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15inch PowerBook update at MWCP (Macworld Creative Pro)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??
They can only work with what they have.
SO last december the 7455 G4 was appropriate at 1ghz for the 15'' pbook.
If they wanted to go faster using the same chip it would also mean hotter/more power.
At some point soon they may upgrade to the rumored 7457 chip at 1.3 Ghz @ presumably same heat and power as 1 Ghz 7455 .
What would be the point of only releasing at say 1.15 Ghz when they could release at 1.3 just so it would allow them to bring out a 1.3Ghz 6 months later.
They can only work with what they have.
SO last december the 7455 G4 was appropriate at 1ghz for the 15'' pbook.
If they wanted to go faster using the same chip it would also mean hotter/more power.
At some point soon they may upgrade to the rumored 7457 chip at 1.3 Ghz @ presumably same heat and power as 1 Ghz 7455 .
What would be the point of only releasing at say 1.15 Ghz when they could release at 1.3 just so it would allow them to bring out a 1.3Ghz 6 months later.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why the delay??
Because :
Because :
- MacUsers only buy new products.
- MacUsers buy new products.
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The first one: Apple's sales always trickle to a stop after a few months because once a computer system gets old, interest drops. No one who wants to buy a brand new system wants to buy a brand new old system. It's obsolescence is rarely sufficiently offset by discounts, so the value isn't there. But by constantly having new products released, Apple could keep their shelves and inventories fresh.
The Second one: There's something fundamentally primal about the effect new hardware releases from Apple has on the Mac user-base. There is no other sensible explanation for why a press release, keynote stream, or update web page can cause normally sensible people who are perfectly satisfied with their current computer to become possessed with an instinctive imperative to purchase a newly released piece of hardware. These people are just compelled to do so. By constantly releasing new computers, no matter how incremental the technological advancement, Apple the spur purchases even among their current installed base.
Here's hoping Apple stops playing softball with the market, grows a pair, and institutes the Up-To-Date Hardware Subscription Program.
Official Apple Press release:
"So basically, forget all this waiting for random upgrades crap. Just give us 10 grand now and for a one year you'll get what ever hardware we release with trade in."
-Apple Marketing Guy
Now who doubts that Apple would be rolling in a couple of hard mill in after about a month?
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Actually, of the 5 apple computers i've owned, only 1 of them was a brand spanking newly announced system. I'd bought each of the others as a discounted item in some way, shape or form. Usually it was the system that had been at the top of the heap up until the announcement of something new. They were all very capable pieces of hardware, and i can assure you they didn't perform like obsolete machines.
i just want them to come out already how long do you think it will take them to ship out cuz i want one asap cuz im going to a NYLF convention in cali and it would be cool if i had a lappy by then im goning on the 26th of this month, i know its not doutful that i'll have on by then unless they do the same thing they did with the new ipods like shipping real quick.
If Powerbooks not at MWCP in NY, then when?
If the Powerbooks are not updated at MacWorld Creative Pro in New York next week, does anyone know when the next mac conference will be? Or at least when the next possible chance will be for Apple to publicly release an updated powerbook?
If the Powerbooks are not updated at MacWorld Creative Pro in New York next week, does anyone know when the next mac conference will be? Or at least when the next possible chance will be for Apple to publicly release an updated powerbook?
Re: If Powerbooks not at MWCP in NY, then when?
I don't even want to think about that. I've been waiting for so long....
Society and mac deprivation have destroyed my patience. I am a spoiled child tempted by the promise of candy, and by god, I WANT IT!
I don't even want to think about that. I've been waiting for so long....
Society and mac deprivation have destroyed my patience. I am a spoiled child tempted by the promise of candy, and by god, I WANT IT!
Re: If Powerbooks not at MWCP in NY, then when?
Of course, Apple may not feel the need to wait for a conference or other "event", especially if it's a relatively minor update. I think everyone is pretty well resigned to the idea that we're not going to see a G5-based PowerBook "anytime soon" (to use Greg Joswiak's words) and so it's likely that the next update will primarily serve to bring the 15" PowerBook more in line with the 12" and 17" PowerBooks' features (e.g. Aluminum case and AirPort Extreme instead of AirPort). If that's the case, it seems as though "any time now" would be a good time to make such an announcement.
If an updated PowerBook is not announced at MWNY, another scenario that's been floated is that they'll do it at Apple Expo 2003, which will be held in Paris, France in September. I don't think I'll be able to wait that long.
Of course, Apple may not feel the need to wait for a conference or other "event", especially if it's a relatively minor update. I think everyone is pretty well resigned to the idea that we're not going to see a G5-based PowerBook "anytime soon" (to use Greg Joswiak's words) and so it's likely that the next update will primarily serve to bring the 15" PowerBook more in line with the 12" and 17" PowerBooks' features (e.g. Aluminum case and AirPort Extreme instead of AirPort). If that's the case, it seems as though "any time now" would be a good time to make such an announcement.
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Time to weigh in!
Time to weigh in!
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There is NO bloody obsolesence when a new version comes out!!!!!
How loudly does this have to be shouted and how often repeated? OBSOLETE, in this case, means that it has no functional value in the current technological advances. But, holy merde, the computer you drooled over yesterday is the same bloody item after the next model comes out. Is this a Mac thing? I don't see the average Windoze user thinking like this.
"O, Lord, a new computer is coming out... the one I was going to order... well, how could I? It will be obsolete!" (hands are wrung, tears flow and the Kool-Aid is contemplated while the shroud is dusted off and ironed).
Man!!
And when the 15" comes out in a revamped form, it will have to be aluminium. There is no point keeping with painted Ti. from now on, with IBMs rapidly advancing chips, changes in the line should be more frequent. Will THAT stop the "obsolete" thing or make it worse?
