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16-Inch MacBook Pro Touch Bar Layout Confirmed in Image Found in macOS Catalina 10.15.1
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I don't know. I'm just trying to see anything. Maybe is crazy idea.
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I can see a lot of 15" models
That's great work, and those dimensions are effectively the same as the 2012 15" Retina MBP. Totally comfortable with that size.
I wish Apple would take the "new" tag off MacBook Air and MacBook Pro when you go to the Mac section of their website. It gets me every time.
Huh, that is weird, I wouldn't expect them to stop selling refurbs even if the 15" is entirely discontinued imminently? Maybe a break because they're planning on reducing the price of the 2,399 model when the 16" releases and that will affect the refurb prices (and I guess they probably don't want the rigmarole of purchases today being immediately returned or having to refund the difference?)
Ok, weird. I still can't see any. Is that the UK store you're looking at? If so, must be some sort of thing at my end...
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Possibly an issue at my end (see above) but I noticed it a few days ago. (I did wonder about having to deal with returns too but perhaps I'm over thinking all this...) Still, fun to speculate...
I'm getting the same as you describe, think @JosepPont is either looking at the wrong store or has an old cached page loading.
I didn't have any issues with the current keyboards so far (*knocks on wood*) - but I do welcome separated Escape key and Touch ID.
Sorry, not UK, I'm seeing the spanish store but I don't know why I was understood in Europe, not UK.
OK, thanks - that makes sense. Perhaps there's just not many around in the UK and it's not connected to the general supply of them.
just looked and only 13" and 15" in US, at this time. It still amazes me that a 15" MBP starts at $2400 and only has a 256GB SDD....
Or maybe people are just looking too hard for signs and portents, and this is just a fluctuation in the number of 15” models being returned in good condition suitable for refurbishment? Occam’s Razor, folks.
Or maybe we should all run after that guy carrying a gourd...
It's more the fact it's gone from the list of screen size options altogether for some reason than that there's none currently available (in which case it's usually just greyed out). Maybe unrelated, but given a lot of corroborating leaks pointing to an upcoming release it's pretty blinkered to just dismiss it.
I guess the issue here is, like me, I think there's lots of us who are in the market for a new MBP and are delaying any purchase decisions as there has been so much noise about this 16inch unit, we're all waiting for some kind of clarity one way or another. This whole episode is probably damaging Apple's MBP sales more than they care to admit.
That's not my experience with them. Yes, hitting Cmd-B is quicker than using the Touchbar. But the Touchbar is much much quicker than using the mouse to select "Bold" from a menu. Keyboard shortcuts are great, but I find there are just so many shortcut keys you can memorize, especially when the new ones you create have to function around the existing ones. I have dozens of Macros that are visually selectable quickly.
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We use BetterTouchTool (BTT) to setup the macros and the Touchbar. BTT allows you to create powerful multi-step macros visually without any programming. Some of mine do use scripts though. What's nice is you can also create visual buttons for them on the toolbar that vary in size, color, icon etc.
One set I have inserts color codes into my code. The buttons are color-coordinated for each color, and what's nice is the same buttons will insert Javascript when I'm using Visual Studio Code, C# when in Visual Studio, or Swift when in XCode.
This is a little off-topic, but I listed some more examples of Macros in this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/love-touchbar-thread-discussion-merged.2127450/post-26244338
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Not too bad I suppose. Mostly I just want access to up/down volume, brightness, and keyboard backlight controls, without the less useful sliders.
i don't, personally see the value of hiding the menu bar...since I use it for many things. But I guess, if you hide it, then these things are useful in the touchbar.
better touch tool sounds potentially useful...
but I still find the brightness/contrast of the touchbar not quite right relative to the keyboard. That still bothers me regardless. To me it looks less sharp than an iPhone screen too, which doesn't help. It just looks kind of blurry and cheap.
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Yeah. Maybe if you do a lot of audio and video I can see if might be useful. But neither are a part of my work.
i don't, personally see the value of hiding the menu bar...since I use it for many things. But I guess, if you hide it, then these things are useful in the touchbar.
better touch tool sounds potentially useful...
but I still find the brightness/contrast of the touchbar not quite right relative to the keyboard. That still bothers me regardless. To me it looks less sharp than an iPhone screen too, which doesn't help. It just looks kind of blurry and cheap.
toApple wants Touchbar install base so as to improve it in future OS updates. It's a good idea, it's just poorly supported by the OS. They even added it to Sidecar on the iPad.
They will not remove it, stop complaining and learn to love it instead
Showing the current time and battery so that you can auto-hide the menu bar; showing the current weather, showing current playing song on Spotify, let you increase/decrease Spotify volume by two-finger-swiping even when HDMI disables audio control, custom per-app and per-context macros, etc.
Install BetterTouchTool, it turns the Touchbar into something very useful.
