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19inch iMacs?
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There already is a high end and low end consumer machine. You're talking about pushing the high-end consumer machine above the low-end pro machine. Nothing like confusing the hell out of people. Last time Apple muddied the waters of their product lines, they almost died. That's not to say that it was the sole cause by any means (can i say Amelio here without getting banned?
) but it certainly contributed. That's why Jobs went to the 4-square plan. Which still exists (mostly) today... Point is, if you need a 19" LCD display, get the powermac...pnw
Absolutely ridiculous. I said it last time this came up and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way they are going to put a 19" screen on the current iMac. Anyone with common sense who looks at an iMac, then looks at a 19" LCD screen, can put 2 and 2 together and realize that the thing will look awkward and probably be top-heavy.
If Apple does indeed do this, which is the biggest doubt in my mind since the iWalk, then I will be sorely disappointed with Apple's design team.
If Apple does indeed do this, which is the biggest doubt in my mind since the iWalk, then I will be sorely disappointed with Apple's design team.
I agree with both Hemingray and dhdave on this one.
It is more than possible to put a 19" monitor on the imac base. the difference from the 15" to the 17" is only 1.4" so another 1.4" should give you 19.
Apple's Cinema HD display is a 16:10 ratio. if you used those numbers as inches and then figured out the diagonal you would get 18.7 (that pretty much says 19" to me )
That really isn't much bigger than what is already there, so i would think it is really possible. Especially if they cut down on the outer trim of the display. My TiBook only has about a 1/4 of trim around the screen, cut down the trim on the 17" imac and it would barely be larger than the 15" . Do the same with a 19" and it would be about the size of the current 17"
That said...I think the 17" already looks a bit out of proportion. It would suprise me if Apple were to make one that was even more out of proportion, but Apple has suprised me in the past
neilt
It is more than possible to put a 19" monitor on the imac base. the difference from the 15" to the 17" is only 1.4" so another 1.4" should give you 19.
Apple's Cinema HD display is a 16:10 ratio. if you used those numbers as inches and then figured out the diagonal you would get 18.7 (that pretty much says 19" to me
)That really isn't much bigger than what is already there, so i would think it is really possible. Especially if they cut down on the outer trim of the display. My TiBook only has about a 1/4 of trim around the screen, cut down the trim on the 17" imac and it would barely be larger than the 15" . Do the same with a 19" and it would be about the size of the current 17"
That said...I think the 17" already looks a bit out of proportion. It would suprise me if Apple were to make one that was even more out of proportion, but Apple has suprised me in the past
neilt
Absolutely, I respect your point of view as well. If anyone could do it, Apple sure could.
But it just seems to defy logic to me why they would want to. 19" just seems to be stepping out of bounds for such a consumer computer, especially the way the current iMac is designed.Instead of bigger and bigger screens, they should be concentrating on other stuff, like, um, oh, a front USB/FW port?
Originally posted by Hemingray
Instead of bigger and bigger screens, they should be concentrating on other stuff, like, um, oh, a front USB/FW port?
I'm confused. I thought the USB was on the front and that the CD tray was on the back. I just wish they'd move the power cord around back with the CD tray
Originally posted by bretm
I'm confused. I thought the USB was on the front and that the CD tray was on the back. I just wish they'd move the power cord around back with the CD tray
I actually have the power button on the front with the cd tray to one side and the ports to the other side... Works great, just turn the iMac 90 degrees.
Just a couple things.
Firstly Hon Hai has apparently been awarded the contract for production. If this is the case Apple will have significantly cut costs based on the contract prices being charged. Quanta charges significantly more than Hon Hai.
Secondly if they use a 19" LCD it will likely be widescreen. This means lower costs compared to regular ratios.
Thirdly the LCD will likely a 5th generation LCD rather than the 4G currently used. A 17" 5G LCD should cost around the price of an old 15" LCD and the 19" should come in probably near current 17" prices. That alone means it wouldn't be hard to switch the monitors without incurring additional costs.
Finally I don't have a clue about the arm. If the current one couldn't support 19" though no doubt they just redesigned it or improved it. I'd be interested on what sort of fatigue testing they do on those arms though.
Firstly Hon Hai has apparently been awarded the contract for production. If this is the case Apple will have significantly cut costs based on the contract prices being charged. Quanta charges significantly more than Hon Hai.
Secondly if they use a 19" LCD it will likely be widescreen. This means lower costs compared to regular ratios.
Thirdly the LCD will likely a 5th generation LCD rather than the 4G currently used. A 17" 5G LCD should cost around the price of an old 15" LCD and the 19" should come in probably near current 17" prices. That alone means it wouldn't be hard to switch the monitors without incurring additional costs.
Finally I don't have a clue about the arm. If the current one couldn't support 19" though no doubt they just redesigned it or improved it. I'd be interested on what sort of fatigue testing they do on those arms though.
