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Yeah, the blooming problem didn’t go away, it’s just that the threads always devolve into gaslighting. Yes, blooming happens. Yes, you might be lucky to the point where it doesn’t happen to bother you. No, it didn’t actually go away, it’s still there. No, OLEDs don’t have the same problem, they are individually lit pixels. Other problems, yes, but as long as the manufacturer didn’t screw up the final layer or glass coating with something too diffuse, there’s no blooming. I can take a pic of my 2011 Panasonic plasma, bottom of the line, and guess what? No blooming. It’s inherent to LCD technology, anything with self-lit pixels shouldn’t have the problem, thus: Plasma, Micro-LED, and OLED don’t bloom.
 
You put your brand new 16" macbook pro in snow to take pictures?! You're likely gonna have more of a problem than blooming in the near future.. ?
 
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Considering that there is blooming on your keyboard as well... I would look into cleaning the lens of your camera!
 
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Do you edit pictures with goggles? Do they have automatic dimming function?
You'll have to educate me instead of making fun of me. Please link me to a place that talks about why max brightness is bad? I'd rather learn something than go around in circles because so far you've just told me it's bad but not why it's bad. I'm sitting here at max brightness right now and don't have any issues.
 
If you are using your display at max brightness all the time, I would recommend seeing a doctor. A simple google search reveals how very bright computer screens can and will damage your eyes irreversibly.

You may be fine now, but you should seriously consider this as a health risk.
 
My opinion is that MiniLED just isn't ready for primetime. This isn't an Apple issue. Every miniLED display out there has people complaining about blooming.

MiniLED is as good as it's ever going to be. The only way to not have blooming is to have self-emissive pixels, which means either OLED or MicroLED. And it will be a while before MicroLED is available at these sizes, and even longer before its price is acceptable.

So, currently, you literally have two options: OLED or MiniLED, and OLED, as great as it is for a lot of content, has its downsides and for a MacBook Pro or iPad Pro, this is, quite likely, a better option.

You want to watch movies in the dark? Get an OLED TV.

With that said, it does seem like the MBP has less blooming than the iPad Pro - not sure what the reason is, but that's what it looks like to me. It's still there, of course.

Also, the brightness is insane. It's an amazing screen. More than ready for primetime - this is top of the line for the current technology.
 
If you are using your display at max brightness all the time, I would recommend seeing a doctor. A simple google search reveals how very bright computer screens can and will damage your eyes irreversibly.

You may be fine now, but you should seriously consider this as a health risk.

Sorry, but this is just not true. Most good screens peak at 400-500 nits, and these screens can achieve 1600 in small areas. Do you know how many nits does "the outside" have? Like, the pavement blasts at you with 10.000 nits on a sunny day, probably more.

The problem with screens is viewing things at short distances for long periods of time, it's not brightness. You should rest your eyes after each hour (that also applies to reading books), but you shouldn't avoid maximum brightness, it will not damage your eyesight, it's nowhere close to something that would.

Also, HDR rarely hits these peaks, and when it does, it's just in small areas. A MiniLED screen will probably have several times higher peak brightness, by your logic, it will make people blind ? No, you're intended to watch HDR content at maximum brightness, that's how it's graded.
 
I think it's funny that when I highlight an issue that millions of people using Apple's and other products out there complain about, I'm told

Millions of people complain about lots of things. And sometimes they are right, but sometimes they are wrong.

1. You're doing it wrong

No, your expectations are wrong.

2. Your camera sucks

No, almost every camera will over-expose screens in such a way.

3. You over exposed the image

You didn't, the camera did.

4. You need to educate yourself on display technology

You don't need to, but it would help you have more realistic expectations.

When the truth is, I've had 20 Macs and 10 different displays over the years and none of them have ever had this issue.

Of course they didn't, no previous Mac had HDR 1600nit screens with 0% blacks. Every technology comes with downsides. For example, OLED doesn't have bloom, but it can burn-in with static content like window borders and icons. Or, another example, your 20 Macs with 10 different displays couldn't display true blacks or proper HDR highlights.

I have seen on lower quality displays when a zone is huge and lights up some of the screen with some white light (like a cheap TV when you turn the volume up on a dark picture and the volume indicator on-screen brightens that entire side of the screen) but on my Macs and Displays over the years, blooming was not an issue.

Literally every screen that has local dimming zones instead of self-emissive pixels has this issue. Lower quality displays probably have worse blacks, so the issue is not as pronounced. As I said - every technology has some downsides.

I only just noticed it when I got my iPad and thought the iPad was broken then googled it and learned what blooming was. I think it's worse on the MacBook Pro.

The fix is not running apps in true-black mode. But for the record, the 27" iMac and 13" MacBook Pro this M1 MaxBook is replacing did not have this issue and I ran Reeder in exactly the same true black UI.

