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if you never use your laptop where you cannot plug it in, why do you even have one? i know it's convenient to sit on your couch and surf the web, or, of course, have it plugged in at work/university, but working apart from electrical supply or on the go was the original idea behind laptops, or am i wrong?

Portability and electrical outlet access are not the same issue.

I need a portable computer. At the library and at my office. I plug it in at these locations.

So you're saying I may as well bring a desktop box, monitor and input devices with me to these locations every day because they have electrical outlets? Or are you saying I shouldn't plug in my laptop just because I'm enabled to do so?
 
Battery Pack

I think it's great apple:), but They should make an external battery that has a cord with a magcharger on the end... that would take away all these tears that I keep hearing:rolleyes:

First Post! Have been watching for a long time, and finlly registered.

I just recently found this device that seems to solve some of the problems many are having with the non-changeable battery. Here:

http://www.hyperdrive.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MBP-060

Pricey, but useful.
 
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So let's take a typical commuter scenario, the crowded train. Currently, it's click; slide; slide; click to replace the battery. With your li'l scheme we are clearing an extra space *somewhere* for an external battery pack (sure, we could run the battery pack inside an insulated case/backpack, but that's just going to give it an early death) and running a wire to it. Do I really want to be "that guy with the Mac who annoys everyone he's sitting next to by dangling bits everywhere and getting in people's way?" Oh, the train's stopped quickly, it's slipped onto the floor. Excuse me, can I just get that? It's my laptop thingy, I can't replace the battery. Let me just untangle that from your leg. It's a Macbook Pro, I'm sure you'll understand.
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Lets take this "typical commuter scenario" where you have this 5 hour batterie that you need to change???

Go ahead take it.

The vast majority of users will make it through this train ride BECAUSE of the battery.

I do not want a lesser computer because of this really really big typical problem of yours.   

How LONG is this crowded train ride?????

You are really, really stretching the credulity of your problem.  It would sit in the same pocket as your "extra battery", it could sit anywhere, even next to you on your seat or even in your bag, because you, know, it will probably take a month of the 5 year battery life.  

Sheesh.   

No, it is better that the battery lasts longer for the other 99.999999 that don't have you bizarre "typical" needs.
 
If you had taken a minute or two to actually read it, you'd see that he said, and I quote:

I found that CPU utilization varied from 5 - 35% during this test, which is about what I saw when I was actually surfing the web myself. The addition of Flash should make it more stressful, but it's still a fairly light usage test. My original web browsing test got us 8 hours, so what about this new one? Six and a half hours.

And again, did you read the entire article? Directly below the test you quote, there's a "Heavy downloading + Xvid + Web" test.

This is my heavy workload benchmark.

For this benchmark I'm downloading 10GB worth of files from the net (constant writes to the drive), browsing the web (same test as the first one) and watching the first two episodes of Firefly encoded in a 480p XviD format (Quicktime is set to loop the content until the system dies).

The older MacBook Pro managed 3.25 hours in this test. The new one? Just under 5

That seems like a pretty heavy workload test to me. :confused:
 
a) If you can't find an apple store near home, its not hard to swap the battery at home. All you need is a screwdriver, and a new battery. By the time you need to replace, your warranty will be expired anyways...3 yrs is far shorter than the 5 yr they are claiming, so I think the new ones should make it at least 2.5 yrs. So there goes the "I can't replace it, its hard!" argument.

b) if you need a swappable on the street battery, well that sucks. I have never even met person who does that. And I am in my late 20s, work in a professional field in an affluent area and do photography on the side. So: lots of macs, lots of pros in 2 fields. No one is swapping. Thus I feel confident in saying MOST people do not swap, and the extended battery life is a boon for them, since they need to find an outlet less often during the day, or may not have to sit near the wall during a meeting or lecture. Honestly, apple did what is best for the majority of its customers here.

c) if you absolutely need a swappable pack, get an external battery. You would already be carrying around another battery anyways. An inconcenience, I admit. Someone brought up the point of them working in areas where there are NO outlets, multiple days, and they cant use the power source their partner is using (ironically, likely external batteries), and they are getting a few hours of life with no swap, doing FCP in the amazon, and it needs to be done on the spot. Now that is not my field, but maybe they can enlighten me as to why a powerpack is absolutely unacceptable. I would imagine since its a laptop, you are sitting and working on a stump, unlike a camera, which needs an internal battery at all times because its moving around and traveling WHILE its working. I am not being intentionally sarcastic or p/a or anything.

