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[TwoBytes]

@AGKyle Ok, can someone explain what's going on?

What features do I miss out if I buy a one time licence vs a subscription? There is no feature comparison list on the 1Password site.

What are the benefits of having a 1password.com account vs say an iCloud account?

Can we have a table please 1Password staff? By the number of questions, it doesn't seem clear so it may help out having a page to point people to. 2 Columns clear, done

(so that's a perpetual vs subscription table and a 1password vs icloud comparison table).

 

[AGKyle]

@AGKyle Ok, can someone explain what's going on?

What features do I miss out if I buy a one time licence vs a subscription? There is no feature comparison list on the 1Password site.

What are the benefits of having a 1password.com account vs say an iCloud account?

Can we have a table please 1Password staff? By the number of questions, it doesn't seem clear so it may help out having a page to point people to. 2 Columns clear, done

(so that's a perpetual vs subscription table and a 1password vs icloud comparison table).

We outline a lot of that here:

https://support.1password.com/why-membership/

It's not a table as you're asking but tables are misleading by their very nature. I could make a table skew towards one thing or the other by including or excluding certain things across the board. The above link tries to mention the benefits of an account over doing it yourself. It doesn't go into the potential benefits of not going with an account.

Personally, I pay for and use a Family account. The benefits of the Family plan are extremely favorable, and makes my management of various family devices a lot easier. My mom forgot her Master password again? No worries, I can help her recover her account again and she's back in business and didn't lose any data. And better yet is I never have to know what her Master Password is, what I don't have I can't lose or accidentally give to the wrong people.

And their apps will always get updated and I never have to worry about it. There's no upgrade cycle I have to put them on, they just run The apps and install the updates.

For me, this is worth the cost of admission alone. Anything, literally ANYTHING that makes managing family computers and devices easier is worth whatever the cost. I hate being the family computer guy, this takes some of that burden away from me.

 

[TwoBytes]

Thanks @AGKyle but I still think a table will be easier to read and a lot less bias than the 'why membership page. that page is really text heavy and there is no direct answers on the 1Pass site. You need one page with 3 columns; perpetual/subscription/1Pass which shows what you get.

Something like this
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/comparison-tables/
or
https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/compare/

by all means, have links in the table but there are so many forumites asking the same questions as me which means the message from 1pass isn't clear. Even if users should buy from the app store or direct from Agile is still a question people ask.

 

[macintoshmac]

Thanks @AGKyle but I still think a table will be easier to read and a lot less bias than the 'why membership page. that page is really text heavy and there is no direct answers on the 1Pass site. You need one page with 3 columns; perpetual/subscription/1Pass which shows what you get.

Something like this
https://www.nngroup.com/articles/comparison-tables/
or
https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/compare/

by all means, have links in the table but there are so many forumites asking the same questions as me which means the message from 1pass isn't clear. Even if users should buy from the app store or direct from Agile is still a question people ask.

Have you gone through Reddit and other places looking for an answer? Perhaps Reddit will be able to help you better.

 

[max2]

Does anyone have lag or it take forever to open 1Password 7 on Firefox, Chrome or Safari with the browser extension now ?

Thanks.

 

[TwoBytes]

Have you gone through Reddit and other places looking for an answer? Perhaps Reddit will be able to help you better.

That's exactly the issue. You have to trawl through non-1password sources for information and pages of forum posts...
[doublepost=1528441781][/doublepost]Ok here is something I knocked up. Have I missed anything? To me it looks like the only advantage of the subscription is a web-based access to your passwords. Otherwise, a standalone licence is cheaper. Predicting 1Password 8 won't be out for another 2 years, it's much cheaper if you don' tneed web access. Let me know any features I missed from the subscription model.

Also, if you want standalone do not download the MAC version.

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[AGKyle]

That's exactly the issue. You have to trawl through non-1password sources for information and pages of forum posts...
[doublepost=1528441781][/doublepost]Ok here is something I knocked up. Have I missed anything? To me it looks like the only advantage of the subscription is a web-based access to your passwords. Otherwise, a standalone licence is cheaper. Predicting 1Password 8 won't be out for another 2 years, it's much cheaper if you don' tneed web access. Let me know any features I missed from the subscription model.

Also, if you want standalone do not download the MAC version.

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See, tables like this are fundamentally broken.

Do you need Mac, Windows, Android or iOS? All of them? Some of them? The price you show there changes for the standalone option, but stays the same for the subscription option.

It's incredibly difficult to present a table like that and have it be accurate or provide the information people actually want. We avoid it because it's never going to work, there are simply too many variables to display in a table like that.

I understand why you want it, but we won't be providing one I don't think. It's just too easy to make a mess of things.

For 99% of our users subscriptions are likely the better choice so it's the option we present to new users. For existing users, you get a page like the one I linked and you can ask questions. But ultimately it's up to you to decide which is better for you. I've happily switched to the subscription option, it's easier for me in the long run. You have to figure out which is best for you, you know the perks of the standalone license if you're an existing user, you've been using it for years. The perks of the membership are clearly outlined in the linked document. If you're a new user, I suggest just going with the subscription option. This is why we don't present both options on the website and we have absolutely no plans to bring that back.

