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lol Exactly.
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17" MacBook Pro Disassembly, RAM, HD and Battery Access
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lol Exactly.
huh.
its a clunkier 15" with more battery power.
they could make it the same power and more easy replaceable.
but it wouldnt be unibody then..
im very glad i never even thought of 17"...
i was expecting quadcore.
i mean, its nice thats its not too clunky but 2mm fatter with quadcore i bet nobody would mind.
besides, battery can take quadcore now. (almost 13000mAh )
its a clunkier 15" with more battery power.
they could make it the same power and more easy replaceable.
but it wouldnt be unibody then..
im very glad i never even thought of 17"...
i was expecting quadcore.
i mean, its nice thats its not too clunky but 2mm fatter with quadcore i bet nobody would mind.
besides, battery can take quadcore now. (almost 13000mAh
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iFixit are awesome. IMO their disassembly pictures are guides are the best on the net. Always so interesting to have a sticky beak at innards. Used the guides many times over to replace ram, batteries, hard drives in my powerbooks.
Disclaimer as I'm sounding like an advert: I have no connection or financial interest in their website. Just a fan.
Disclaimer as I'm sounding like an advert: I have no connection or financial interest in their website. Just a fan.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what is the point of a replaceable battery if the MBP would be used as a desktop replacement? Last time I checked, most desks usually have a power-receptacle somewhere underneath it located on the wall and approximately 12" from the floor. In that case, most users would never unplug it to use the battery anyways.
People requiring replaceable batteries represent a small minority of the user-base. It sucks but that is the truth. I'll take a longer-lasting fixed battery in a more sturdy unibody design any day. I have never had the need to purchase an additional battery for any of my laptops and all my colleagues as well are in the same position. By the time my battery finally dies, it's a few years down the road and I just pick up an up-to-date laptop. Besides, those that choose to purchase a replacement battery (not a spare) usually find that those batteries are no longer manufactured for whatever reason.
If more people knew what actually went into one of these machines they might be less moans about them being 'overpriced'.
That's one neat custom board.
That's one neat custom board.
They ARE overpriced. He showed us what goes into it. Again it mostly is a penalty for a fancy case... except we get to pay more to replace the battery now.
Justify the purchase to yourself anyway you want, just don't claim the whats inside justifies its price. Its laughable what they charge for it.
Oh dear, somebody forgot that I am a customer and if they had done so, I'd be owning one of the new MBP's by now. Hence, Apple makes money and shareholders are happy.
Also what I am suggesting isn't something out of the ordinary, compared to the other fancyful ideas I've seen on this forum. My god 2 versions of a top of the line laptop, what would the shareholders think! I don't think the shareholders would mind, they do after all offer 2 versions of the 15" MBP and 3 versions of the 13"MB.
Lets not forget Apple don't do any market research, so how do they know what people want, and with the 4 types of laptops they have now, do you think they are catering sufficiently enough to the market?
Nice try.
Help, I'm experiencing a classic case of MBPL (Macbook Pro Lust)! This looks like a very sweet machine. Too bad I don't need (and can't afford another one). 
This looks like a very sweet machine. Too bad I don't need (and can't afford another one). Paranoid much?
If you seriously think they made the changes to the 17" MBP without some solid numbers telling them that 95% (or whatever) of users of that model don't ever swap out their battery and 92% (or whatever) don't need a battery exchange within the service life of their laptop you must be smoking crack.
While I totally agree, this is as likely of 100% happening as the cubs winning the world series.
Sadly, I also am a cubs fan!
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I agree, but the procedure for it looks fairly straight forward.
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I agree, but the procedure for it looks fairly straight forward.
Paranoid much?
If you seriously think they made the changes to the 17" MBP without some solid numbers telling them that 95% (or whatever) of users of that model don't ever swap out their battery and 92% (or whatever) don't need a battery exchange within the service life of their laptop you must be smoking crack.
You pull figures out of thin air and I'll cite a source okay?
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortune/0803/gallery.jobsqna.fortune/3.html
All Apple have to do is correlate the number of laptops they sell to the number of batteries they sell off the shelf. So no, market research wouldn't be needed.
