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15inch PowerBook update at MWCP (Macworld Creative Pro)

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Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Because the 15" was updated in November last year, if I remember correctly, how would you feel if after just 2 months your PowerBook is very obselete?

IT WON'T BE G5!

AppleMatt
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1. Calm down. I did NOT say it would be a G5, in fact I said I didn't think it would be a G5.

2. Regarding "how would you feel...?" Apple won't hold up a product to protect someones "feelings." Thinking that is very naive. They want to sell products and have to *know* that people who are buying an Airport Extreme base station will be reluctant to buy a 15" without Airport Extreme when the 12" and 17" don't have it, meaning lost sales. Apple doesn't want that. There is another reason, besides "protecting feelings" that cause the delay, and I am curious as to what it is.


If I bought a 15" in November 2002 and then saw a 12" and 17" intro'd with those specs, I'd feel mine was obsolete. BUT the point is, Apple doesn't care about whether people "feel" their machine is obsolete. At some point people will have bought PBs (and most people don't follow the rumor sites) so they won't know new ones are coming, hence they'll feel obsolete.
 
why 7 - 10 day lead time?

Something has to be going on with the 15" doesn't it? Why the 7 - 10 day lead times on the 15"?

If we were betting... I'd say the 12" stays pretty much the same, maybe with the 1Ghz processor, but gets another price cut. The 15" gets the Al case, and all of the new upgrades to put it in line with the 12" and 17". I bet we'll see a 1Gig at the low, and 1.25 at the high. The 17" will stay pretty much the same and get the 1.25 as well.

That would put everything in line with each other (most companies like a consistant product line). It probably didn't cost that much or take that much investment to implement since they're probably running full bore on the G5, G5 Xserve and I'd bet they've at least started a G5 powerbook program ( 12 - 18 months development time).

I'd guess, before a "back to school rush", they'd be concerned more with getting prices down than upgrades/performance.

Guess we'll all find out pretty soon.

Either way, I suspect I order a new PB next week...

...Jim
 
I think that whatever happens, Apple needs to replace the 15-inch. Almost all the other models support Airport Extreme (except perhaps the iBooks), so it looks likely there will at least be an update for that.

Unfortunately, the PBG5 looks a loooong way off from what I've seen of the PowerMac. Those G5s are slick and powerful, but nine fans in the desktop make me somewhat wary of the heat problem. But perhaps IBM will help out with that and create a low-power G5 to stick in those aluminum cases.

Just my two cents.
 
Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by centauratlas
At some point people will have bought PBs (and most people don't follow the rumor sites) so they won't know new ones are coming, hence they'll feel obsolete.
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Hee hee hee... look at us, we all read the rumor sites and have all put off buying 15" PB's since January - who is smarter, the ones who don't read these sites, bought in January, and have been enjoying their PB's for about 7 months, or us...

P.S. Why are most posters to this thread newbies???

Grizzly
 
G5 Power Issues? Number of Fans as evidence?

Ok, I've heard a lot of people decide that the G5 must be an egg skillet in terms of heat. The evidence cited? The G5 tower has 9 fans.

Ok, for heat dissipation, Apple has two choices

1. Put in a few high air volume, but noisy fans in the case

2. Put more (say nine) lower air volume, but whisper quiet, fans in the case.

In light of the older MDD's fiasco, I'd bet on option 2. Could the heat generated by a Dual G5 be about the same as older Pmacs but with a more precise, and quieter cooling system? If so, couldn't a lower clocked G5 be ok in a powerbook chassis?

Personally, I'm not buyin' until the G5 get's into a thin, 15in alubook. Until then, my money keeps earning 1/4 of a percent. :(
 
Oh Definitely

If I'd had the money in Jan, I would have bought a TiBook, for sure, and enjoyed it for the past 6 months.

When I buy any tech "thing" I know the price will either go down, or the product will get enhanced in the next 6 months. Guaranteed. If you find something you like, at the price you're willing to pay, then just go for it...

In this case, I really only got the cash to buy in the last few weeks, and with a potential announcement only a week away or so, I might as well just wait. If, by the end of July, there's nothing confirmed, then I'll just pop for the best 15" I can configure and know that sometime they'll upgrade it...

I don't think people with a current 15" TiBook are going to end up all that envious of the next upgrade...
 
um... multiple fans in a pb? how will that affect the battery life?

i have a feeling that you'll be holding on to your money for a long time if you are going to wait for a g5 pb. just my feeling. if you need a laptop, i'd just get one. processor isn't the only thing that matters.

i hope a revamped 15" gets released... a friend of mine is dying to buy one but knows enough to avoid the ti just because of the "imminent" release of al 15".
 
As others have said

and i´ll repeat since i have nothing better to do...computers are like cars, only more so, they are obsolete and lose 50% of their value as soon as you walk the box out of the store. No matter how long you wait, there will always be something better.

I was all set to buy the 15" Ti last month until it became clear that new laptop would likely be introduced this month, which means that if I waited a month I had a very good chance of buying that selfsame Ti for $200, 300...or whatever less.