I've just come back from Paris where in the last few days the streets have been plastered with posters for MW on the 10th. Strangely, all the posters have a head-on shot of a _15 inch_ iMac with a blurb describing all the things you can do with it. I thought Apple would use the opportunity to show off the 17" - the 15" looks a little too familiar, now. But if Jobs does have a 19" surprise up his sleeve, maybe the ads make sense: the visual shock of the larger screen combined with the psycholgical vibe that says, "Wow, if you could do all that stuff on a 15-inch screen, imagine all the things you can do on a 19-inch!". Only likely if Apple has somehow got a great deal on larger displays.
I've read quite a few posts from people about both the possible 19" iMac and the 14" iBook. Many of you seem to think that bigger is somehow a mistake.
I have one question.
Have you seen the typical American lately? American's are becoming obese. Why? Because serving sizes are increasing. Studies have repeatedly shown that when a company increases the serving size of its product (15% more chips per bag or whatever), they sell more of the product. People want more and bigger servings. It's part of American culture now.
How does that translate to computers?
Gee, why do you all think the Mega-hurts myth is such a big deal? It isn't because Americans want a computer that works better, they want a faster/bigger machine (same reason why 17" monitors are standard instead of 15"), same reason why car manufacturers increase horsepower, same reason so many people buy aftermarket equipment for cars/boats/computers.
I guarantee you that there is a market that will pay extra for a computer with a 19" monitor just because it is bigger than the 19". Go to best buy or comp USA and watch regular people, especially older people, shop for laptop computers. They gravitate to the ones that appear to have bigger screens. I've seen many people walk right by a machine with better processors, memory, etc... without even reading the card just because it looks smaller.
Oh, and as for you people arguing about physics, haven't any of you seen the weights held up by cantelever bridges? If it falls over, it won't be made, therefore, if they choose to make a 19" iMac, I guarantee you it WON'T fall over.
I have one question.
Have you seen the typical American lately? American's are becoming obese. Why? Because serving sizes are increasing. Studies have repeatedly shown that when a company increases the serving size of its product (15% more chips per bag or whatever), they sell more of the product. People want more and bigger servings. It's part of American culture now.
How does that translate to computers?
Gee, why do you all think the Mega-hurts myth is such a big deal? It isn't because Americans want a computer that works better, they want a faster/bigger machine (same reason why 17" monitors are standard instead of 15"), same reason why car manufacturers increase horsepower, same reason so many people buy aftermarket equipment for cars/boats/computers.
I guarantee you that there is a market that will pay extra for a computer with a 19" monitor just because it is bigger than the 19". Go to best buy or comp USA and watch regular people, especially older people, shop for laptop computers. They gravitate to the ones that appear to have bigger screens. I've seen many people walk right by a machine with better processors, memory, etc... without even reading the card just because it looks smaller.
Oh, and as for you people arguing about physics, haven't any of you seen the weights held up by cantelever bridges? If it falls over, it won't be made, therefore, if they choose to make a 19" iMac, I guarantee you it WON'T fall over.
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I might take this rumor "seriously" if the Inquirer spelled iBook correctly.
What's an i-Book?
I might take this rumor "seriously" if the Inquirer spelled iBook correctly.
What's an i-Book?
this just does not make sense ...
I am in no way a physicist, but I do know that physics involves many more variables than weight.
Firstly, I actually went to the Apple Spec page to get REAL weight figures for the displays and the iMac in order to have some refernce to what ADDED weight, the iMac would have to support with a 19" display. Here are the spec's:
15" Studio Display: 11.5 lbs
17" Studio Display: 14.55 lbs
23" HD Display: 25 lbs
15" iMac : 21 lbs
Given that most of the material involved in a stand-alone display is not necessary for one attached to the iMac, there is significant weight savings. More importantly, a 19" display (if you use the above numbers as reference) equates to about 18 lbs. You are accurate in your 15 lbs estimate, assuming that there is 3-4 lbs saved from no feet, ports, or cabling.
More importantly, look at the comparative numbers: a stand-alone 19" display is perhaps 2-3 lbs heavier than the 17". I am confident that the iMac base can support an added 2-3 lbs.
Regardless, the physics of a cantilever is mostly at work in the iMac. You don't even consider it in your post. There is a good reason why Ives designed a 10" diameter base and not a 5" diameter base.
In conclusion, the question of where you learned physics is irrelevant. It is obvious you never even learned physics.
I am in no way a physicist, but I do know that physics involves many more variables than weight.
Firstly, I actually went to the Apple Spec page to get REAL weight figures for the displays and the iMac in order to have some refernce to what ADDED weight, the iMac would have to support with a 19" display. Here are the spec's:
15" Studio Display: 11.5 lbs
17" Studio Display: 14.55 lbs
23" HD Display: 25 lbs
15" iMac : 21 lbs
Given that most of the material involved in a stand-alone display is not necessary for one attached to the iMac, there is significant weight savings. More importantly, a 19" display (if you use the above numbers as reference) equates to about 18 lbs. You are accurate in your 15 lbs estimate, assuming that there is 3-4 lbs saved from no feet, ports, or cabling.