But I wasn't talking about batteries, my point was about whether Apple knew whether people wanted a thin 17" laptop or a beefier one with quad core options.
I'd have thought that the "or whatever" part might have made it clear I was making those numbers up.
re: the CNN article, as you say they could either look at sales or do user experience surveys (which they definitely do, I've filled one in) to find out what users want without doing traditional "market research". Either way, I'm sure they don't do a thing without at least some data to show it'll sell: evidence for that would be the typical "Apple releases product, loads of people moan about lack of features, Apple subsequently posts massive sales figures for product" cycle that happens every time they change something...
I have, at least for regular laptop PCs. TigerDirect used to carry one that was a thin mat that was just barely longer and wider than your average 15" laptop that connected to the laptop's AC Adapter port. I don't see why that wouldn't be possible with the MacBooks.
You have, I think, an inflated sense of your own value as a customer. You are just one customer among millions.
Apple, like most every company, conducts surveys and focus groups to find out what features are most in demand. They conduct these surveys, include demographic data like age, financial status, and do a cost-benefit calculation. Then they build to the majority.
Lots of people seem to believe that Apple's products are dreamed up by Steve Jobs, who then runs in and tells of his miraculous vision to Jon Ive, who then crafts exactly what the master has foretold. That's a nice story, but it's crap. You can't run a multibilliondollar company that way, and Apple doesn't. They do careful research into what buyers want, and then they stick to it.
I'm SOOOOOO relieved to hear the hard drive and RAM are still user accessible parts! That was the worst thing about this original announcement (although I'm confused why the battery isn't, given it doesn't look hard to do...)
Looks like it just uses normal phillips screws, so that's great!
Looks like it just uses normal phillips screws, so that's great!
What I don't get is, why does Apple claim the battery isn't user-replaceable when it so obviously is, and easily at that?
And on top of this, they made the battery harder to change by using an uncommon screw type to secure it.
They could have just made the battery user-replaceable and saved all this whining. Yeah, it wouldn't be easy to swap it out while on a flight, but I'm talking end of life replacement.
Why artificially make it hard to replace? Now Apple has to dedicate service time to changing batteries when they could be doing more productive work. They could probably sell the batteries off the shelf for the same amount they charge to replace them, maximizing profits.
And on top of this, they made the battery harder to change by using an uncommon screw type to secure it.
They could have just made the battery user-replaceable and saved all this whining. Yeah, it wouldn't be easy to swap it out while on a flight, but I'm talking end of life replacement.
Why artificially make it hard to replace? Now Apple has to dedicate service time to changing batteries when they could be doing more productive work. They could probably sell the batteries off the shelf for the same amount they charge to replace them, maximizing profits.
You have a knack for stating the obvious, I'm well aware of where I sit in the consumer food chain. I don't have an inflated sense of my own value, I simply would like another version of a top of the line Laptop to be offered by Apple.
Like what? As far as I know OS X can handle normal video formats just fine, except....
No Blu Ray support! I love love love TV and movies, so Blu Ray support is critical to me. I was so hoping that it was coming late last year in a point release, and the new Macbook/Pros would have drives, but they don't and it didn't
I'm 98% sure I'd have a Macbook Pro right now if they offered Blu Ray drives (with playback support of course!)
You can use an external drive and reboot to Windows of course, but that's kind of clunky
Like what? As far as I know OS X can handle normal video formats just fine, except....
No Blu Ray support! I love love love TV and movies, so Blu Ray support is critical to me. I was so hoping that it was coming late last year in a point release, and the new Macbook/Pros would have drives, but they don't and it didn't
I'm 98% sure I'd have a Macbook Pro right now if they offered Blu Ray drives (with playback support of course!)
You can use an external drive and reboot to Windows of course, but that's kind of clunky
The computer will play bluray video's fine, just rip your dvd's to disk, that's what I do.
Yeeeeah but it still doesn't have a drive, that's technically illegal in the US, and I'd be scared to buy that program that does it, since I'd probably be the one who gets charged (for just trying to watch my own Blu Rays I bought!)