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All new redesign thermal system please!! So that it can take advantage of all those juicy cores at max speed!!! o_O
 
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This makes me feel good about the potential for a better GPU than the Vega 20 but makes me sad because I must have 3-5 85W USB-C Adapters in my house/travel kit.

Hoping a 2TB machine with 16 or 32 comes in under 4k with AppleCare but I'm guessing it probably won't.
 
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October event, here we go!



The other Thunderbolt 3 ports would be on the Mac Pro itself of course.
He talks about macbook pro with Xdr display...And he is right...a second tb3 would be nice for those who use that display with the 16" MBP
 
I suspect this will be the last introduction of a MacBook with an Intel CPU. Starting March or June next year will have MacBook Air with ARM, then Mac mini, then iMac, then MacBook Pros. The previous transition (PPC to X86) was very quick. Less than 18 months. They'll have to do the same thing this time again to be coherent.

I think they may introduce the first ARM Mac next year then wait a while for developers to make any necessary changes to account for the different chipset.

Once that process is complete they can move on with transitioning other Macs to ARM. Since this is a huge change (and considering how unstable macOS Catalina has proven to be) it makes sense to be more cautious.
 
You know it's going to be expensive. Like, Mac Pro expensive.
My guess is it will follow the Mac Pro. If it does we’ll see the same complaints from the so-called enthusiast crowd that it’s too expensive and too targeted to video producers in Hollywood.

Thinner bezels, scissor keyboard....but what new design? They’ve looked the same for several years now. What can they do? Make it a triangle?
I’m not convinced it will be a scissor keyboard. It will be different than the current butterfly for sure but it will be some new fangled engineering they can say is better than ever.
 
All new redesign thermal system please!! So that it can take advantage of all those juicy cores at max speed!!! o_O
you cannot take adv of those cores at their max speeds on an laptop...maybe for several minutes but after that will come to their basic speed
 
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If the rumors are true they are replacing the 15" model with this (15 going away). They can't leave a massive gap from the 13" (soon to be 14"?) to the 16" so it may even start at the same price as the current 15". Worst case, base price starts $500-800 higher but not $6k.
With how Apple has been introducing new products, I have slight doubts this will replace the 15". Wouldn't be at all surprised if they position this as a higher end Pro machine than the current 15".
 
Lets guess the starting price!

Current 15” starts at $2399.

I guess the starting price will be $3499, but that it won’t have enough SSD/RAM (like always...) and that the most common configuration will be $3999.

Problem is, is it worthwhile? It’s definitely gonna be more powerful than the current MBP. But I doubt they’re gonna make it thicker than the current MBP. So unless they time travel to 2025 to fetch some new technology, it’s gonna be both loud and gonna throttle if you push it. And if you don’t push it I doubt a $3999 computer is worthwhile either.
 
Question is why would they need to increase power to 96W. I don't think its a CPU so that would leave the GPU requirements. Im not into the mobile GPUs but Im not aware of any GPU better than Vega 20 that would fit MBP. Anyone?
 
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I suspect this will be the last introduction of a MacBook with an Intel CPU. Starting March or June next year will have MacBook Air with ARM, then Mac mini, then iMac, then MacBook Pros. The previous transition (PPC to X86) was very quick. Less than 18 months. They'll have to do the same thing this time again to be coherent.
The difference here is that Intel CPUs continue to outperform ARM for pro-level desktop computers (think iMac and Mac Pro). This is a different situation than PowerPC to Intel where Intel was unquestionably better, and PowerPC software ran at close to the same speed on a first-generation Mac Pro as it did on a Power Mac G5 despite the PPC emulation taking a toll on performance.

We are still years away from desktop Macs primarily based on ARM processors. However, an ARM MacBook Air may not be that far away, because ARM is already performing better than Intel for lower-power applications such as the Air. It depends whether or not the existing apps compiled for Intel will run acceptably on an ARM MacBook Air compared to a dual-core Intel despite the performance toll from emulation.
 
Question is why would they need to increase power to 96W. I don't think its a CPU so that would leave the GPU requirements. Im not into the mobile GPUs but Im not aware of any GPU better than Vega 20 that would fit MBP. Anyone?

The power adapter has to be sized so that it can charge the battery at a reasonable/decent rate, AND power the laptop should someone want to use it while the battery is charging. A larger battery could be the reason and/or the ability to charge it faster, and possibly increased power demands from the laptop (bigger display, faster cpu) itself.
 
The difference here is that Intel CPUs continue to outperform ARM for pro-level desktop computers (think iMac and Mac Pro). This is a different situation than PowerPC to Intel where Intel was unquestionably better, and PowerPC software ran at close to the same speed on a first-generation Mac Pro as it did on a Power Mac G5 despite the PPC emulation taking a toll on performance.

We are still years away from desktop Macs primarily based on ARM processors. However, an ARM MacBook Air may not be that far away, because ARM is already performing better than Intel for lower-power applications such as the Air. It depends whether or not the existing apps compiled for Intel will run acceptably on an ARM MacBook Air compared to a dual-core Intel despite the performance toll from emulation.

How do we know that ARM wouldn't outperform Intel if given enough power? It's easy to outperform ARM chip running at few watts, but how about outperforming ARM chip running at same power as Intel desktop CPUs?
 
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So with this new XDR display You can simultaneously use usbc at full tb3 speeds and three usbc at usb2 speeds
 
I suspect this will be the last introduction of a MacBook with an Intel CPU. Starting March or June next year will have MacBook Air with ARM, then Mac mini, then iMac, then MacBook Pros. The previous transition (PPC to X86) was very quick. Less than 18 months. They'll have to do the same thing this time again to be coherent.
The last transition started with the MBP.
MBP and iMac in January 2006, Mac mini in Feb 2006, MacBook in May 2006, Mac Pro in August 2006.
 
My first color PowerBook 520c was over $3400 way back. Today that be like $6000.

Great data point! In 1994 my PowerBook 540 was around $3400 including the extra battery to pop into the second battery bay. And oh yeah, it had a beautiful active-matrix grayscale display (64 grays)!

 
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How do we know that ARM wouldn't outperform Intel if given enough power? It's easy to outperform ARM chip running at few watts, but how about outperforming ARM chip running at same power as Intel desktop CPUs?
Most of the development of ARM processors in recent years has concentrated around low-power applications. No one has attempted to scale it up to compete with desktop x86, and doing so would not be an easy task.
 
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If they do that, that'd be great. I was imagining a first generation 16'' pro level first, keeping the 15'' with spec bumps for a year, then slowly bringing down features from the 16'' into the 15'' model. Seems like they typically trickle down features from high end products (screens, keyboards, ports) into lower end products over time.

Edit - hopefully not 6k; I'm thinking something like a starting price of $3,500-4k. Again, it's Apple, so who knows.
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Ha, I'm thinking they'll offer a $500 protective case. Made of titanium. 🤪
I think that the current 15 inch will stay around for a few years, but will eventually be replaced with the new 16 inch, and the 13 inch will get a similar upgrade next year. And by 2021, we will have a 14 and 16 inch MBP lineup. Very similar from back when the original MBP transitioned to Retina.
 
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