it helps to re-align. But when it comes to Apple, even THIS is considered 'normal' by Apple users.
So, here in this article, I wouldn't be surprise for Apple to say "fan noise is normal."
But ya, in any case, it seems these problems are always happening on Retina Macs.... Not surprising here anyway. Maybie Apple should have tested a bit more.
True, problems can not show up, but Apple doesn't exactly run Macs for days during their QUality and Control, despite what they say. Otherwise, this problem would of been found.
I mean every time you insert a dvd, and Superdrive makes a noise, PC manufactures of dvd drives in the same situation, would say, "its un-acceptable. And that the DVD/and or computer is not on a flat surface." Even though the in-balence in not perfect, although it helps to re-align. But when it comes to Apple, even THIS is considered 'normal' by Apple users.
So, here in this article, I wouldn't be surprise for Apple to say "fan noise is normal."
But ya, in any case, it seems these problems are always happening on Retina Macs.... Not surprising here anyway. Maybie Apple should have tested a bit more.
True, problems can not show up, but Apple doesn't exactly run Macs for days during their QUality and Control, despite what they say. Otherwise, this problem would of been found.
Yes it is glued together, and what's not, is packed so tightly together that it's hard to imagine anyone at AppleCare being able to service it without incurring damage.
I bought it accepting that reality is, Apple is building them like throwaway appliances. No longer designed to be serviceable Apple has severly compromised it's bragging rights as a "Green Company". The campaign they silently dropped over a year ago.
Yet it's the only game in town if one prefers OS X. Apple knows it, flaunts it with high pricing and now with throwaway computers.
Yep., all glued, throw away computers... And hard to repair without breaking something.
No wonder Apple just gives you a new logic board or a new Mac ...
I wonder what the chances are of Apple "further" breaking stuff themselves trying to repair something, not the user ?
I reckon that would be high, so Apple would just think "ok, time to cover up out stuff ups."
Apple is the only company that does "throw away" stuff.... Well.. Microsoft does now with the RT. but i am beginning to seriously hate the future of tech.
The idea, of being as thin as a MBA, and the ipad's, even though thy are nice to use, the negative side is these slim designs, is that over-heating is more of a problem, and other factors, your typical non-MBP/previous iMac's wouldn't be in the same situation at the same time, only because its not as thin.
*shrugs*
I spose thats why Apple push AppleCare even further, as if they already know their product is gonna die sooner.
I can't help seeing this as a scale...... Where's the tipping point, or middle ground ? Where everything is safer, yet still be thinner ?
No wonder Apple just gives you a new logic board or a new Mac ...
I wonder what the chances are of Apple "further" breaking stuff themselves trying to repair something, not the user ?
I reckon that would be high, so Apple would just think "ok, time to cover up out stuff ups."
Apple is the only company that does "throw away" stuff.... Well.. Microsoft does now with the RT. but i am beginning to seriously hate the future of tech.
The idea, of being as thin as a MBA, and the ipad's, even though thy are nice to use, the negative side is these slim designs, is that over-heating is more of a problem, and other factors, your typical non-MBP/previous iMac's wouldn't be in the same situation at the same time, only because its not as thin.
*shrugs*
I spose thats why Apple push AppleCare even further, as if they already know their product is gonna die sooner.
I can't help seeing this as a scale...... Where's the tipping point, or middle ground ? Where everything is safer, yet still be thinner ?
You might as well wait for Haswell in June, and hopefully the numerous problems with retina models will be fixed by then too. I've lost all hope for the current models over the past weeks due to my own pre-purchase research. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or derogatory towards current owners - I really want one of these things - but you've got to be mad to buy one after seeing the shear number of problems with them reported on the web.
Have to agree with you and a few others in the thread...I don't trust Apple any more. A few years ago, it was hard to walk away empty handed from an Apple store. Now, I'm almost too nervous to buy anything from them - I've been looking at buying a rMBP since December...
It's just a shame there's no real alternative to Macs. I'm not just talking about OS, but the whole package. Some nice, high(ish)-quality hardware, with a 99% bug-free *nix OS. Slap a premium price on it, I wouldn't care - as long as it worked.
Is this why my fan sometimes just goes loud as hell for minutes on end when I'm not even doing anything cpu-intensive (according to iStat)? If so, should I go and get it replaced.
Exactly where I am. I even went down to Best Buy to play around on Windows 8. There really just isn't an alternative to Mac, at least as far as I'm concerned, but if they keep this up Apple will face some real competition from somewhere.
Yeah, it kind of became a quest, ala Ahab and the whale.