E.g. (not mine):
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Yeah. Maybe if you do a lot of audio and video I can see if might be useful. But neither are a part of my work.
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I love being told what my workflow looks like. The last time an update broke something was... let me think... from what I recall the answer is "never". Or did you mean Windows update? I have things to say about those for sure.
Unfortunately it isn't. Hiding the rest in a spoiler, because it's really off-topic.
Helvetica Neue Thin Condensed became my default font in Chrome. Why? Because Windows. The solution found after hours of googling? Delete the font entirely. I use Helvetica Neue. Apparently it's either/or.
Intel's Can't Remember The Exact Name Super Useful Video Technology 4000 Plus that changed the gamma curve to fit the current app... then took a few seconds to blend back when I switched to another app. The only way to disable that was via editing the registry. Every single Windows update would break that and force me to do it again.
The thermal management on my Yoga C930 is largely, but not completely, hardware. Windows makes this laptop heat up noticeably more than macOS. How is that even possible?
Scrivener, my most used application, now exists as a Windows version. The problem is that in comparison it's really ugly. This is not obviously not Microsoft's fault, but it means that I'm staring for hours at something beautiful (macOS version) vs something that makes my skin crawl (Windows version).
Adobe CC. Oh, where do I start? Maybe at that spot where some of them scaled correctly, but some didn't? Speaking of scaling, the default Windows installer just doubles pixel size on the 4K screen, like old iPhone apps opened on an iPad. How is it that macOS can detect a resolution that no Mac has ever used and scale things correctly, but Windows doesn't quite understand what 4K is?
I think I spent a month trying to get used to Windows. Somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked "how much time do people really spend looking at the OS?" When I was fighting Windows, the answer was "way too much – I was actually going to do something else, but now I've got a page bookmarked so I know which registry key to change, then reboot so that when I switch to Photoshop the whole screen doesn't look washed out for five seconds".
And of course the grand finale:
*is in a hurry, works until the very last moment*
DO NOT SWITCH OFF THE COMPUTER WHILE WINDOWS IS UPDATING. 1%
I ended up Hackintoshing a laptop simply because I needed a computer I could use for work, not work to use it. How ironic is it that on a Lenovo laptop macOS is way more stable and easier to update than Windows, that since I Hackintoshed it I never need to bother with system issues, whilst in Windows I spent half the time doing it?
Intel's Can't Remember The Exact Name Super Useful Video Technology 4000 Plus that changed the gamma curve to fit the current app... then took a few seconds to blend back when I switched to another app. The only way to disable that was via editing the registry. Every single Windows update would break that and force me to do it again.
The thermal management on my Yoga C930 is largely, but not completely, hardware. Windows makes this laptop heat up noticeably more than macOS. How is that even possible?
Scrivener, my most used application, now exists as a Windows version. The problem is that in comparison it's really ugly. This is not obviously not Microsoft's fault, but it means that I'm staring for hours at something beautiful (macOS version) vs something that makes my skin crawl (Windows version).
Adobe CC. Oh, where do I start? Maybe at that spot where some of them scaled correctly, but some didn't? Speaking of scaling, the default Windows installer just doubles pixel size on the 4K screen, like old iPhone apps opened on an iPad. How is it that macOS can detect a resolution that no Mac has ever used and scale things correctly, but Windows doesn't quite understand what 4K is?
I think I spent a month trying to get used to Windows. Somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked "how much time do people really spend looking at the OS?" When I was fighting Windows, the answer was "way too much – I was actually going to do something else, but now I've got a page bookmarked so I know which registry key to change, then reboot so that when I switch to Photoshop the whole screen doesn't look washed out for five seconds".
And of course the grand finale:
*is in a hurry, works until the very last moment*
DO NOT SWITCH OFF THE COMPUTER WHILE WINDOWS IS UPDATING. 1%
I ended up Hackintoshing a laptop simply because I needed a computer I could use for work, not work to use it. How ironic is it that on a Lenovo laptop macOS is way more stable and easier to update than Windows, that since I Hackintoshed it I never need to bother with system issues, whilst in Windows I spent half the time doing it?
I am waiting for that 16", because I want to find out what they do with the keyboard before hopefully buying a 14" in 2020. That's all. And I believe that Windows 10 is a very elaborate virus produced by Apple to make people switch to Macs
This is the impression I had of hackintoshes, but I was told elsewhere that they're pretty stable. I'm sure it probably depends on what you do with it.
That said, I wouldn't install OSX on non-Apple machines.
I’ve never been able to get a hackintosh working. Ok once back in the Mavericks days but as of lately no success.
Probably a dozen different things. Desktops, laptops, could never get past panics on boot so I gave up. I’ll try again someday.
Was that hardware listed as compatible on various hackintosh hardware lists?