17 Girls get pregnant in group pact

[Neil321]

pwned. it's their own fault if their lives go down-hill

Sorry mate but are you for real ?,what about people who loose there job for no fault of there own break up with the Mr or Missus,get the house repode and have no one to help them out

Well obviously there are exceptions like mental illness, but generally, you can be more incompetent and still get a job that an uglier person wouldn't be able to get, assuming the ugly guy is equally incompetent. It's a lot more difficult for good looking people to not get by in life. This is particularly true for girls. There are enough shallow guys in our society to guarantee that each beautiful girl can be catered for.

Like i said i kinda agree but i totally agree about the girl's as unfortunately I'm one of those shallow guys,i was left to make a decision between three lady's for a admin/secretary for me and three others,two were butt ugly one wasn't guess which one i recommended for the job??,but hey she's something you could stare at all day long & it helps break the day up ( oh and before someone rants off on one about this comment they all had the same qualifications ) & no were not being taken to court for ugly discrimination

 

[.Andy]

Well obviously there are exceptions like mental illness, but generally, you can be more incompetent and still get a job that an uglier person wouldn't be able to get, assuming the ugly guy is equally incompetent.

I completely agree with you here Abstract. I meant the mental illness thing as an addition to your post. In fact I helped out on a research study (which wasn't published unfortunately as it wasn't novel enough ) which showed this exact same thing. As part of the study we presented subjects with two CVs with attached photos for a secretarial job. One was a large woman who wasn't particularly attractive but had a sterling CV. The other was a blonde fox who had a very basic CV. IIRC ~70% of the people ended up choosing the good-looking CV. They rationalised it by saying that they thought the unattractive applicant was over-qualified, or wouldn't be happy in the position and move on quickly etc. Or as per Neil^^^^ !

It's a lot more difficult for good looking people to not get by in life.

Chin up Abstract. You're not that bad looking .

 

[CorvusCamenarum]

iirc, isn't there a 2 year - difference rule? IOW, if the parties in question were 16-18, 15-17, or 17-19 - that no charges will/can be filed?

Apparently not in Massachusetts.

 

[Blue Velvet]

So. This what happens when you cut sexual education budgets, relying on abstinence programs instead.

In May the medical director and nurse at the school clinic resigned in protest at the refusal of the local hospital that controls their funds to allow them to distribute contraceptives to pupils without parental consent.

In the absence of provision by the clinic, students must travel 20 miles to the nearest women's health clinic.

The state of Massachusetts has also been cutting back on sex education in schools as part of its budgetary belt-tightening. A local provider of reproductive health education has slashed its outreach staff from eight to one full-time worker.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/usa

 

[Abstract]

I never thought a school would be stupid enough to make budget cuts to sexual education.

Drama club? Sure, OK. Make cuts to that department. It's not ideal, but we'll definitely be OK.

Physical education? It's not great, but again, we'll scrape by. Eventually, these kids will stop taking P.E. and have to learn to become self-motivated anyway. The system has worked well if they have made students very aware of the benefits of keeping fit and staying healthy.

Sexual education shouldn't be tampered with, really. There are enough teenagers who are confused even after sex ed. By making it worse, situations like this (regarding the 17 year old girls) may get worse and more frequent.

Chin up Abstract. You're not that bad looking .

So you've been drinking?


At least I'm...like.....good with words and stuff. That gets me thru life real good.

 

[Shakenntstirred]

I only hope that these girls mothers don't try to bail them out of the mess they have gotten themselves into. I hope they make them go through with this and do everything in taking care of these babies. Make them get up for feedings every two hours, walk the floor with them when they don't stop crying, don't babysit just because they want to go on a date or a party or hang out. Make them pay for a babysitter if they need one, just like we adults have to do. Also, I think the boys, or in one case, men, that fathered these babies should be just as accountable as the girls. We all know it thats two...Even if they were told the girl was on birth control ,he should have thought....."If she is on birth control,that isn't always for sure, or... she must be having sex with others, and could have some disease" All kids are aware of rubbers!!!
This story is about as mind blowing as anything I have ever heard in a long time. It just goes to show how immature our kids of today are. It is scary to think they will be in charge of this country some day.

