Appreciate it is an opinion but maybe you are not their target audience. Most of those more money resolves: Camera with WiFi needs no SD (who wants media if it can be wireless and easy), for memory buy 64gb and 8TB now and no need to upgrade and 'crazy expensive' speaks for itself.
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Appreciate it is an opinion but maybe you are not their target audience. Most of those more money resolves: Camera with WiFi needs no SD (who wants media if it can be wireless and easy), for memory buy 64gb and 8TB now and no need to upgrade and 'crazy expensive' speaks for itself.
Clearly you’ve never used wifi to transfer photos. It is not even a good consumer solution.
All of the first look (Apple selected Pro ) reviewers lamented no SD card slot. This is definitely a target audience required feature.
I do know a top pro Motorsport shooter who does wifi to a high spec mobile phone network device in his pocket, which transfers to his computer in the race organiser provided van, then wired internet to his publisher. None of this is available to mere mortals. This is real-time one jpeg at a time, no RAW files and speed of transfer only needs to be faster than the lesser pro shooters who have to lug their cards from remote parts of the track back to their computers at the end of the day.
An SD slot would suit pros, semi pros and home users. Dongles for such a basic function are just insulting. It’s a technical limitation of the intel chips and it’s easier for Apple to say sorry, use a dongle and provide Thunderbolt out and not badmouth intel.
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Where are the benchmarks? Up to 80% faster is a claim worth investigating, don’t you think?
Are these first look reviewers incapable of running benchmarks?
Maybe they were banned from doing benchmarks. Only explanation for the tech savvy podcasters I listen to.
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Might as well get it all out. Imagine my surprise when the display I’d been running at its native speed of 70 Hz with my 2015 MacBook, could only run at 60 Hz on the expensive MacBook Pro I bought in 2018. No surprises this year, though. Still won’t run 70 Hz! Got to wonder what happens when you plug in an XDR display. Maybe they only run at 24 Hz, because that’s what “pros” use??
Fair point.
So you sound like the less than '5%' that will not make the purchase due to SD card missing.
Also known as 'not their target audience'. Think we are agreeing.
If you buy it they have won. I suspect Apple are trying to maximise profits like a business. SD card slots are problematic and do go wrong. They will make less from their warranty.
I listen to many/probably the same podcasters and they are still buying it despite it not being perfect for everyone.
Benchmark video: https://macdailynews.com/2019/11/16/16-inch-macbook-pro-benchmarks-and-thermal-performance/
Maybe lobby camera manufacturers to modernise and support the open usb c or faster wifi? Apple are not listening to you.
Dell make Frankenstein machines that may give you all the ports you need though with different compromises you may not like.
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This simply sounds like a case of design purity taken to extremes. Apple wants to go all-in on USB-C, believing that the consumer will simply find the right mix of adaptors to meet his computing needs.
In other words, just Apple being Apple.
I’m sure that may be part of the reasoning but also consider that every single use port they add/keep for you, is another potentially useless port for another customer.
I have zero use for hdmi or sd cards so why do I need to (a) pay for those ports (b) lose potential DP output (notice how the Mac mini can’t drive all supported screens via USB-c/DisplayPort - one of them has to be hdmi if you want 3 screens) so you can have slightly more convenience, maybe.
Apple designs products for the masses. I don't think people who want to hook up 3 external displays to a Mac mini represent the majority.
I agree with you that it is nice that there is no "wrong port" with USB-C, since you can turn it into whatever port (or ports) you want with the right adaptor. It's amazing being to connect a HDMI cable, usb-c charger and usb hub to a single adaptor and get display, power and data just by plugging in a single cable to such a laptop (which is precisely what I am doing with my HP elite windows tablet at work).
The versatility of USB-C makes it the perfect port to go all-in on. I suppose some might point to the existence of the headphone jack on the MBP as Apple being hypocritical, but it is what it is, I suppose.
I think the last couple of years - since the iMac Pro, continuing to the revamped Mac mini, the announced new Mac Pro, and now the new MacBook Pro - Apple has returned to actually offering machines that truly deliver what "pros" want.
My point wasn't so much that "the average person" wants to hook up three displays to a Mac mini, my point was that while the TB3 ports can do - as you said - practically anything, the HDMI port on a Mac mini not only can't do anything else, it prevents use of a third DisplayPort display.