On an aside, the sata downgrade, if real, is BS. That sucks. eSATA should be in the pros. And I assume this battery life upgrade is the real deal too

d) Since I am just going, the next laptop from apple thats going to get me to buy is: blu ray, USB 3.0, and nice cheap SSDs. Guess I wont be buying one for a year or 2. Or never, if they bug out on blu-ray. BTW not interested in a blu-ray argument here, Ive already been over that.
 
Portability and electrical outlet access are not the same issue.

I need a portable computer. At the library and at my office. I plug it in at these locations.

So you're saying I may as well bring a desktop box, monitor and input devices with me to these locations every day because they have electrical outlets? Or are you saying I shouldn't plug in my laptop just because I'm enabled to do so?

:) nah, of course not. you're right.

in fact, i was just wondering. when im at the library, i plug in my laptop too. but i also work in the train, at lecture halls without electrical outlets, or just "outside" if the weather allows it.
he said it just doesn't affect him. i guess my laptop-use habits are just different. I would be so glad if my laptop battery lasts for a whole day at universitity, releasing me from the need of carring the charger with me all day.

never mind :)
 
How about I show you my early '08 MBP instead? We'll do some heavy photoshop or FCP and see who can last 6 hours without an outlet. I guarantee you that it won't be you with a '09 MBP. All I have to do is swap in a new battery whenever I run out of juice. You, on the other hand, will just be able to stare at yourself thru the 15" glare on the glossy screen. The only thing you're smelling is rotten apples.

I swear that some people like to bitch for the sake of bitching.

It has already been said over and over again in this thread use this: http://www.batterygeek.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=78

I'm sure this batteries will work on the unibodies too. Besides this solution is actually better than exchanging your internal batteries all of the time.
 
I honestly don't understand what the problem is.... Why are you only staring at replaceable batteries, instead of looking at alternative means of getting same results? The results (more battery-life) are the important thing, not the means (replaceable batteries, external battery-packs, longer-lasting batteries)....

Agreed 100%. Old mindset and not accepting change = stubbornness.

Old mindset. Main battery lasts 3 hours + replaceable spare battery 3 hours = 6 hours.

New MBP with new battery technology = +6 hours (under a single charge, less spare battery).

Old mindset. Replace battery every 18 months = extra $$$ (x2 for spare)

New MBP with new battery technology = replace in 3-4 years (4x savings)
 
Agreed 100%. Old mindset and not accepting change = stubbornness.

Old mindset. Main battery lasts 3 hours + replaceable spare battery 3 hours = 6 hours.

New MBP with new battery technology = +6 hours (under a single charge, less spare battery).

Old mindset. Replace battery every 18 months = extra $$$ (x2 for spare)

New MBP with new battery technology = replace in 3-4 years (4x savings)

I like (and agree with) your entry! :) Very cleverly put.

I wonder how many other laptop manufacturers are thinking "I should have thought of that..." It takes apple to bring about a paradigm shift, and it takes apple to show every one else the way forward. It is too early to tell, but it may be that spare batteries may become a thing of the past.

In about 20 years, I can hear my son asking me: "...did you have to have a spare battery for the what-you-call-it, laptop thingy...? Really? Who was the one that thought of not doing that?" To what I wil answer... "ok son, once upon the time, this company that we know today as apple..."
 
I still don't understand the people WHINING and BITCHING about integrated batteries with 3x longer lifespans and 50% longer per-charge times.

I thought I had seen external magsafe battery packs, which don't even require you to power-off your laptop to switch. If you are carrying the spare battery around anyway, then what's the issue? Seriously.
 
Agreed 100%. Old mindset and not accepting change = stubbornness.

Old mindset. Main battery lasts 3 hours + replaceable spare battery 3 hours = 6 hours.