 

[teflon]

And I personaly would not say that Juno glamorised teen Preggy-ness, if anything I think it would do a good job of discouraging it until you're mature enough to take responsibility.

People just like to point fingers at the media to escape their own responsibilities.

Babies with babies...*shrug*

If they wanted to become mothers, that's their choice. Sure its naive and unwise, but don't see why all the hate...Is there some unwritten rule about how old you need to be to become a parent? Heck, we let 16 year olds do many adult types of activities such as drive cars that can easily kill and work in real jobs - apparently, we don't want them to become parents?

My mother was pregnant at 16 and she did quite well for us...

Exactly! Props to your mom. I can only imagine the hardships and the stares she had to endure because of people's intolerant nature.

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BL.

Yes, the world is a cruel place, but the one thing that this does have to do with these girls is the use of good common sense. We've (SO and I) knew when to wait until we were ready to try to have kids. that takes good strong sense; something these girls do not have nor were taught to have by their parents, from puberty to now.

None of these girls have anything to support these babies they're trying to have, whether emotional, financial, physical, or otherwise.

None of these girls have the wherewithal to deal with babies on a daily basis for the next 18 years. Do you honestly think that they are ready to have kids if they make a pact like they're in a little girl's club, and bonk the next guy they see? The bulk of them aren't even 16, and I sure as hell don't want them to have kids if it is going to be my dime being spent having to help them take care of them. Michael Jackson said it best in '82:

The thing that irks me the most (and I'm being polite here as I assume this entire forum is rated G), and if you're a father, you will clearly understand this, is that there are happily married couples out there who spend YEARS trying to conceive. And some, when they do, lose their baby during pregnancy. Some couples prepare everything to bring their baby home, and are crushed when they find that their baby was born stillborn, or asphyxiated from having their umbilical cord wrapped around them. Some couples find out that they have fertility issues, leading them to think they'll never have a baby (yes, adopting does help, but there is a difference between adoption and conceiving). Yet these little bloody kids waste a gift that others would die to have, like it is a secret handshake to get into a club.

I stand by what I said; if they carry the babies to term, have them taken away and given to families who can and will take care of them, and have those girls' tubes tied and bloody well ripped out. If this is how they treat the concept of conception and childbirth, they don't deserve it.

BL.

What happened to you and your SO was unfortunate, and I'm truly sorry for your lost. I know someone who lost her baby at 8 months, and it really crushed her and everyone who knew her as we were all so excited for her and guessing the sex and suggesting names. However, it is not up to you to decide who deserves a baby or not, or who is capable of taking care of them. You say it's unfair that there are people who try so hard to get a baby but can't, then there are people who don't value the gift of fertility. How do you know that they don't value this gift? How do you know that they're taking this lightly? How do you know that they can't satisfy the emotional or physical needs of their babies, or even financially? And to suggest taking their babies away from them and tying their tubes forcefully is just downright inhumane. Don't take out your bitterness on others. As for your tax money, it goes to help many single mothers or other families who can't provide for their children anyway. As a society, we should do our best to ensure that everyone at least gets their basic needs. Even if the mothers don't deserve it, the kids do.

This story is about as mind blowing as anything I have ever heard in a long time. It just goes to show how immature our kids of today are. It is scary to think they will be in charge of this country some day.

I don't think a single story is an adequate representation of the youth today. 17 girls out of 600 is pregnant at the school, people just don't want to hear about the other 583.


I agree with Les Kerns, it is their decision and we have no right to judge people that we don't know. The journalist who wrote this article seems to have a distaste for teen mothers, and only limited information is revealed. There is no evidence to support that they're going to be uncaring, immature and irresponsible mothers. Also, sometimes having a child will change the mother and make them have a better life. Before having a child, those girls are lost, with no goals in life. After having a child, they have a reason to fight for a better future, they have a reason to be a better person, because they want their children to be proud of them, they want their children to have a good life. I wonder if there will be as many oppositions if the girls were 22. There are 17 year old girls who are more mature than 22 year old girls and more ready to have children. There are 17 year old girls who are ready to give up their social life and take care of their children, and there are 22 year old girls who just want to party all day and would probably kill themselves before they have to be stuck with a kid. Age isn't always an indication of maturity.

