I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, but they don't actually have much to do with these girls. Sometimes the world is a cruel place. Your rant just made it a crueler one.
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I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, but they don't actually have much to do with these girls. Sometimes the world is a cruel place. Your rant just made it a crueler one.
Babies with babies...*shrug*
If they wanted to become mothers, that's their choice. Sure its naive and unwise, but don't see why all the hate...Is there some unwritten rule about how old you need to be to become a parent? Heck, we let 16 year olds do many adult types of activities such as drive cars that can easily kill and work in real jobs - apparently, we don't want them to become parents?
My mother was pregnant at 16 and she did quite well for us...
If they wanted to become mothers, that's their choice. Sure its naive and unwise, but don't see why all the hate...Is there some unwritten rule about how old you need to be to become a parent? Heck, we let 16 year olds do many adult types of activities such as drive cars that can easily kill and work in real jobs - apparently, we don't want them to become parents?
My mother was pregnant at 16 and she did quite well for us...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u5tmnBeNv18
"Actually, Bret, when I think about your children, and your children's children, I actually think that your children are too young to be having children. And as far as your children's children's children, I think, you know, where does it stop? When the children are having children, you know, it's just, how small are they gonna get?"
"Too small."
"Too small, exactly."
"That's one of the issues, and, uh..."
"It's just going to get into this ridiculous Russian doll situation."
Just thought I might introduce a little levity...
I find that in life, most people just manage to get along OK.
"Actually, Bret, when I think about your children, and your children's children, I actually think that your children are too young to be having children. And as far as your children's children's children, I think, you know, where does it stop? When the children are having children, you know, it's just, how small are they gonna get?"
"Too small."
"Too small, exactly."
"That's one of the issues, and, uh..."
"It's just going to get into this ridiculous Russian doll situation."
Just thought I might introduce a little levity...
I find that in life, most people just manage to get along OK.
Too funny, a pregnancy problem at the high school and the city govt. is protesting the school standing in for the women's health clinic and handing out birth control pills to stem the tide.
I guess they are people who want grandchildren before the kids graduate high school.
I don't think it would have mattered in this case, as the litter of pregnancies was not unintentional. Birth control pills wouldn't have helped. Chastity belts might have.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u5tmnBeNv18
"Actually, Bret, when I think about your children, and your children's children, I actually think that your children are too young to be having children. And as far as your children's children's children, I think, you know, where does it stop? When the children are having children, you know, it's just, how small are they gonna get?"
"Too small."
"Too small, exactly."
"That's one of the issues, and, uh..."
"It's just going to get into this ridiculous Russian doll situation."
Just thought I might introduce a little levity...
Heh heh.
At least they're not like Tribbles....who are born already pregnant.
Back on this topic....the pregnancies were intentional. The girls wanted kids. They're having the kids. And the ones who have already had them seem happy about it and perfectly responsible about it (at least the ones that were interviewed).
If you're biologically able to have children, want to have children and are responsible enough to care for them....I don't see any problems doing so at any age.
Yes, the world is a cruel place, but the one thing that this does have to do with these girls is the use of good common sense. We've (SO and I) knew when to wait until we were ready to try to have kids. that takes good strong sense; something these girls do not have nor were taught to have by their parents, from puberty to now.
None of these girls have anything to support these babies they're trying to have, whether emotional, financial, physical, or otherwise.
None of these girls have the wherewithal to deal with babies on a daily basis for the next 18 years. Do you honestly think that they are ready to have kids if they make a pact like they're in a little girl's club, and bonk the next guy they see? The bulk of them aren't even 16, and I sure as hell don't want them to have kids if it is going to be my dime being spent having to help them take care of them. Michael Jackson said it best in '82:
The thing that irks me the most (and I'm being polite here as I assume this entire forum is rated G), and if you're a father, you will clearly understand this, is that there are happily married couples out there who spend YEARS trying to conceive. And some, when they do, lose their baby during pregnancy. Some couples prepare everything to bring their baby home, and are crushed when they find that their baby was born stillborn, or asphyxiated from having their umbilical cord wrapped around them. Some couples find out that they have fertility issues, leading them to think they'll never have a baby (yes, adopting does help, but there is a difference between adoption and conceiving). Yet these little bloody kids waste a gift that others would die to have, like it is a secret handshake to get into a club.
