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15" MBP to be discontinued in November

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So, if the rumors of the 16" being more expensive than the mid-level 15" machines, then would Apple just vacate all price points between the 13" and this more expensive 16"? That would be a puzzling pricing ladder decision.
 
Or to put it another way, the next 15" MBP will come with a 16" screen. The only surprising thing is it's fully replacing it so soon. I would expect it to be phased in from the top end - at the very least leaving the base 2,399 model as is like they did when introducing the 2016 model. This will probably disappoint those who were hoping for a mobile iMac Pro, while I wouldn't be surprised if they took the opportunity to raise the price even further, despite the fact it will be essentially the same machine.
 
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Now I'm just confused. What are the implications on the timing? Release in November? But then again, what will they do with all the people with a current gen 15" that need a replacement? Supply them with the new 16"? Or will they release earlier and use the remaining production as replacement buffer?

The next question is, where is this product placed? Is this another iteration of the current gen? Is this already the next generation?

What about the design? Are they keeping the same form factor but adapting certain design elements? Will there be better cooling? How about more depth for the new keyboard? Will there be actually anything different other than the screen? If no, why so many iterations in such a short time?

This is just getting more chaotic with every new rumor... the only consistency so far is that there will be a 16" model this fall.
 
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It will be very interesting to see what is released. Hoping for good things for those that want one.
 
Its ok not to have another dimension....Its ok apple to replace the 15" with 16.4", next year probabyl the 13" with a 14"
 
I'm currently contemplating a 2019 MBP 15" purchase. Not sure if these rumors are going to sway me to hold off. Potentially better keyboard and slightly larger screen sound great, but so far it doesn't sound like that big of an upgrade, and I'm afraid of the starting price.
 
eulslix said:
Now I'm just confused. What are the implications on the timing? Release in November? But then again, what will they do with all the people with a current gen 15" that need a replacement? Supply them with the new 16"? Or will they release earlier and use the remaining production as replacement buffer?
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Depends on stock levels when your 15" macbook fails. This is nothing new. If you have a machine they cannot repair, and they have the replacement system in stock they will offer you the replacement system. The fact that the replacement system has a 16" vs 15" screen or the same 15" screen with twice the drive space, does not matter.
 
If the new 16" has the same processor it will be a no-sale for me. I'm not crazy about the idea of a new Mac Pro due to the cost, but... that might push me into it.
 
A 16" MacBook will likely have the same footprint as the current 15", or maybe even be slightly smaller.

With a 1-inch display size difference it would make sense to omit a 15" option.

13 & 16 or 14 & 16 sounds nice.

majus said:
If the new 16" has the same processor it will be a no-sale for me. I'm not crazy about the idea of a new Mac Pro due to the cost, but... that might push me into it.
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The processors are always bumped up with every release.
 
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The processors are always bumped up with every release.
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Actually I wonder, whether by "Coffee Lake Refresh" they mean all the processor, or really just the H processors. Because in the former case that would include the Xeons, which would fit into the current user theories.
 
Falhófnir said:
Or to put it another way, the next 15" MBP will come with a 16" screen.
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Yeah, I think this is the case. I think some of us thought maybe the 16" would be some kind of "Pro Workstation" or such, but it appears it's just a "tick" more than a "tock".

eulslix said:
Now I'm just confused. What are the implications on the timing? Release in November? But then again, what will they do with all the people with a current gen 15" that need a replacement?
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I notice the article also said they would stop making the 12" MacBook in August... but they already stopped selling it. So if they keep making it for a short time after sales stop (probably to have replacement machines), a November halt of 15" production may imply the 16" will push out the 15" on release in September.

HappyIntro said:
I'm currently contemplating a 2019 MBP 15" purchase. Not sure if these rumors are going to sway me to hold off. Potentially better keyboard and slightly larger screen sound great, but so far it doesn't sound like that big of an upgrade, and I'm afraid of the starting price.
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It does seem crazy to remove the 15" if the 16" is going to go up significantly in price... a lot of people felt the 15" was already too expensive. Hopefully something with these rumors is wrong (i.e. price!).