While a 1.25Ghz 15.4" AlPB with backlit keyboard and etc would be supercool, I would only buy it over a cheap Ti in the highly unlikely event that Apple has changed the GPU to the ATI 9600MR and put the GPU on an upgradable daughterboard. Which I think we would have heard about. Otherwise a 15" Ti for 1899 or whatever is super cool enough for me.

cheers,

T
 
new powerbooks

i've wated so long for the new powerbooks im hoping they release them next week, im also hoping that we will be able to buy them witin that week cuz i don't see why thed wait so long unless they were stocking up on the new ones. im going to a convention on the 26th so im hoping to have one by then, i don't think my chanses are that good.
 
Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by centauratlas
2. Regarding "how would you feel...?" Apple won't hold up a product to protect someones "feelings." Thinking that is very naive. They want to sell products and have to *know* that people who are buying an Airport Extreme base station will be reluctant to buy a 15" without Airport Extreme when the 12" and 17" don't have it, meaning lost sales. Apple doesn't want that. There is another reason, besides "protecting feelings" that cause the delay, and I am curious as to what it is.

If I bought a 15" in November 2002 and then saw a 12" and 17" intro'd with those specs, I'd feel mine was obsolete. BUT the point is, Apple doesn't care about whether people "feel" their machine is obsolete. At some point people will have bought PBs (and most people don't follow the rumor sites) so they won't know new ones are coming, hence they'll feel obsolete.
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It's not about feeling, it's about company image. When I said feeling, I meant just that, do you think the people who felt that would shrug their shoulders and walk on? Apple would get torn to pieces if they updated their PowerBooks (supposedly the Pro line) within 2 months of each other, thinking anything else is naive.

Something, yes, has held up the 15". But there is no way Apple would have updated the 15" in November if they were going to re-update in January.

If you bought a 15" in Novemeber I do not see why you would think you were obselete, the 12", 15" and 17" PowerBooks are different machines for different purposes.

Also don't tell me what to do. Free speech remember?

AppleMatt
 
Re: HA RIGHT...

Originally posted by DrGonzo
That's sad that all you're hoping for is the update to Aluminum. I definately think they'll have a faster processor in the 15", along with the FW800/BT/AE. I'm sure the processor speed will match the 17" book. 17" really isn't about speed, more about screen real estate, though having the top-of-the-line processor in the 17" doesn't hurt as it is the top-of-the-line laptop (though i don't see it that way).

I think i might just buy this PB update and then upgrade when the G5 comes out in a laptop.
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I should have been clearer. When I said "update to aluminum" I meant the aluminum case as well as the other upgrades that have come with the Aluminum PowerBooks (AE, Bluetooth, etc.)
 
I do think that an update to be current with the rest of the Aluminum line--Bluetooth, FW 800, AirPort Extreme, etc--is coming for the TiBook line. It's just a matter of when.

And I can't see the chief hardware person giving the keynote without something more to say about hardware than going over what's already known and announced. Conversely, it's not a Stevenote, so any hardware announcements won't pack quite the whizz-bang that Steve's usually do.

Updating the TiBook with the new enclosure and other AlBook goodies, but not with a new processor, would certainly fall in line with those expectations.

But I'm going to swallow the lust I'll inevitably feel when they do release the 15-ish" AlBook, until it has the G5, or whatever they come up with next. I like my TiBook to much to trade it in without the upgrade being an almost wholly different computer.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by GrizzlyHippo
Hee hee hee... look at us, we all read the rumor sites and have all put off buying 15" PB's since January - who is smarter, the ones who don't read these sites, bought in January, and have been enjoying their PB's for about 7 months, or us...
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My feelings exactly.. I feel like I've been in computer limbo since jan.
 
Here I thought i was being all slick by selling my Tibook 667 a week before WWDC.

They gotta update the line right? I definitely sold at the right time, right? C'mon new Albook!

And instead, I got PLAYED. :p

Yeah, i got more for it than i would get now, but being sans-laptop for weeks (feels like years) has been a real pain.

I really hope apple doesn't sell me out again.
 
I'm being optimistic. 1ghz with Superdrive wasn't what anybody was expecting initially, either. Besides, this'll be my first Apple machine--it must be glorious.
 
honestly i'm just hoping for an aluminum something-or-other at this point.

You win Apple.

You've broken my spirit and bent my will.

Just promise me that there'll be something laptop-like presented on Wednesday and the money's yours.

Deal?
 
the mpc7457 and MWCP

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7457&nodeId=03C1TR046708718653

i've dumped this in a couple other threads before, and i'm surprised the old moto g4 story hasn't popped up here yet.

this new moto g4 chip is due out q3 2003 (that's july-sept . . .). runs at 1.3GHz, low power 1.3V, and is pin compatible with the 7455/45 (think easy for apple to swap on the 17" and 15"). l2 cache is increased to 512kb. a lower core voltage at 1.1V runs at 1GHz (think 12" upgrade). add support for 2MB l3.

if moto for once is on the ball on this, wednesday might not be so bad after all . . . here's to the new 15" (god forbid i buy another damn dell)
-cero
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by AppleMatt
It's not about feeling, it's about company image. When I said feeling, I meant just that, do you think the people who felt that would shrug their shoulders and walk on? Apple would get torn to pieces if they updated their PowerBooks (supposedly the Pro line) within 2 months of each other, thinking anything else is naive.