 

[elfin buddy]

Found this on Fark: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110ap_pregnancy_pact.html

Apparently the school's principal has no evidence to back up his claim of seventeen girls making a pregnancy pact.

 

[jeremy.king]

Apparently the school's principal has no evidence to back up his claim of seventeen girls making a pregnancy pact.

Nope...http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/23/eveningnews/main4201301.shtml

Instead, now the media blames the popular youth celebrity pregnancies??? Seriously?

 

[Antares]

You know, I also first read this as "17 Girls get pregnant in group act." I did a double take and then read it correctly.

 

[Don't panic]

....
So now, are we going to see ostrication or are we going to see the commuity coming together to welcome and help some new members?
I have my idea on that.

Hopefully not, ostriches can be downright vicious when unleashed on unwitting victims.

 

[Consultant]

Business idea.

Open a friggen PET SHOP in that town, call it "love of your life" or something these people will think they'll find love. Sell some really cute dogs and what nots. Problem solved (if these people can actually afford to buy a pet). I guess the slogan can be: Tell your parent, if I don't get a puppy I am having a kid with the homeless guy...

Obviously they have no idea how much work it is to take care even of a pet, nevermind a child, changing diaper, etc.

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By the way I wouldn't care if tax money won't go to feed those people, but reason many hate these people is that these people end up having more kids so they can get more welfare checks, because they have no time to go to work.

 

[Antares]

Business idea.

Open a friggen PET SHOP in that town, call it "love of your life" or something these people will think they'll find love. Sell some really cute dogs and what nots.

In all seriousness, that's actually a really good name for a pet shelter (not a pet shop). I really like it. It tugs at the heart and speaks to the bond between people and their pet.

Back on topic. Just beacuse they are young, does not mean they will not make good mothers. It also doesn't necessarily mean that their "lives are over."

 

[Shakenntstirred]

Yeah, I kind of agree with dukebound. And Les.

This may have been really stupid, but it's done, and I wish them the best. People shouldn't wish them bad luck, and shouldn't talk about their loss of social life, childhood, etc. That's their choice to make, it it was a conscious decision. Whether you think it's tragic or not isn't important. If they can give their child what it needs, then Ok. If they can't, and we find out that they're horrible parents, then I'll start to judge them.

I can not believe some of the stuff I am reading on here!!!! Who is writting this, 13-17 year olds?? By the time it is discovered that they are "horrible" parents it just might be too late, and an actual JUDGE will be judging them!!!! The child might be injured or worse DEAD by that time. Do you actually read the paper or listen to the news? It happens all the time!
And if by the grace of God it is caught before that happens, who will be taking care of the child then? US TAX PAYERS, THAT IS WHO! With the cost of everything going sky high I for one can't afford to raise someone elses child just because some young child themself thought she wanted to be COOL and have a baby!
These kids that is on the new show "Baby Borrowers" are a real trip. Just goes to show how they really think. They don't have a clue!

 

[ErikCLDR]

Wow. What a stupid decision.

I don't care about the girls, I care about the 17 babies that are going to have a messed up childhood.

Not that teenage mothers can't adequately raise a child, but it usually ends up the mother raising the child while the teenage mother works or goes to school to try to support the child.

We had two teen pregnancies this year at my school (700 students). In one case, this boy and girl went to catholic school together, conceived a child, and got kicked out, the father does support his girlfriend although they don't go out anymore. The other case is a boy that cheated on his real girlfriend and knocked up his one night stand. Now the girl is pregnant, she's not going to college, and she works constantly at dunkin donuts to get money to support the child. The boy however wants nothing to do with the child. It's really quite unfortunate.