I stand by what I said; if they carry the babies to term, have them taken away and given to families who can and will take care of them, and have those girls' tubes tied and bloody well ripped out. If this is how they treat the concept of conception and childbirth, they don't deserve it.
BL.
I just truly feel sorry for the unborn kids. They are being born into a hard life, yet they can't do a thing about it. They will have to suffer the consequences of their parents' decisions throughout their lives. Sure, some may grow up to be decent people, but what is to stop the remainder of them from poverty and lack of decent family.....
well in a similar situation like you describe about trying to have a kid and losing it.
however our misfortune has nothing to do with these girls. they may have done something stupid (really stupid). however they don't deserve our hate. we should rather wish them the best of luck in their interest and in their children's interest. and in the end it is their life, their decision, their kids. in an intact society this shouldn't end in a desaster. who are we to judge and interfere.
and having somebody's tubes tied because you don't agree with their decision (or stupidity) is something we had in germany in 1937. we all know how that ended. sorry, i can't even imagine how you can wish for that.
the guy who committed statuatory rape of course should go away for a long time.....
I'm not homeless ( i own a property )but i am good looking
No, but the argument is that if you were good-looking, you'd never be homeless anyway, because good-looking people are subconsciously preferred for everything, even boring office work. Doesn't matter if the interviewer/employer is a heterosexual male.
But it's not our call, it's theirs. And actually, I really don't care if they have 10 apiece. Contrast and compare the US to, say, Iceland, where a baby, no matter who the daddy was or how it was conceived, is a joyous occasion. Not here. "You've destroyed your life!" is heard a lot. Or "Those kids don't have a chance!" Well, of COURSE they do, or WOULD, if our culture in the US was geared more toward helping a new life begin instead of trying to crush it under dumb-ass fake-Christian ethics.
So now, are we going to see ostrication or are we going to see the commuity coming together to welcome and help some new members?
I have my idea on that.
OH
Oh, so now they are insane because they didn't conform to your world-view? Insane? Really?
Maybe that's what they WANT in their personal lives... think of that? See, they're not thinking like you, where a baby becomes a method of self destruction. Maybe, just maybe, they are not selfish.
Such a sad story.
Baby's being born. Yes, so sad.
Hell, I'm not even Christian and I think it should be a little more positive than THAT.
Oh Jesus.
Dr. Phil, be quiet.
I like your avatar.
anyone think of this?
each child is going to be related to the other...
seeing it's the same father.
they live in a small town.
some problems are going to develop later in the lineage of the lines, and each line is going to be crossed sooner than it should be.
if you follow what I am saying?
sort of like the case of twins separated at birth (for adoption), where they fell in love later in life...
only to find out they were twins.
this is not good.
These girls seem foolish enough to not really realize that their children are going to be half- brothers/sisters, and perhaps will think it's cute that their children are dating each other in 15 years.
(shaking head) not good.
then again - perhaps it won't happen that way. Let us hope.
each child is going to be related to the other...
seeing it's the same father.
they live in a small town.
some problems are going to develop later in the lineage of the lines, and each line is going to be crossed sooner than it should be.
if you follow what I am saying?
sort of like the case of twins separated at birth (for adoption), where they fell in love later in life...
only to find out they were twins.
this is not good.
These girls seem foolish enough to not really realize that their children are going to be half- brothers/sisters, and perhaps will think it's cute that their children are dating each other in 15 years.
(shaking head) not good.
then again - perhaps it won't happen that way. Let us hope.