Something, yes, has held up the 15". But there is no way Apple would have updated the 15" in November if they were going to re-update in January.

If you bought a 15" in Novemeber I do not see why you would think you were obselete, the 12", 15" and 17" PowerBooks are different machines for different purposes.

Also don't tell me what to do. Free speech remember?

AppleMatt
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Sorry pal, this is still a consumer's prospective, not a company's. Advancements and upgrades are the basis of technology. You buy your computer with obsolescence in mind.

It's very unintelligent to consider the "relative" newness of your technology purchase as a part of the computers value. Yet when most people purchase Mac's and bleeding edge Wintels, they're really purchasing status.

However, that status means very little to a for-profit corporation. It's about sales. And if with more and more product releases and upgrades they can bring in more sales for a greater profit, that's what they're primarily concerned with because that's the primary basis of their company image.

Frankly, I think that the current time of about 6-months is too long a time between regular upgrades. I think it should be quarterly, even without them increasing their pace of advancement. If they released models twice as often with half of the upgrades, they'd be better off.

At least then, people would be so used to having their computer become obsolete faster and it wouldn't matter as much. And we could knock off all this fasting for 6 months because something better is coming and just buy a new computer the next time we need it.

-Hertz
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??

Originally posted by MhzDoesMatter
Frankly, I think that the current time of about 6-months is too long a time between regular upgrades. I think it should be quarterly, even without them increasing their pace of advancement. If they released models twice as often with half of the upgrades, they'd be better off. At least then, people would be so used to having their computer become obsolete faster and it wouldn't matter as much. And we could knock all this fasting for 6 months because something better is coming and just by a new computer the next time we need it.
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good call. i agree with this. there's this misconception that because you spend thousands of dollars (generally) that the technology is expected to be the top of the line for a certain amount of time, which does not make any sense for a fast advancing field. it is more about the status, as you put it. we should always remember that newer technology does not make the old one immediately obsolete...

i'm all for buying what you need when needed...
 
News Flash

There I was, checking my emails, when I saw the Apple eNews update...

The usual stuff - all about Shake, the G5 and its infinite ports, yadda-yadda-yadda...

And then...

at the end of the G5 blurb, along came this:

One more thing...

If you’re in New York for next week’s Macworld CreativePro conference, you’ll want to be among those who get to see the new Power Mac G5 during its first public display.

And don’t miss Greg Joswiak’s feature presentation. "Joz," Apple’s VP of Hardware Product Marketing, addresses the CreativePro crowd on Wednesday, July 16, from 9:30 to 10:30 am.
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Now - is it JUST ME?!? or does the quote "...One more thing..." conjure up Steve Jobs-like images of new gizmos and gadgets? They WANT us to see, because SOMETHING is going to be released - and it HAS to be the new 15"...

Otherwise, why watch a non-event?

Food for thought... Opinions?

;)
 
Hey everyone, I’m new here... actually, I’m only new to posting here, I’ve been lurking for about a year or so ;)

Anyway, I signed up for the free MacWorld pass provided in the link posted at the bottom of story, unfortunately they ran out... I'm in need of at least 5 of these free passes, if anyone knows another site to get them from or if anyone has extras I'd love to take them off your hands... im trying to convert a few of my friends from PC to mac ;)

Oh, and sorry my first post is a request... kinda lame on my part :(

TIA.


.//chris
 
Re: News Flash

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
There I was, checking my emails, when I saw the Apple eNews update...

The usual stuff - all about Shake, the G5 and its infinite ports, yadda-yadda-yadda...

And then...

at the end of the G5 blurb, along came this:



Now - is it JUST ME?!? or does the quote "...One more thing..." conjure up Steve Jobs-like images of new gizmos and gadgets? They WANT us to see, because SOMETHING is going to be released - and it HAS to be the new 15"...

Otherwise, why watch a non-event?

Food for thought... Opinions?

;)
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Well I'm sure it's not a big secret code or anything, but yeah it seems like they kinda want us to go. Apple's not too tight with IDG at this point which accounts for the low-key announcement and the visible lack o' Steve. "One more thing" certainly adds credence to the notion that they're showing something, I can only hope it's a new 15".
 
Estimated Shipping Time Now At 1-3 Days

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
... SOMETHING is going to be released - and it HAS to be the new 15"...
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Don't know the significance of this, if any, but the estimated shipping time for the 15" PowerBook (at the Apple Store) just moved up to "1-3 days". Esimated shipping time had been listed as "7-10 days" for the past week or so.
 
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