16" MBP 2021 - I thought Blooming was no longer an issue?

[aevan]

TV’s using this tech such as Samsung QLEDs have blooming issues as well and those are much better quality than Apple’s displays. Apple didn’t do themselves any favors adding more light in the form of miniLED while still using poor quality panels.

Samsung QLEDs have more blooming because they have less zones - it has nothing to do with panels themselves, rather with the number of LEDs. They counter this with aggressive algorithms that crush small detail - which is not what you want. Most of things Samsung does with the screens across their devices is to make them "seem" nicer, at the cost of accuracy.

Also I don't think their screens are better at all, let alone "much". The panels on these MacBooks are not "poor quality" in this regard, in fact, they have much more dimming zones than any TV (not counting self-emissive displays). And they have much more accurate colors than Samsung's oversaturated QLEDS with overexposed EOTF curves.

These MacBook screens are only poor quality in the MacRumors alternate dimension.

While Apple may have some of the better displays on the market from a color accuracy standpoint, which isn’t saying much, Apple still has terrible response times on their panels which often negates ProMotion tech.

Color accuracy and contrast are much more important on a pro computer than response times. These are not gaming panels. Also, the response times do not negate ProMotion.

 

[jshcy]

I see no blooming on my display. The picture posted by the OP does not seem anything close to what I see on my MBP.

 

[aevan]

I see no blooming on my display. The picture posted by the OP does not seem anything close to what I see on my MBP.

Cameras tend to really overexpose these things. It's not even close to that in real life, and you can notice blooming only with HDR content, when a bright light source is next to a really dark one.

This is really not a big issue, tbh.

 

[arobert3434]

I'm sorry to quote you because I know you didn't want to discuss it further but if all MiniLED displays have this issue then why is the industry moving toward them? ...

I have no idea, except they feel like they need to offer something new in display technology and this is the only practical alternative at this point. At least on my TV I'm able to disable the local-dimming setting. Of course Apple will never provide this option in macOS, it would be admitting a mistake. We'll just have to wait five years for them to finally give in and replace the technology, as with butterfly keyboards.

 

[MayaUser]

I see no blooming on my display. The picture posted by the OP does not seem anything close to what I see on my MBP.

because its shot with a smartphone camera and not a professional one. With a trash camera i can see a trash display no matter what it is, oled, lcd , miniled, even micro-led
You dont see that effect on real life

 

[adamjackson]

I am not doung fun, as i wrote i would like to understand more the reasons as it is odd. The calibration of the monitor has it purpose to match print quality etc…if you edit at max brightnes for example, there is a good chance that your client will see your picture underexposed as he is not having max brightness and the prints will be way too dark as well. For example, try to print in photo lab your snow pictures and compare…the standard practise is to have monitor claibrated somewhere around 100cd…and edit in steady not chnaging conditions..even the build in calibration tool in osx may help to set better brightness

but I'm not printing photos, nor do I have clients. Sounds like I'm good then?

 

[theotherphil]

Or you can get an OLED laptop.

This is a pic of my iPhone 13 Pro Max with OLED (unedited but brightness was set at 100%)....The way the camera, and your eyes work, you will see blooming with high brightness when you have white on black. I see it on my pretty expensive LG OLED TV.

Here's the thing though....don't run 100% brightness in the dark

 

[aevan]

This is a pic of my iPhone 13 Pro Max with OLED (unedited but brightness was set at 100%)....The way the camera, and your eyes work, you will see blooming with high brightness when you have white on black. I see it on my pretty expensive LG OLED TV.

It’s different - this blooming effect is the result of how our eyes work (something bright glowing in the dark, of course it’s going to emit light around). However, Mini LED blooming is different (when present), it’s like seeing a gray blotch behind the glowing pixels.

With that said, take a picture of any true-black screen in the dark and it will capture some strong blooming, that will look much worse on the photo than in real life.

 

[bobcomer]

This is a pic of my iPhone 13 Pro Max with OLED (unedited but brightness was set at 100%)....The way the camera, and your eyes work, you will see blooming with high brightness when you have white on black. I see it on my pretty expensive LG OLED TV.

Here's the thing though....don't run 100% brightness in the dark

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If it were a miniLED it would be a LOT worse than that!

I really don't see it in real time on my iPhone, nor do I see it on OLED TV's.

 

[theotherphil]

If it were a miniLED it would be a LOT worse than that!

I really don't see it in real time on my iPhone, nor do I see it on OLED TV's.

That’s the point, it actually isn’t “a lot worse” when you run them at a normal brightness. I see exactly the same “blooming” on my OLED iPhone 13 Pro as I do on my MiniLED iPad Pro and 14” MBP.…it’s minimal because I run it at normal brightness for the surroundings, not maxed out in low light.

 

[theotherphil]

It’s different - this blooming effect is the result of how our eyes work (something bright glowing in the dark, of course it’s going to emit light around). However, Mini LED blooming is different (when present), it’s like seeing a gray blotch behind the glowing pixels.

With that said, take a picture of any true-black screen in the dark and it will capture some strong blooming, that will look much worse on the photo than in real life.

Thanks! Glad we agree then!

 

[bobcomer]

That’s the point, it actually isn’t “a lot worse”

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because that's not how I see it. It could well be that my eyesight isn't as good as yours, but I do see blooming on LED's..

I'm wondering if AMOLED makes a difference.

I really don't see blooming on an OLED TV. Conceptionally I can see how it would show some, but I just don't see how you can compare it to what a miniLED (or any LED) shows. I'm sitting here looking at my iphone (a 13 Mini) mail app, black background, white text, display brightness over 90%, and I see no blooming at all.

 

[theotherphil]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because that's not how I see it. It could well be that my eyesight isn't as good as yours, but I do see blooming on LED's..

I'm wondering if AMOLED makes a difference.

I really don't see blooming on an OLED TV. Conceptionally I can see how it would show some, but I just don't see how you can compare it to what a miniLED (or any LED) shows. I'm sitting here looking at my iphone (a 13 Mini) mail app, black background, white text, display brightness over 90%, and I see no blooming at all.

I do get what you’re saying. My iP 13 Pro Max shows no blooming for me at normal brightness for the surroundings. Same as my MiniLED iPP and 14” MBB. When I do see blooming is when I am in a dark room, viewing white on black and the brightness is cranked to the max….on all three of those devices and my LG OLED TV.

The way our eyes work, and even more so a camera, you can’t get away from this phenomena. Cameras in particular make it look a lot worse, as can be seen from my picture of the iPhone 13 PM above. The blooming in that picture is way worse than what my eyes experience and that was the point of my post. The original poster has his brightness settings cranked in a dark room and then is using a camera which is making things look a lot worse than your eyes would experience….as can be seen on his backlit keyboard which also has a blooming issue.

 

[fastson]

I notice a very slight hint of blooming on my 14" but it does not bother me at all. At first I thought it might be my dirty eyeglasses.

The display is beautiful. The best one I own. Very impressive.