More importantly, look at the comparative numbers: a stand-alone 19" display is perhaps 2-3 lbs heavier than the 17". I am confident that the iMac base can support an added 2-3 lbs.
Regardless, the physics of a cantilever is mostly at work in the iMac. You don't even consider it in your post. There is a good reason why Ives designed a 10" diameter base and not a 5" diameter base.
In conclusion, the question of where you learned physics is irrelevant. It is obvious you never even learned physics.
Entirely Possible
I think it is entirely possible for Apple to make a 19" iMac. If they wanted to, they could simply reduce the size of the trim and increase the screen size. The overall size of the attached screen would therefore not change much. Worst case scenario would require a larger base to balance the computer. This wouldn't be so different from making a larger iBook case to accomodate the 14" screen. However, I don't think it will happen for economic reasons. I don't see 19" iMacs being very cheap if they come out anytime soon. If they do, I'll be the first in line to get a 17" iMac at a reduced price ;-).
I think it is entirely possible for Apple to make a 19" iMac. If they wanted to, they could simply reduce the size of the trim and increase the screen size. The overall size of the attached screen would therefore not change much. Worst case scenario would require a larger base to balance the computer. This wouldn't be so different from making a larger iBook case to accomodate the 14" screen. However, I don't think it will happen for economic reasons. I don't see 19" iMacs being very cheap if they come out anytime soon. If they do, I'll be the first in line to get a 17" iMac at a reduced price ;-).
Not so sure about ANY of the new iMacs
I am an Apple technician for a school district. I myself do like Apple. But lately I've heard nothing but bad experiences with these LCD screens. They do not posess the quality that the separate LCD screens have. Screens tend to flicker and fade on both top and bottom of the screen. Even without lots of use, these screens aren't as sturdy as they look. Physically they are strong but the make up of them are anything but. Truthfully I'm not sure why the screens are turning out this way, but it sure is preventing any iMac purchases anytime soon for this school district.
Apple you make a pretty machine but...
Make it right the first time
Live up to your claims of true promises of speed and quality, not this fake Dual Processor enhancements with DDR ram that doesnt even utilize its true benefits.
People beware, Apple beware.
I change my attitude from I Love Apple to I Like Apple. Lately they have greatly disapointed me as an avid user.
I am an Apple technician for a school district. I myself do like Apple. But lately I've heard nothing but bad experiences with these LCD screens. They do not posess the quality that the separate LCD screens have. Screens tend to flicker and fade on both top and bottom of the screen. Even without lots of use, these screens aren't as sturdy as they look. Physically they are strong but the make up of them are anything but. Truthfully I'm not sure why the screens are turning out this way, but it sure is preventing any iMac purchases anytime soon for this school district.
Apple you make a pretty machine but...
Make it right the first time
Live up to your claims of true promises of speed and quality, not this fake Dual Processor enhancements with DDR ram that doesnt even utilize its true benefits.
People beware, Apple beware.
I change my attitude from I Love Apple to I Like Apple. Lately they have greatly disapointed me as an avid user.
Simple test for those that will think it is going to tip.
Go to your 15/17" iMac and hang some wieghts off of it. Put the arm all the way down inorder to get the most leverage.
I had arguements about the 17" tipping with peopel. I suspect that anyone that thinks this is going to tip has NEVER seen an LCD imac except online or in print. These things are very bottom heavy.
I tried tiping one at work and I must have pressed down 20-25 pounds of preassure before it tipped. I think even a 22" monitor will hold up just fine.
Re: the look.
Again I don't think those that are complaining have ever really worked at an iMac. the screen obscures all veiw of the base when you are working with the monitor pulled forward (the way I like to work anyway.) So then if you add any size of monitor it will not make it look any different to the users. It will just be a bigger better monitor.
Go to your 15/17" iMac and hang some wieghts off of it. Put the arm all the way down inorder to get the most leverage.
I had arguements about the 17" tipping with peopel. I suspect that anyone that thinks this is going to tip has NEVER seen an LCD imac except online or in print. These things are very bottom heavy.
I tried tiping one at work and I must have pressed down 20-25 pounds of preassure before it tipped. I think even a 22" monitor will hold up just fine.
Re: the look.
Again I don't think those that are complaining have ever really worked at an iMac. the screen obscures all veiw of the base when you are working with the monitor pulled forward (the way I like to work anyway.) So then if you add any size of monitor it will not make it look any different to the users. It will just be a bigger better monitor.
To my mind, saying that a 19" display is out of bounds for a consumer computer is like putting a cap on how much RAM or hard drive space a consumer computer should have. I'm sure most people would heartily support putting more RAM into an iMac of any model, and that most people would support getting the biggest hard drive you can when configuring your machine.