New MBP with new battery technology = +6 hours (under a single charge, less spare battery).

Old mindset. Replace battery every 18 months = extra $$$ (x2 for spare)

New MBP with new battery technology = replace in 3-4 years (4x savings)

Excellent points! That should be end of the argument right here.

I for one am happy as hell that Apple got started on working on improving the batteries, somebody needed to! Hopefully someday soon the batteries will last more than 12 hours on a simi-heavy usage most of the time.
 
My 15" MBP only takes 1.5 hours to fully recharge, and so far I've been getting a solid 6 hours, on near max brightness. :)
 
http://www.hyperdrive.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MBP-060

This product kind of hits the nail on the head for anyone who really needs that extra battery life. This is just as good as an external battery, if not better.

Maybe Apple could throw something like this on the market themselves to get the point across.

I might pick one of these up, considering it will work with both my older MBP and my new MBP I'll be picking up in about a month or so. I like dual purpose.
 
I'm ultra-conservative when it comes to battery life, I wonder what's the best they can push it...Example being, one or 2 apps open, NO wireles, and 1 bar o brightness.

Anybody that owns these new macbook pros, how much brighter is it than the powerbook g4? I had the first generation macbook pro and it was at least twice and bright as the powerbook back then, I wonder how many more leaps ahead these LED generation displays are...
 
Well, you are wrong and missing the point. It must not that hard to guess "almost" all MBP owners don't use their notebooks for "very very" light web browsing.

I don't get it - surely almost everyone uses their computer for "light" functions - browsing the web, answering email, working in Word or Excel. Just because these are "pro" machines doesn't mean that people with the extra money don't buy them to use them just as they would use a cheaper computer.
 
The vast majority of users will make it through this train ride BECAUSE of the battery.
Is this in the morning or after a day working mobile? Let's see, typical commuter day: 1.5 hours on the train, 8 hours at work, 1.5 hours on the train. That's pretty much one new MBP battery on minimal load, counting for a couple of hours downtime, or - without problem - a couple of average batteries.

You are really, really stretching the credulity of your problem. It would sit in the same pocket as your "extra battery", it could sit anywhere, even next to you on your seat or even in your bag, because you, know, it will probably take a month of the 5 year battery life.
Actually, I'd probably have my bag on the shelf above me, so it wouldn't sit there. As for a cord dangling out from my laptop and into a box sitting next to me on a crowded train, are you having a laugh?

No, it is better that the battery lasts longer for the other 99.999999 that don't have you bizarre "typical" needs.
A quick glance through this forum suggests that my needs are not [wildly] atypical. A macpolls poll suggests [see previous arn post] about 10% have and use a second battery, to give the first vaguely non-anecdotal figure.
 
Is this in the morning or after a day working mobile? Let's see, typical commuter day: 1.5 hours on the train, 8 hours at work, 1.5 hours on the train.

I'm sorry your workplace is so short on money they don't get an electricity supply. Do you work on wooden trestle tables too?

I've seen people in this thread taking things to the ridiculous extremes - frequent 8 hour train commutes for example. I might suggest to that person that moving house would be a prudent option. I'd probably just steal some power from the train anyway - they have a few standard power sockets even in standard class. Airplanes have power sockets too.

So let's say you become a hermit and decide to live in a tree house without power ... well, you could extend your battery life by turning off wireless I guess. Might be time to invest in a decent solar panel and inverter in this situation. Maybe your spacecraft crash landed 5 hours away from Earth, and you need the computer to stay alive long enough to receive a response to your mayday call!
 
A quick glance through this forum suggests that my needs are not [wildly] atypical. A macpolls poll suggests [see previous arn post] about 10% have and use a second battery, to give the first vaguely non-anecdotal figure.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the crowd here doesn't really represent the typical Apple user.

You can be sure Apple did some research into the amount of people that use an extra battery before they make a decision into going non-removable. It's quite easy for them. They just have to count the amount of batteries they sell, and compare this to the amount of laptops that are sold.. I'm sure this was even easier than determining whether the expressport should be killed.

