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16-Inch MacBook Pro Available Today at Apple Stores in United States With Pickup Reservation

Sabelonada said:
It's Apple's implementation overall that makes it unavailable. Putting the blame on Intel seems to shift the blame. It's unreasonable to expect Intel to have the technology, which is rather new in final format, to be in the current CPUs. Apple sticking soldered on components and not offering a M2 slot for WIFI is on Apple not Intel.
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I don’t understand why you think you have some argument with me. I never “put the blame” on Intel. I never said I “expect Intel to have the technology” at all, so why tell me that’s an unreasonable expectation?

I said from the very beginning Apple appeared to be waiting for Intel’s integrated solution. Unless you disagree with that, I really don’t know what you think you’re arguing with me about.

If Apple had wanted to include WiFi 6 and use a non-Intel solution for this MBP—or the upcoming Mac Pro, for that matter—they would have done so, as they did with iPhone 11. They apparently didn’t think it was that big a deal. That’s all I can infer from their actions, anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyone who thinks they need WiFi 6 can either wait for Apple to offer it, or if they aren’t interested in waiting for Apple, they can buy another brand. I really don’t see any other real option, but maybe I’m missing something.
 
Just another update. They still haven't fixed the slow migration problem. Using an Apple thunderbolt 3 cable and target disk mode, you get about 60 mb/s. Using it with both machines running you get 20 mb/s Because it always forces WiFi migration. Cloning the old machine to an external usb 3.1 ssd, then Migrating from that clone you get 400 mb/s.

carbon copy cloner, yet again, saves the day.
 
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It was so hard to walk out of the 5th Avenue Apple store without one of these today. The keyboard, display and speakers are a joy. But I must wait until my BTO is shipped next week...

They had the silver and space gray.
 
I was within the return window for my 2019" 15", so I picked a 16" 8-core and returned the 15". Yeah, this keyboard is significantly better and makes all of the difference. I can barely feel the extra chunkiness of the 16".
 
TechZeke said:
I doubt any of ideas on this forum, the engineers at Apple haven't already thought about. Clearly, the engineering team has decided that on a laptop display, going beyond ~220 PPI has diminishing returns. Extra battery time and better UI performance is most likely more important to most users from their perspective.

Redheeler, you can't possibly believe that the average MBP buyer is complaining over some ridiculously subtle difference in sharpness or some new Wi Fi standard when the vast majority of Wi Fi networks can't even max out the previous two standards. Hate me all you want, but you just need to complain about something.
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Just another way to phrase the same old "Apple knows best" defense I see way too often on these forums. In reality, I don't believe you have any real evidence that a small PPI increase would result in noticeably worse battery life or UI performance. With UI performance it may be just the opposite, at least on the resolution of 1920x1200 HiDPI, as that resolution will become native and won't need to be downscaled.

With Wi-Fi, you're right, 802.11ax is not a must-have now in 2019. I'm actually thinking many years ahead, to the standards of 2024 or beyond, because I expect Macs purchased now to stay usable for a long time. That is not an unreasonable expectation.
 
Is there still a speed advantage (read/write speeds) to ordering a larger SSD? If so, how much?
Same question for RAM, is there a speed advantage (e.g. by using multiple channels) to ordering more RAM? Provided all the program/data fits in 16GB, does ordering more RAM provide any speed advantage in terms of throughput?
 
MacFather said:
An improved product across the board with 2x more base storage at no additional cost. Is Tim Cook alive and well??
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They snuck this in while he was busy counting beans lol
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Rafterman said:
Magsafe take up too much space, the Apple logo, while it looks cool, is a waste of battery power and non-replaceable parts started under Jobs.
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Apple logo didn’t use any extra power. It was simply a semi-translucent plastic. The light was reflected from the backlight used for the display. It was iconic, but needed to go when Apple changed display technology — at least that is my assumption. Can’t think of another reason why they would take it out.
 
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I would lobe to get my fingers on one. Actually I‘m on holidays and visited the apple store in Bangkok. Sadly they don‘t even have a single one to show. While you can already get them in the USA :/

Last summer I broke my late 13 15“ Display, while it made contact with the floor. It still works fine on a display, but can‘t be used mobile anymore :( I‘m struggeling, because 15“ was a bit to chunky for my needs. I would love to see a renewed 13“ as 14“. Where is the improvement of the 13“? What do you think? Will we see a lovely 14“ in nearest future?
 
Joeinger said:
I would lobe to get my fingers on one. Actually I‘m on holidays and visited the apple store in Bangkok. Sadly they don‘t even have a single one to show. While you can already get them in the USA :/

Last summer I broke my late 13 15“ Display, while it made contact with the floor. It still works fine on a display, but can‘t be used mobile anymore :( I‘m struggeling, because 15“ was a bit to chunky for my needs. I would love to see a renewed 13“ as 14“. Where is the improvement of the 13“? What do you think? Will we see a lovely 14“ in nearest future?
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It depends on your definition of “nearest”.

MBP in the past has been re-designed every four years, so it’s due in 2020. Who knows exactly when a 13/14” model might come though, it could be March, July, or October (or some other month lol). But it is likely to happen in 2020, at some point.
 
Is 60hz the go to on display refresh? I know it means more for gaming but the 120hz on the iPad Pro has been a delight. Until I had been exposed to gaming displays of 144hz+, I probably wouldn't have cared.

I don't do enough video editing or other items that would need it? (I am speaking as a layperson)
 
moonwalk said:
All good points. Who knows? Right now I’m using my iPad Pro 2018’s ARM chip, and it mops the floor with my Macbook Pro editing 4K video. It’s wild to think that a MacBook Pro is playing catch-up to an iPad for editing video ...
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aid said:
Wouldn't this would only be a major benefit for MBP 13" (14"!?) laptops with no discrete GPU? Surely today's AMD Radeon Pro 5500M in the MPB 16" will wipe the floor with Intel's forthcoming Ice Lake chips – so even if we had Ice Lake in today's MPB 16" no one would use its video crunching abilities?
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’On the other hand, Ice Lake's Intel Iris Plus graphics should be better suited for games and graphics-intensive programs, like Adobe Photoshop and Premiere, compared to Comet Lake's UHD graphics. That said, the benchmark tests we conducted proved that Ice Lake still can't compete with a discrete GPU.’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...0th-gen-comet-lake-specs-features-model-names
 
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