As I'm sure you realize, that's because you chose the M4 Pro chips.
The "MacBook Pro" with normal M4's start at 16GB of RAM.
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16 GB of RAM for a Pro device is not okay
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As I'm sure you realize, that's because you chose the M4 Pro chips.
The "MacBook Pro" with normal M4's start at 16GB of RAM.
It would be great if modular design were reintroduced across the board, but I don't think it will - people tend to want to most performance in the smallest (excepting the screen) and least expensive package - a modular laptop, like the type Framework sell, will come at a premium, and the premium will be for the modularity. As with Framework, ignoring their USP, the modularity, the performance of their machines is "just OK". That's going to be a stumbling block if they ever want to get beyond being a niche laptop supplier.
Yes, but the OP made an open ended/blanket statement that said "16 GB of ram is default in the MacBook Pros!" He made no distinction over model types.
Yes, but you chose to select a higher spec CPU and then said the MBPs start at 24gb of ram.
The M4 MacBook Pros start at 16gb of RAM.
I'm happy to debate where the line should start at in terms of RAM, but we should at least stay factual on what the actual base specs are, no?
Fair?
I think most normal folks would interpret the defaults as what loads up when you hit "buy" on the MBP page.
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That gets you this:
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I showed all stock configurations for the 16" MBP, and all three configurations have > 16GB.
Two out of the three 14" MBPs comes with 16GB and the third has 24. Again all stock not BTO
I agree 100%, the point is that for stock configurations, apple sells 6 models (3 14" models and 3 16" models), out of those 6 models, only 2 that start with 16GB.
The other problem with the rant, is that its easy for the consumer to upgrade the ram at time of purchase.
Definitely, why make complaints that apple does not offer choices when in fact we have choices and options.
I promise I'm not trying to be argumentative, but can we just be fair here?
The OP didn't mention anything about a 16" model specifically.
Also, the OP didn't say they don't offer choices .. they were upset that the line doesn't start at 16GB, across the board, for MacBook "pro" models. (which they do not)
I think anyone being reasonable understood what the complaint was.
There are, of course, ways to spec up the build and get more RAM.
That's 100% not the point of what the OP was saying.
You're very intelligent .. I have to think you know what the OP meant.
Honestly, I would just appreciate some acknowledgement of that.
It's seems incredibly obvious to anyone reading the original post.
Depends what you do with it really. I have a 16GB M1Pro and it still crushes my Final Cut Pro 4K x 4 multicam workflow (~1 hour projects). And that's with a bunch of other stuff open in the background.
If I was buying today, I'd probably step up to a bit more RAM, but to say that 16GB RAM isn't 'Pro' is a bit silly. Not everyone needs more than that, and the Professionals that do need more than that, know that they do.
I won't defend Apple's pricing though.
Wait until we get the M5 Pro extreme ultra with ultimate gpu
Base level consumer in many ways, is where pro level performance used to be. This is why I am thinking of going from an M1 Pro 32/1 to an M4 Air 24/512. The compute in the M1 Macs was fine for me but I had to buy the M1 Pro to get more RAM and external monitor capability.
Wait until we get the M5 Pro extreme ultra with ultimate gpu
I'd like to see the M4 MacBook Budget that's rumored to be out later this year or early next.
Wrong. Macbook Pro versus Macbook Air is not about some pro usage that you define how much RAM is cost-appropriate for each user.
Buyers make their own decisions. E.g.
• Some want to spend their computing lives with the much superior display of the Macbook Pro, fully independent of how much RAM their workflow needs.
• Some want to spend their computing lives with the much superior speakers of the Macbook Pro, fully independent of how much RAM their workflow needs.
• Some want to spend their computing lives with the much superior Max chip and 546 GB/s (versus the 120GB/s of the MBA) memory bandwidth of the Macbook Pro, fully independent of how much RAM their workflow needs.
• Some want to spend their computing lives with the much higher available RAM (128 GB MBP versus the 32 GB of the MBA) of the Macbook Pro, fully independent of how much RAM you proclaim that their workflow needs. If Apple fails to offer adequate available RAM on the higher end Macbook Pro line then we all should complain.
• Some simply want to spend their computing lives with the overall much superior Macbook Pro but they A) neither heavily multi-task nor use RAM demanding apps and B) are willing to tolerate a shorter life cycle. The Mac OS will unequivocally make 16 GB RAM work for such users.
No disrespect intended, but whines about wanting more tech (base RAM, display quality, WiFi, whatever) for no added cost get old. We get it, everyone wants more for less.
Folks who like on statements like "They have made it like that so they could sell you the upgrade for $200" fail to grasp business and product pricing.
Apple makes base (16 GB-48 GB) RAM relatively low so the base boxes can be priced relatively lower and sell more $1600-$4000 base MBPs. Apple does not make it "like that so they could sell you the upgrade for $200." We agree that Apple overcharges for RAM <sigh>, but Apple's motivation for choosing their 16-48 GB base RAM amounts is not simplistically "so they could sell you the upgrade for $200." That is just silly.
Many users will suffice for years just fine with 16 GB RAM. Wanting Apple to waste money providing 2x RAM to them is nuts. Complain instead about Apple overcharging for the RAM upgrades that many of us consider important.
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Wait, consumers being allowed to make choices? That’s insane! We ALL know that the only valid choice in today’s world revolves around app stores and app stores ONLY! /s
They have made it like that so that people will think “More is better and the base doesn’t have more so I’m forced to get more just in case I need more though I really have no idea if I need more or not!”
If the base came with 64 and there was an option for 128, it would still be, “The base shouldn’t ship with 64 if 128 is available as an option!!”
Well, based on this forum, being a professional means you need lots and lots of RAM and your GPU must run Cyberpunk 2077 well.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there. Let’s not jump to conclusions!
The point is to have a low introductory price that they can advertise, knowing that many would want to upgrade to a slightly higher tier, but the low starting price is the hook that gets people looking
Apple doesn’t want us to buy from third parties, at a discount and losing a cut of the profit. They need some reason to get you to buy from them instead. The low intro spec may help them with that, but obviously not ideal for us lol
every time i read a variation of this post what i am really hearing is mac ram upgrades are too expensive.
we all agree.
we all agree.
They have made it like that so the cost conscious can save $200.
I don't know why people insist on using the cheapest model as the reference price-- Apple certainly doesn't.
Yup. All of us using computers as tools for decades had apps/OSs running under far, far less RAM in the past. Hardware competence constantly increases and apps/OSs constantly take advantage of more RAM as time goes on.
As we configure new boxes to last for 5-10 years we need to remember that 40-year truism: apps/OSs constantly take advantage of more RAM. Always.
This RAM argument is never going to stop.
For a product that starts at $1,000, 16GB of RAM is acceptable by everyone.
For a product that starts at $1,000, 16GB of RAM is acceptable by everyone.