My gripe isn't with Apple or with MiniLEDs it's with the post on MacRumors where people said it's no longer a problem.

A problem is a relative term. Personally, I don't consider this blooming a problem, because I know what I'm getting in return.

I think it depends on your use case. Like I said, I'm going to adjust my usage where I don't run apps in true black. That solves the issue for me but, given it wasn't an issue on my previous MacOS machines, it means MiniLED is not ready for primetime

It's either that or gray blacks and no HDR. Take your pick. Personally, I would rather have true blacks and 1600nit highlights. Apple thinks so too, and I assume the majority of content creators and people who enjoy HDR and Dolby Vision.

MiniLED is as good as its going to get - it's *not* going to get better in this regard. Apple could change the dimming algorithms which would reduce blooming but crush detail.


or shouldn't have been rolled out because this is a regression for my use case (blooming on all black apps).

I'm not going to return the computer, I'm just going to adjust how I use it.

I know "you're holding it wrong" is a thing, but in this case, this is not a limitation of the design, this is a limitation of the available technology. And there is only one other technology that can offer this level of contrast and that is OLED. And that comes with its problems. I could only imagine your post when that thing started to burn in the menu bar on the screen :)

You'll have to educate me instead of making fun of me. Please link me to a place that talks about why max brightness is bad? I'd rather learn something than go around in circles because so far you've just told me it's bad but not why it's bad. I'm sitting here at max brightness right now and don't have any issues.

Max brightness is not bad, feel free to use it.
 
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Good job forum members for shutting up anyone who dares criticize any Apple tech by sarcastic put-downs and shifting goal posts.

I mean, honestly, it's a bad critique. There are a lot of things you can criticize Apple (or any company) for - but this is not one of them.

This is like criticizing Apple for making thicker laptop while expecting better thermal performance at the same time. It's not really a valid criticism. This is the limitation of our current display technologies.

If I wrote a post saying that the battery on these Mac are clearly not ready for primetime because I expected at least 48 hours of heavy work on battery power, and people commented that this is a silly expectation, would you defend me in the same way? Because this sounds like that.
 
@aevan, I appreciate the candor. I've learned some things but like Apple eliminating TouchID with no concern over people who were wearing face coverings or helmets before the pandemic, the screen blooming on professional displays is unforgivable. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I want TouchID back and a home button. I also want a physical keyboard on the iPhone because despite having an iPhone since 2007, I still cannot type as fast as I did on a Blackberry. Again, that's what I want and we're all entitled to call out things that annoy us just like people are allowed to reply to me that it's not that big of a deal.

My initial point in the 1st post was that MacRumors published an article full of people saying blooming is less of an issue on MacBook Pro 16" 2021 than the iPad Pro 2021 was. I purchased this computer for a lot of reasons, one of them was because I waited for reviews like that saying that the screen was improved. I feel mislead. It's okay, the computer has a lot of things going for it and, as I said a few times above, I will adjust the way I use this computer (no full black applications with white text) which fixes the issue.

This was going to be a 5 year computer but as soon as Apple releases a display tech that doesn't have this blooming, I'll be replacing this computer and selling it to people here who LOVE this display. More power to them.

Thanks everyone for the dialogue.

EDIT: If you see what I see and then go read this - https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/28/macbook-pro-display-blooming-reports/ it does feel misleading. That's why you always have to see for yourself. A fast car to some is a slow car to others. It's all about expectations. The fact that the XDR Pro Display suffers from blooming means clearly professionals don't mind it. I don't like it but I'll get in line. I'm always and forever an Apple Fanboy. But fanboys are allowed to complain from time to time.
 
Not an issue, a little blooming is natural, but it is a giant step in quality. It is even better than some OLED display. If you turn your brightness to max in a dark room you could notice it but this is not a real use cases just whining.
 
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@aevan, I appreciate the candor. I've learned some things but like Apple eliminating TouchID with no concern over people who were wearing face coverings or helmets before the pandemic, the screen blooming on professional displays is unforgivable. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I want TouchID back and a home button. I also want a physical keyboard on the iPhone because despite having an iPhone since 2007, I still cannot type as fast as I did on a Blackberry. Again, that's what I want and we're all entitled to call out things that annoy us just like people are allowed to reply to me that it's not that big of a deal.

My initial point in the 1st post was that MacRumors published an article full of people saying blooming is less of an issue on MacBook Pro 16" 2021 than the iPad Pro 2021 was.

It really does feel that way to me, though, it should be the same. I don't know why, but I notice blooming on my iPad more.

You're entitled to call out things you dislike, yeah, I agree.
 