That is absolutely ridiculous of those girls to do. However sadly enough I can believe it. Last school year I attended two schools. One of those schools I attended was for one period a day so I wasn't their all the time, but this gives me a way to compare two of the High schools in my area. When I was at the main campus of my high school you could not walk down the hallway and not see at least 10-20 pregnant girls walking down the hallway. It simply astounded me. That was only during part of the day. Imagine how many I would have seen if was there all day! Then at the 9th only campus of the school, starting in the later months of the year loads of pregnant girls popped up all of a sudden. These girls are 14 and 15 years old for goodness sakes! In my opinion it really makes the school look trashy and like they don't care about proper sex education. I guess that is Texas for you.
I guess that is Texas for you.
I think you missed something there; they only have a line on one of the potential fathers. Unless I misread something, it didn't say he serviced all the girls involved.
True, but I'm forced to wonder how many of the girls will be charged if it turns out they got pregnant from an underage boy. My guess is zero.andiwm2003 said:
iirc, isn't there a 2 year - difference rule? IOW, if the parties in question were 16-18, 15-17, or 17-19 - that no charges will/can be filed?
Come on Les, you know the rules by now. Quintuple posting is frowned upon.
Mods don't even like my double posting.
Yes, very smart.
Mods don't even like my double posting.
Yes, very smart.
Assuming these kids will have impregnate each other.
its the girls choices to have a baby. they should not be forced to put them up for adoption and those that advocate for that are oversteeping their boundaries. do you want someone telling you what to do with your life as far as having kids?
i mean, 100-150 years ago this was not the most uncommon thing for girls to have kids at a young age
im willing to bet that although these kids will be born into a hard life, they will still be better off than the majority of kids in developing countries.
is it fair to the kids to be born into hardhip? no but guess what, life isnt fair. i know many people who cant afford to go to school and now work as rig hands and i also know many that have there mommy and daddy buy them everything. all the difference is is who their parents are
simply put, it is not our place to cast judgement but instead deal with the situation and try to solve the underlying cause
i mean, 100-150 years ago this was not the most uncommon thing for girls to have kids at a young age
im willing to bet that although these kids will be born into a hard life, they will still be better off than the majority of kids in developing countries.
is it fair to the kids to be born into hardhip? no but guess what, life isnt fair. i know many people who cant afford to go to school and now work as rig hands and i also know many that have there mommy and daddy buy them everything. all the difference is is who their parents are
simply put, it is not our place to cast judgement but instead deal with the situation and try to solve the underlying cause
Yeah, I kind of agree with dukebound. And Les.
This may have been really stupid, but it's done, and I wish them the best. People shouldn't wish them bad luck, and shouldn't talk about their loss of social life, childhood, etc. That's their choice to make, it it was a conscious decision. Whether you think it's tragic or not isn't important. If they can give their child what it needs, then Ok. If they can't, and we find out that they're horrible parents, then I'll start to judge them.
This may have been really stupid, but it's done, and I wish them the best. People shouldn't wish them bad luck, and shouldn't talk about their loss of social life, childhood, etc. That's their choice to make, it it was a conscious decision. Whether you think it's tragic or not isn't important. If they can give their child what it needs, then Ok. If they can't, and we find out that they're horrible parents, then I'll start to judge them.
What about good looking and as thick as pig sh*t i think it's just a subject that has no ending
see ?
Whoa back up there Les! See how I was quoting abstract? I was referring to his post about the homeless guy where he stated that being good looking helps you get up in society. I was merely adding that mental illness is a common reason for people to end up on the street in most societies, due to a lack of mental health care and being good looking is no protection from that. I was by no means making a judgement on these girls. I can see how my post was ambiguous though.
Well obviously there are exceptions like mental illness, but generally, you can be more incompetent and still get a job that an uglier person wouldn't be able to get, assuming the ugly guy is equally incompetent. It's a lot more difficult for good looking people to not get by in life. This is particularly true for girls. There are enough shallow guys in our society to guarantee that each beautiful girl can be catered for.