I believe in an ideal world every child should be born to a loving mother and father that have the means and ability to support them. It's not the job of the grandparents to fully raise the child.

At the same time though, I see many irresponsible adults having children, like my uncle. He knocks up some girl, they get married, the baby is born, they're together for a year, then they divorce and he loses everything except his company owned BMW. Or just watch Jerry Springer.

 

[Abstract]

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I can not believe some of the stuff I am reading on here!!!! Who is writting this, 13-17 year olds?? By the time it is discovered that they are "horrible" parents it just might be too late, and an actual JUDGE will be judging them!!!! The child might be injured or worse DEAD by that time. Do you actually read the paper or listen to the news? It happens all the time!
And if by the grace of God it is caught before that happens, who will be taking care of the child then? US TAX PAYERS, THAT IS WHO! With the cost of everything going sky high I for one can't afford to raise someone elses child just because some young child themself thought she wanted to be COOL and have a baby!
These kids that is on the new show "Baby Borrowers" are a real trip. Just goes to show how they really think. They don't have a clue!

Did you read what I wrote?

I said it was really stupid, but since this has already happened (it's the news after all, not the psychic hotline), why wish them any sort of bad luck, or curse them in any way? Their children are of greatest concern for me. Anyone who said, "What about the loss of their own childhood, social life? What about the responsibility?", has assumed these girls didn't know this. They probably knew what they were giving up. However, they probably didn't know how valuable it was. Whatever. Again, this was their decision, and you don't have to agree with it. I certainly don't. They'll miss out on a lot, and will regret it in a few years. It's not our problem though, and as long as it doesn't end up hurting their kids, then they can quietly regret giving up their dreams for as long as they wish.

People shouldn't just hope the girls burn in hell, or hope they don't mess up too badly. It doesn't help. Remember, they're already pregnant. The best thing to hope for is that they become caring, responsible parents. The parents having a good education and a nice house doesn't guarantee a stable or caring childhood either. No factors related to income, support, education, or their own upbringing will ever guarantee that their kids are brought up well. There's just too many factors that will decide that, although having 2 parents is a start. I'm more concerned about the kids having 2 stable parents than their loss of their youth, or their potentially low income. My mum didn't go to university, and my dad was.......bad, and yet I'm not a total mess. I'm happy, have a good education, and have a positive outlook.

 

[teflon]

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I can not believe some of the stuff I am reading on here!!!! Who is writting this, 13-17 year olds?? By the time it is discovered that they are "horrible" parents it just might be too late, and an actual JUDGE will be judging them!!!! The child might be injured or worse DEAD by that time. Do you actually read the paper or listen to the news? It happens all the time!
And if by the grace of God it is caught before that happens, who will be taking care of the child then? US TAX PAYERS, THAT IS WHO! With the cost of everything going sky high I for one can't afford to raise someone elses child just because some young child themself thought she wanted to be COOL and have a baby!
These kids that is on the new show "Baby Borrowers" are a real trip. Just goes to show how they really think. They don't have a clue!

There are plenty of horrible adult parents. I have heard more about adult parents who abused their children, caused them injuries due to negligence or even killed them. Think about all the parents on the news in the past few years that have killed their children. Think about the man that locked up his daughter for over 20 years. They were all adults! Bottom line is, you don't know these girls, so don't judge them.
Also, it's too late to forsake them. If their children do end up in the system, no amount of complaining is going to stop part of your tax money from going to them.
Lastly, I think people ought to be a little more understanding and even sympathetic. What drove them to the point that they are willing to give up their social life, endure the stares and curses of thousands, just to have something that they have plenty of time for later? No 17 year old just wake up one day and decide to have a baby. Isolation, loneliness, misunderstanding, all the bottled up emotion could have led them to this decision. And if a young member of the society went through a lot and made a few bad choices, I think the society should be a little more understanding and forgiving. I have no problem that some of the taxes that I pay will go to a child in need. Plus, it's not like you have to pay less tax if there are no teenage mothers, so what difference does it make to you where your tax money end up going? If the government thinks that it is a worthy cause, who are you to say that it isn't?