The demand for a removable battery is nowadays not anymore a typical one. The fast majority of people use their laptops at home, at school, at work where there are sockets. You can debate whether a Pro machine should have this "feature", but debating doesn't really help with Apple. You have become an insignificant minority to Apple, asking for a tech that they don't support anymore. The fact that the machine has become more simple, user-friendly etc will probably attract more new customers, than it will scare away existing ones. The number that does leave Apple for another manufacturer will be insignificant to the number of new customers that will likely lap this thing up. Just scroll back in these pages and count the number of people that bought a new laptop and count the number that said that they will never buy an Apple product again...
 
I'm sorry your workplace is so short on money they don't get an electricity supply. Do you work on wooden trestle tables too?
Consider "a day working mobile" - visiting customer sites / events / whatever. On a nice day, perhaps even doing some work in the park below the office. Not everyone is chained to the same desk 8/5. I'm sorry your workplace doesn't let you out much :D.

I'd probably just steal some power from the train anyway - they have a few standard power sockets even in standard class.
Thinking about the trains I often use, there are maybe 4 power sockets in each carriage in standard class and they're clearly marked "NOT FOR PUBLIC USE". They're installed underneath the emergency intercom system. Call me an altruistic fool, but I'm betting they're there for more important things than your or my laptops.

peterdevries said:
It's quite easy for them. They just have to count the amount of batteries they sell, and compare this to the amount of laptops that are sold.
So what you're saying is that Apple looked at the people it already sells lots of equipment to - campus undergrads, mostly - and found that it's catering for their needs without their needing to buy extra stuff. Annoyed that its equipment might also be versatile enough to cater to other groups, it presses on with the same angry mantra Jobs has had since the mid '80s of reducing expandability (remember his attitude toward expansion slots in the original Mac?). Preserve 90% of your market and reduce the incentive to keep an existing machine as much as possible. It makes business sense if that's the game you want to play, but it does not impress enterprise, which is why there are so few Macs in enterprise.
 
Consider "a day working mobile" - visiting customer sites / events / whatever. On a nice day, perhaps even doing some work in the park below the office. Not everyone is chained to the same desk 8/5. I'm sorry your workplace doesn't let you out much :D.

I'm sure there are in-car charging adaptors (are there?). You have a point when the battery life is 4 hours, but 6 hours plus... with external battery packs available if you need more (as in working eight hours non-stop in the park).

Extending battery life beyond a certain point kills off the need for 80% of second battery users to buy their second battery. 8 hours is enough for a plane journey, given you'll have a meal, a sleep, and so on. I'd have to be seriously behind my work to work through an entire flight! Even with a film. The new MBP gets more battery life from a single battery than older models got with a second battery (and a reboot cycle). People might have issues getting over the fact they don't now need a second battery, as it has become such a comfort zone.

Thinking about the trains I often use, there are maybe 4 power sockets in each carriage in standard class and they're clearly marked "NOT FOR PUBLIC USE". They're installed underneath the emergency intercom system. Call me an altruistic fool, but I'm betting they're there for more important things than your or my laptops.

They're for the cleaners' vacuum cleaners. Some train services in the UK allow people to use them, and in first class each table has a couple of sockets specifically for customer use.
 
So what you're saying is that Apple looked at the people it already sells lots of equipment to - campus undergrads, mostly - and found that it's catering for their needs without their needing to buy extra stuff. Annoyed that its equipment might also be versatile enough to cater to other groups, it presses on with the same angry mantra Jobs has had since the mid '80s of reducing expandability (remember his attitude toward expansion slots in the original Mac?). Preserve 90% of your market and reduce the incentive to keep an existing machine as much as possible. It makes business sense if that's the game you want to play, but it does not impress enterprise, which is why there are so few Macs in enterprise.

What the logic is behind most of Apple's choices is anyones (except Job's) guess. But even if you take enterprise into account, there is not a large group that needs replaceable batteries. I work as a consultant and we walk around with our laptops all day, but none of my colleagues use extra batteries. I'm not denying that there are professions that need them, but this group is most likely just too small.
 
Veri, you say you like to work in the park. Well golly these batterygreeks batteries are prefect for that.

The bottom line is: there's a solution.
 
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