Obsolete is only when your computer cant run normal software and when it cant run the newest os, not when it has an outdates case design
WHEN WILL THEY BE OUT BY??
if they release the laptops wensday how long do you think it will tke them to get a mass quantity to the public, the day they release im gona preorder mine but how long do you Mac Gurus think it will take to get in, i live in arkansas so there isn't like a mass need for macs or people to use them. so what you guys think
IKash
if they release the laptops wensday how long do you think it will tke them to get a mass quantity to the public, the day they release im gona preorder mine but how long do you Mac Gurus think it will take to get in, i live in arkansas so there isn't like a mass need for macs or people to use them. so what you guys think
IKash
Right, And I'm not taking 4 hours off from work for the sole purpose of going to MacWorld and buying a new laptop.
Really
It probably wont take too long for the powerbooks to start shipping since it is not a huge update. When the new ipod came out it only took a week or so
The Berklee College of Music in Boston requires its students to buy Apple laptops, which the school purchases in bulk from Apple and then resells.
Until yesterday, their Web site said that the hardware details would be posted the week of July 7. They're now saying that the details will appear on July 14. This is the best indication I've seen that a new model will be announced on Monday.
Until yesterday, their Web site said that the hardware details would be posted the week of July 7. They're now saying that the details will appear on July 14. This is the best indication I've seen that a new model will be announced on Monday.
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Weigh in all you want but do realize that if one is in the market for a computer it does not make sense to invest in old technology if your buying new. This is even more so in the case of Apples especially at a time when they are introducing major new technologies. It isn't a question of buying obsolete computers as there is a market for them, it is a question of getting the best value for your money.
I really have no idea how much of a rev the new PowerBooks are going to have made to them. Considering recent events that are public, the performance and features advantages of the "to be released" Powerbooks could be significant. Or maybe not I don't know for sure, but everyone does realize the hardware release will be very soon now. The new Powerbooks could have a G4 running in the 1.6GHz range, with FW800 and USB2 and possibly a host of other features.
Does this make the current Powerbooks obsolete - Nope. It does however question the wisdom of somebody buying today hardware at list prices. A wise individual will wait for the new releases and either buy the new machines or search for a huge discount on the older hardware. This is just good sound money management.
As far as the average pc user goes I would have to disagree with your statement. An informed PC buyer will also make himself knowledgeable in the state of the market and plan purchases accordingly. On the other hand I do have to admit that there are a huge number of PC users that don't have a clue, but I'm not in the habit of supporting ignorance or justifying it.
Thanks
Dave
Weigh in all you want but do realize that if one is in the market for a computer it does not make sense to invest in old technology if your buying new. This is even more so in the case of Apples especially at a time when they are introducing major new technologies. It isn't a question of buying obsolete computers as there is a market for them, it is a question of getting the best value for your money.
I really have no idea how much of a rev the new PowerBooks are going to have made to them. Considering recent events that are public, the performance and features advantages of the "to be released" Powerbooks could be significant. Or maybe not I don't know for sure, but everyone does realize the hardware release will be very soon now. The new Powerbooks could have a G4 running in the 1.6GHz range, with FW800 and USB2 and possibly a host of other features.
Does this make the current Powerbooks obsolete - Nope. It does however question the wisdom of somebody buying today hardware at list prices. A wise individual will wait for the new releases and either buy the new machines or search for a huge discount on the older hardware. This is just good sound money management.
As far as the average pc user goes I would have to disagree with your statement. An informed PC buyer will also make himself knowledgeable in the state of the market and plan purchases accordingly. On the other hand I do have to admit that there are a huge number of PC users that don't have a clue, but I'm not in the habit of supporting ignorance or justifying it.
Thanks
Dave
Re: As others have said
A new ATI GPU is a good possibility as they are or have been working very hard on getting it finalized. It might even be the reason for the delay in the upgrade fo the 15 PowerBook. Being that I'm in NY this is just a guess based on info floating around.
You are also correct in your summation of the value of PCs. Even if somebody would be satisfied with the current PowerBook, it would be smart to wait for the new ones to come out and get that discount. You will also know exactly what you would be missing in the new machine.
I'm still thinking that we will see a significant boost in overall performance of the PowerBook. With the G5, and other processor announcements there really is no reason not to.
thanks
dave
A new ATI GPU is a good possibility as they are or have been working very hard on getting it finalized. It might even be the reason for the delay in the upgrade fo the 15 PowerBook. Being that I'm in NY this is just a guess based on info floating around.
You are also correct in your summation of the value of PCs. Even if somebody would be satisfied with the current PowerBook, it would be smart to wait for the new ones to come out and get that discount. You will also know exactly what you would be missing in the new machine.
I'm still thinking that we will see a significant boost in overall performance of the PowerBook. With the G5, and other processor announcements there really is no reason not to.
thanks
dave
I was at an Apple store last night looking seriously at the 15".
They were offering lots of incentives.
-$100 for educational discount.
-$200 if I bought an iPod with it
6 mos free financing.
So I'm hanging tight untill monday to see what happens.
They were offering lots of incentives.
-$100 for educational discount.
-$200 if I bought an iPod with it
6 mos free financing.
So I'm hanging tight untill monday to see what happens.
I hope your right man, but this makes me think what are they going to have at macworld, cuz they specified times and dates. the ipods did ship quick like they released i think it was tuesday and i had mine by friday, but that was alos great work by whatever company they used to ship it. im hoping the new 15" al PB will have audio in and out and a backlit keybord, mabe they even did something with the battery but who knows i guess we'll have to see. one other thing on the quote, someone told me that apple likes to release things on tuesdays the reason is unknown but why would they release on monday?
iKash
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