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The processors are always bumped up with every release.
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That's what is weird about this release: the fact is there just isn't another processor available. I thought maybe the mobile Xenon, but from what I've read, the latest i9 basically caught up with that. Intel hasn't even talked about a 45W TDP Ice Lake yet. Makes me wonder if this release was pushed up just so they could get a scissor keyboard out. Maybe this new design is meant to have an Ice Lake chip, and is being released early with an i9 instead for that reason...
 
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poorcody said:
Forbes is reporting info from IHS Market's Jeff Lin on some new details on the 16" MBP:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brooke...-end-of-154-inch-mbp-ihs-markit/#5f1c1a932a37

Two significant details from the article: the 15" MBP will end production in November, implying the 16" is meant to replace it (versus being something "new and above" the 15"). Also, it will use the same CPU as the current model.
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You know what? I was going to get the 15" inch 2019.. But I guess I'll just wait till the 2020 models come out...
 
poorcody said:
It does seem crazy to remove the 15" if the 16" is going to go up significantly in price... a lot of people felt the 15" was already too expensive. Hopefully something with these rumors is wrong (i.e. price!).
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Really they could do with realigning their MacBook offerings, so perhaps the 15" Pro will go away but they will bring out a 15" Air or an intermediate powered 15" MacBook? Though this might be wishful thinking as there doesn't seem to be any rumours to this effect.

16" Pro - revamped 15" with larger more advanced screen, extra thermal capacity for a slightly more powerful GPU (?)

14" Pro - revamped 13" with extra thermal capacity to fit a basic dGPU as a lot of Windows machines now do in a 13" form factor.

15" Air - basically the 13" Air but with a larger screen. OR 15" MacBook - basically a 13" $1,299 MBP but with a larger screen, dropping the 'Pro' branding.

13" Air - as is. AND/OR 13" Pro - stays as a cheaper entry Pro option from $1,299, or drops Pro branding to sit alongside 15" MB.
 
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I hope that's not the case. Another refresh basically frustrates both the people who just updated and the people who need to update now, since then there would most likely be another refresh soon with the actual generation switch.
If Apple decides to mess with their update cycles in such absurd ways, they need to become more transparent in return. Otherwise its just a spit into the customers face.
 
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kp98077 said:
Wonder if I should return my 15” MBP now and just wait ? Ugh .....
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The problem is, wait how long? We don't know and that's what drives me crazy. It could be announced in September or October, with an availability for sometime later in the year, so that's a lot of months potentially to wait for a first gen product, which could have teething issues.
 
HappyIntro said:
The problem is, wait how long? We don't know and that's what drives me crazy. It could be announced in September or October, with an availability for sometime later in the year, so that's a lot of months potentially to wait for a first gen product, which could have teething issues.
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Yes for sure ! No fun waiting ....
 
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Let’s hope this is indeed the case. We don’t need any more laptop model fragmentation than what we already have.
 
eulslix said:
I hope that's not the case. Another refresh basically frustrates both the people who just updated and the people who need to update now, since then there would most likely be another refresh soon with the actual generation switch.
If Apple decides to mess with their update cycles in such absurd ways, they need to become more transparent in return. Otherwise its just a spit into the customers face.
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Those people need to get over themselves, that mindset is absurd. When you buy a MacBook you buy a specific model and take it home. You’re not buying s subscription to the “latest model”. Apple isn’t making you a promise that they won’t update. You’re buying a particular unit and taking it home. And when a new model comes out your current one will keep working. It’s not like it suddenly stops.
 
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Those people need to get over themselves, that mindset is absurd. When you buy a MacBook you buy a specific model and take it home. You’re not buying s subscription to the “latest model”. Apple isn’t making you a promise that they won’t update. You’re buying a particular unit and taking it home. And when a new model comes out your current one will keep working. It’s not like it suddenly stops.
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Ahhh wrong .... macbook 12? Done. Etc.
 
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