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15" OLED Panel from LG Headed for Apple Notebook This Summer?

dmmcintyre3 said:
Do OLED screens flicker? I think they do because in a video I saw of the optimus maximus the keys were filckering.
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No. And they have response times in MICROseconds, so there is no ghosting or lag either. The flickering is likely due to the video, possibly the frame rate of the video interacting with the framerate of the lighting. OLEDs are rock solid, better than either CRTs or ordinary backlit LCDs.

I'll add that I'm all for Apple adopting OLEDs - no need for a backlighting unit therefore thin, ultra-fast, perfect when wiewed from an angle (unless Apple puts a glary sheet of glass in front), potential for great colour gamut and a life-time that is sufficient for portable computers.
I can't help recalling when we bought the Apple 180c - the first laptop with an _active-matrix_ colour display. No submarining! Colour clarity out of this world! Outrageous price! History might repeat itself. :)
 
Please educate me!

Someone please educate me:

As with CCFL, LED is merely a backlight. Is OLED also a backlight, or a type of panel?

For example, LED displays with a TN panel are far worse than CCFL panels with an S-IPS panel. If OLED is a type of panel (i.e. not a backlight), how will it compare to the picture quality of an S-IPS panel?
 
ThomasJL said:
Someone please educate me:

As with CCFL, LED is merely a backlight. Is OLED also a backlight, or a type of panel?

For example, LED displays with a TN panel are far worse than CCFL panels with an S-IPS panel. If OLED is a type of panel (i.e. not a backlight), how will it compare to the picture quality of an S-IPS panel?
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LED stands for Light Emitting Diode. The thing about OLED is that they can be made very small and very cheaply, basically printed on material. So you have one red LED, one green LED and one blue LED per pixel. They can be fully lit (appears white) or completely off (totally black unlike LCD) and don't change color depending on viewing angle. There's no backlight needed with OLED screen, the (sub) pixels emit light themselves. This gives you superb contrast.

Many car radios, HIFI stereos and small MP3 players have OLED screens, usually in blue or green. That's the same tech, but having only one color makes it much cheaper to produce. The major problem with OLED screens right now is that the different LED types have different lifetimes. The blue LEDs lose brightness faster than the other ones, so the images would get a yellow (green + blue) tint over time. That's slowly being fixed right now and you don't get noticable tints withing the useful lifetime of a laptop display.

It's too bad Dell doesn't have any 20" S-IPS panels right now. Those E-IPS panels are not that good actually. And 20" 1680x1050 is pretty much perfect for gaming. Not too big so you don't have to turn your head and not too many pixels to make the graphics card work too much.
I like S-IPS panels for their color accuracy. But I gotta admit, the glassy 24" cinema display looks excellent in terms of color and contrast, compared even to the 30" ACD. Normal room lighting makes the matte scree look dark grey instead of black.
 
ThomasJL said:
Someone please educate me:

As with CCFL, LED is merely a backlight. Is OLED also a backlight, or a type of panel?

For example, LED displays with a TN panel are far worse than CCFL panels with an S-IPS panel. If OLED is a type of panel (i.e. not a backlight), how will it compare to the picture quality of an S-IPS panel?
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I'm not the king of LEDs so I may not be the best person to give you information, but I've done some research.

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LEDs are Light-emitting diodes. OLEDs are Organic Light-emitting diodes. The big difference is that OLEDs are obviously made of organic compounds and these small-molecule organic materials can be printed onto a material. This can create a very sharp image. Here's a quote from A quick guide to OLED:

OLED screens do have many benefits over traditional LCD-based displays. They produce a much sharper image, along with being brighter than the normal displays used today and is a different design on the whole. They also draw much less power than those other screens, as they do not require a backlight to illuminate them due to their brightness. This in turn offers a much greener alternative to the displays seen around today.
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Doesn't Sonys 11" OLED TV still cost somewhere around $2500? Considering the cost of TVs vs notebooks that's going to be mighty expensive.
 
Doesn't OLED have low resolution ATM? I'm guessing next year until they get the resolution higher as a BTO.
 
MrCrowbar said:
LED stands for Light Emitting Diode. The thing about OLED is that they can be made very small and very cheaply, basically printed on material. So you have one red LED, one green LED and one blue LED per pixel. They can be fully lit (appears white) or completely off (totally black unlike LCD) and don't change color depending on viewing angle. There's no backlight needed with OLED screen, the (sub) pixels emit light themselves. This gives you superb contrast.