I'd wager a similar scenario would play out on a MacBook Pro with a HDMI port - it would reduce the total number of DisplayPort outputs by one, to provide a dedicated display output to the HMDI port, which the user may or may not want to use.
I agree it's possible to argue that the Mac mini is not targeted at "pro" users. I don't agree with that argument (partly due to how usable it is as a workstation, and partly because they literally talked about it's use for "pro" use-cases at launch), and I use one as my daily workstation, but I can see how the argument can be made. It's their cheapest desktop, and literally is designed to allow "BYO" for KB/Mouse/Display. The HDMI vs DP issue on a Mac mini is kind of moot anyway - it's going to have other issues related to running three displays before "HDMI vs DisplayPort" is the biggest thing wrong, but that wasn't my point, remember.
The MacBook Pro is absolutely aimed at "pro" users. Do some people buy it just to browse facebook and MacRumors? Probably. If they want to spend $3K to do something they could also do on on a $300 iPad that's their choice, but it's absolutely targeted as a "pro" machine. This is why I find it so ridiculous that so many people claim "oh but pros want SD cards". REALLY? They don't want XQD/CFExpress card slots? They're happy with SD card slots hobbled to USB2 bus speeds?
I find that quite hard to believe.
To expand on the 'suit the masses' counter argument: if Apple were making the MBP to "suit the masses" the way other companies do (aka trying to be jack of all trades) it would do what every other PC out there does - it would have **** like 2xUSB3.0, 2xUSB2.0 (yes, really, in 2019), 1x USB-C (possibly 3.1g1, possibly 3.1g2, maybe TB3 if you're lucky), a ****ing HDMI or mini HDMI or some other ******** port, etc. Notice what's missing? Lots of high-speed multi-use ports.
Go look at a "high end" Dell or HP or whatever laptop. How many of them have even two TB3 ports?
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It shouldn't. It's really a combination between the butterfly keyboard in the past few years, and the stand alone Apple Magic Keyboard.
Ordered my system, delivery Dec 3. i9 2.3 GHz, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB, 8 GB graphics. I am a UNIX guy and the mac brings back memories of my SiliconGraphics workstations (the good old days of one vendor systems). Under the hood the experience is very similar to using a proprietary UNIX. I used the heck out of my 2009 
MBP which it will be replacing.
MBP which it will be replacing.
The 16” supports two XDR displays at 60Hz.
PS Are you sure the 2015 MBP supports 70Hz? That’s the first time I’ve heard that.
I finally got my tracking info on my maxed out specs. Should arrive on the 20th. It just left fedex facility out of Shanghai.Ordered my system, delivery Dec 3. i9 2.3 GHz, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB, 8 GB graphics. I am a UNIX guy and the mac brings back memories of my SiliconGraphics workstations (the good old days of one vendor systems). Under the hood the experience is very similar to using a proprietary UNIX. I used the heck out of my 2009
I tried one out at the store. It is, slightly. It's more apparent when you have them side by side.
Still sporting the good ol' 15" with touchbar... and just sent it to reparation for the infamous keyboard issue.
I may switch for real to 16", somewhere in the near future.
It definitely looks like that the Wifi 5 and the non-updated processors compared to the MBP15 is because Apple needed this computer to be released before Black Friday / Cyber Monday and all these "please-consume-more-little-capitalist-slave" parties. "Even though you do not need it and the planet needs the human to rethink its way of life."
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Or, you know, there are no 10th Gen H-series CPUs out? Maybe that could be it?
Hahahah maybe throw away all your butterfly keyboard for a start ... LOL
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Can you still return it ?
That's a possibility. But Apple probably wondered : "hmm shouldn't we release a nice new MBP before Christmas"? "Oh yeah we will probably sell a lot".
So your suggestion is that instead of releasing a new model that apparently solves the various “issues” professional users had with the previous model, they should wait for an unknown amount of time for as yet unannounced intel CPUs?
Because you think it “looks bad”?
Ok sure mate.
It's based on the Wireless Magic Keyboard that Apple sells. The mechanism has been improved for the MacBook Pro, however.
I never said they should. What I'm saying is that they had the choice, and that the main (this is not binary) decision criterion was very-likely to be the released date (before the end of the year where sales are good).
Note: very-likely is in bold. I can't prove this, this is just an opinion. This means that there is also a probability for you to be right about this. Just don't shoot me for not thinking like you
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