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OLED definitely has blooming. A cursory google search can show you examples of it, like this one: https://www.avforums.com/threads/why-does-my-lg-cx-bloom.2321853/

That's interesting. thanks for sharing the link. It looks like consumers are just asking a LOT of displays these days and we're also asking for lower power, variable refresh rate and thinner enclosures. It's gotta be hard to be in the display business right now..or very lucrative or both :)
 
Last post before I walk away because I'm afraid there will be name calling if I dig my heals in on this. Handheld photo with the camera next to me (5D Mark IV w/ 24-70 lens, manual at 3.5 aperture and 2000 ISO at different exposures)

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This is in day-time obviously I underexposed the 2nd one to be more natural to how it looks on my eyes but you can see the blooms around the text.

The iPhone 13 Pro OLED which I use at night in the dark in true black reading mode:
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You see some blooming top left hand corner but not as extreme. All displays photographed are at max brightness which is how I use my electronics.
I mean...

1) Use a dark gray but not pure black
2) turn down the damn brightness

"But I don't WAAANNNAA"

Fine, kid. That's your problem.
 
You'll have to educate me instead of making fun of me. Please link me to a place that talks about why max brightness is bad? I'd rather learn something than go around in circles because so far you've just told me it's bad but not why it's bad. I'm sitting here at max brightness right now and don't have any issues.
I am not doung fun, as i wrote i would like to understand more the reasons as it is odd. The calibration of the monitor has it purpose to match print quality etc…if you edit at max brightnes for example, there is a good chance that your client will see your picture underexposed as he is not having max brightness and the prints will be way too dark as well. For example, try to print in photo lab your snow pictures and compare…the standard practise is to have monitor claibrated somewhere around 100cd…and edit in steady not chnaging conditions..even the build in calibration tool in osx may help to set better brightness
 
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Honestly, a lot of people just don’t understand how display technology works which is okay but the more people get schooled the better.

MiniLED still uses an LCD panel and there’s only so much it can do to block out unwanted light so the more LEDs added the harder it has to work. Non-miniLED screens have this as well but because there are less LEDs it’s easier to hide or it affects such a large area it will be harder to notice specific areas. TV’s using this tech such as Samsung QLEDs have blooming issues as well and those are much better quality than Apple’s displays. Apple didn’t do themselves any favors adding more light in the form of miniLED while still using poor quality panels.

Again, all display tech (e.g. oled, miniled) has its downsides regardless which is why people claim to want microLED supposedly mixing the benefits of OLED/miniLED without the negative aspects but it will be expensive so I’m sure folks will complain.

While Apple may have some of the better displays on the market from a color accuracy standpoint, which isn’t saying much, Apple still has terrible response times on their panels which often negates ProMotion tech. From a tech standpoint Apples best displays are on the iPhone 13 Pro currently with OLED (fast response, color accurate) and ProMotion (variable refresh rate). For all intensive purposes their iPhone display is better than their $10K XDR display or whatever it’s called.
I agree wholeheartedly on the 13 Pro display. It is superb. From the blacks, to the colors, to ProMOTION. I remember when I first got my M1 12.9 iPad Pro, I was taken back by how bad the blooming was initially, but as I’ve used the device, it’s a non-issue using during the day, and I rarely notice it watching movies on it at night. I still think it is a much better display than the LCD on my previous 2018 12.9 iPad Pro.
 
All displays photographed are at max brightness which is how I use my electronics.

Sounds like you're basically stress testing the contrast the display is capable of putting out, using this in a way that specifically highlights blooming. It's not magic. If you blast the mini-LEDs at 100% and expect the adjacent area to have a sudden drop off to true black... well, that's more than the display tech is capable of right now.
 
Yeah, the blooming problem didn’t go away, it’s just that the threads always devolve into gaslighting. Yes, blooming happens. Yes, you might be lucky to the point where it doesn’t happen to bother you. No, it didn’t actually go away, it’s still there. No, OLEDs don’t have the same problem, they are individually lit pixels. Other problems, yes, but as long as the manufacturer didn’t screw up the final layer or glass coating with something too diffuse, there’s no blooming. I can take a pic of my 2011 Panasonic plasma, bottom of the line, and guess what? No blooming. It’s inherent to LCD technology, anything with self-lit pixels shouldn’t have the problem, thus: Plasma, Micro-LED, and OLED don’t bloom.

There's literally hundreds of reviews and videos showing bloom on OLED too. There's no such thing as 'no bloom' at consumer price levels. So we say 'low blooming' not 'no bloom'.
 
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yes it does have blooming still,and while its better it is still well present and far from perfect.
still,it gets much brighter than any oled or ips laptop for hdr content ,and does have burn in,hopefully
ig its the best display on a laptop ever imho\
bear in mind the responses times being horrendous are what destroy this display for me ,everything looks blurry nay OILY
 
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