Many car radios, HIFI stereos and small MP3 players have OLED screens, usually in blue or green. That's the same tech, but having only one color makes it much cheaper to produce. The major problem with OLED screens right now is that the different LED types have different lifetimes. The blue LEDs lose brightness faster than the other ones, so the images would get a yellow (green + blue) tint over time. That's slowly being fixed right now and you don't get noticable tints withing the useful lifetime of a laptop display.

It's too bad Dell doesn't have any 20" S-IPS panels right now. Those E-IPS panels are not that good actually. And 20" 1680x1050 is pretty much perfect for gaming. Not too big so you don't have to turn your head and not too many pixels to make the graphics card work too much.
I like S-IPS panels for their color accuracy. But I gotta admit, the glassy 24" cinema display looks excellent in terms of color and contrast, compared even to the 30" ACD. Normal room lighting makes the matte scree look dark grey instead of black.
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Good summary. The quote lifetime on these panels is 30,000 hours, which should be fine for a laptop. I only wonder how the blues will stand up to the test of time. I can only imagine the deluge of complaints.

That being said, if Apple puts OLED in a notebook, any notebook, I'll need to change my pants.
 
EntropyQ3 said:
dmmcintyre3 said:
Do OLED screens flicker? I think they do because in a video I saw of the optimus maximus the keys were filckering.
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No.
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Good.

EntropyQ3 said:
I can't help recalling when we bought the Apple 180c - the first laptop with an _active-matrix_ colour display. No submarining! Colour clarity out of this world! Outrageous price! History might repeat itself. :)
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I had the 1400CS and the screen sucked (in 2005).

I would have to see a OLED screen to see if it were worth the extra cost if it were BTO. If Apple used OLED standard on the MacBook Pro I'm sure the price would come down. The OLED TV probably sells very little so the price stays high. If more people bought it the price would go down like SSD's did. The more people that buy it the cheaper it gets (usually)
 
15" OLED Panel?? Can you imagine the cost of one of those from Apple??? 2x or 3x a normal panel? perhaps a super high end one... Sony's 10" OLED TV is like $2000!
 
kastenbrust said:
This is a great idea, shame it isnt going to ever happen
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It is very, very, very, very, very likely that it will happen AT SOME POINT. This June seems a bit early, but never say never. It could easily be a $500-$2000 BTO option.

Combine this with Blu-ray and Snow Leopard and you've got a great on-the-go movie watching experience.
 
iMacmatician said:
However there was this rumor a while back about a 15" MacBook Air…
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I think this is spot on!

There hasn't been a design update to the MBA ever. And IMHO they could easily fit a 15" OLED into the current design: just get rid of the bezel and make the lid even thinner.

And since OLEDs will certainly be more expensive initially, I'd say a MBA is a perfect candidate. Much rather than the smaller MacBook.


But I could also see a high-end 15" MBP parallel to the current MBP: with OLED display, quad-core CPU supporting 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD.


Only the reported resolution of 1366x768 is rather 'small' for a high-end model.
But who says that Apple's OLED wouldn't have at least 1400x900?


I certainly would want one since OLEDs have perfect contrast ratios of typically 1,000,000:1 and are much more energy efficient, i.e. allows for longer battery life.
 
zombitronic said:
The awesome thing about OLED Panels is that it makes both of these concepts possible:

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WOW hehe that is true. I remember seeing that glass one more than a year ago before there had been anything about transparent OLEDs. Awesome how technology advances and makes dreams possible! :D

I am all for OLED in all Apple products!!!
 
MacFly123 said:
WOW hehe that is true. I remember seeing that glass one more than a year ago before there had been anything about transparent OLEDs. Awesome how technology advances and makes dreams possible! :D

I am all for OLED in all Apple products!!!
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Apple Tax dollars at work - although I'm sure I could build a cheaper one using cellophane.
 
joeshell383 said:
It is very, very, very, very, very likely that it will happen AT SOME POINT. This June seems a bit early, but never say never. It could easily be a $500-$2000 BTO option.

Combine this with Blu-ray and Snow Leopard and you've got a great on-the-go movie watching experience.
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This OLED panel? Yes, Snow Leopard? Yes

Blu-Ray and Netbook? No
 
One more thing

I don't know if anyone has thought of this, but couldn't, nay, shouldn't, nay, must not Apple eventually increase the size of the screen on the Iphone?

Currently its 3.5'' diagnol. But if they would move the home button to the side and make the screen the entire front, then they could pack a 5.1'' screen on the current Iphone.

If they would slightly increase the size of the Iphone, say .5 inches longer by .25 inches wider, they could fit a 6'' screen.

Would not a 6 '' Ultra High Def OLED screen be cool?
 
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