 

[tkermit]

For 99% of our users subscriptions are likely the better choice

Only if price didn't factor into that choice. In that case I would agree with you. Because, obviously, in every other way subscriptions are superior to a standalone license. With an unlimited budget, I'd also be the first to sign up for a Porsche subscription service – likely the best choice for any Porsche enthusiast.

 

[macintoshmac]

Only if price didn't factor into that choice. In that case I would agree with you. Because, obviously, in every other way subscriptions are superior to a standalone license. With an unlimited budget, I'd also be the first to sign up for a Porsche subscription service – likely the best choice for any Porsche enthusiast.

This tone and these words were rather unwarranted.

 

[tkermit]

This tone and these words were rather unwarranted.

Don't mean to offend anyone, but I stand by what I said. AgileBits can obviously do and say whatever they want, but if they want to argue on a public forum that 99% of their users are best served paying (at least) $144 over a period of four years every four years for the privilege of using their software, I beg to differ with them.

If price didn't factor into these decisions – seriously – I wouldn't see any issues with software subscriptions at all. I mean, clearly the exact problem is that you most often end up paying much more in the end if you start subscribing to all of your software as services. And yet you're forced to keep paying unless you want to lose access to the software.

 

[macintoshmac]

And yet you're forced to keep paying unless you want to lose access to the software.

I think this might not be true with 1Password. Why? Because you won't just stop your subscription out of the blue. You will port your data out into some other app before divorcing 1Password.

I think most will agree that developers perhaps need to price their subscriptions captivatingly, but then people's spending intent on software has always been next to zero, so that's quite an uphill task when people either do not want to pay, or want to pay what clearly the developers find below their worth.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

And yet you're forced to keep paying unless you want to lose access to the software.

If you stop paying, you still have access to everything, including exporting your data. You just can add more, auto fill, or anything like that.

 

[janil]

It'll update you to the stable version later today when it's released.

Correct. Family purchasing is done entirely via the subscription model now. It provides the best price and the best features for typical family use. For those who don't want the subscription they can purchase individual licenses but there is no longer a discount for those like we offered in the past. This is one big shift and I'm sure it'll make some users unhappy but the 1Password.com Family plan is miles ahead of what we previously offered in the past for family use.

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It's somewhat of a bummer. I really like 1password, but don't want a cloud subscription, and can't justify the cost. I had a family bundle for mac + windows for 1password .6 mac + 1password 4 windows. The cost of that bundle was $55 or so (this was an upgrade price from an earlier version)

To upgrade to 1password 7, I would need a mac and windows license for myself ($130 total full price) and a mac license for my wife ($65 more). That's $195, which is crazy expensive for an upgrade for a password manager.

I posted this to the agilebits blog and all they could say is basically "good riddance." and that they felt $195 was justified as a price. A lot of other products I use have cross platform, per user license (for example, postbox).
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For 99% of our users subscriptions are likely the better choice so it's the option we present to new users.

That is mostly because you have changed the price structure to make it that way, and hurt your long term customers in the process.
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I do urge people to Kindly not be this negative about subscriptions and pricing. These developers are not asking you if you are worth the salaries you draw, are they? It is an open market and people are entitled to choose Agile Bits or another or none. No one is forcing them to stick with Agile Bits. Please have some sensibility and sensitivity towards fellow human beings.

Agilebits can do what they want to do, it is their product, and they seem like a good company. I think it's fair, though, to complain that the price for me to switch to 1password 7 is almost 400% more than it was to upgrade to 1password 6 ($195 vs $55).

 

[Mac'nCheese]

We outline a lot of that here:



For me, this is worth the cost of admission alone. Anything, literally ANYTHING that makes managing family computers and devices easier is worth whatever the cost. I hate being the family computer guy, this takes some of that burden away from me.

You seem to understand this service well. Can you dumb this down for me please: if I get the 1password service, I now use that service to log in to all my sites on any computer (work, public???) and my phone by using my new 1password password or, maybe touch Id....But 1password then has to send my other password, the one I set up on whatever site I'm loggin onto, to that site...So, I still have that old password and someone can still hack macrumors, Amazon, BoA, etc and get that password right? They won't need my 1password password because they have the actual password. That's what confuses me.

 

[Apple_Robert]

You seem to understand this service well. Can you dumb this down for me please: if I get the 1password service, I now use that service to log in to all my sites on any computer (work, public???) and my phone by using my new 1password password or, maybe touch Id....But 1password then has to send my other password, the one I set up on whatever site I'm loggin onto, to that site...So, I still have that old password and someone can still hack macrumors, Amazon, BoA, etc and get that password right? They won't need my 1password password because they have the actual password. That's what confuses me.

The password used to unlock your access to your 1password account and vault(s) is unique, and is not one that is used to input to other sites.

1Password has 2FA built into the app and it is recommended that users of the app turn the feature on, so that your account and vault are better protected.

In regards to inputting the password called for on your personal sites, all 1Password does is input the password that has been saved for the particular site(s) at your request.

1Password also has a password generator built into the app whereby you can create a password with a unique combination of characters, numbers and symbols.

When you use 1Password to input your site details, the information is encrypted while it is transmitted to the site. If possible, it is recommended to use 2FA on sites that allow it. If the site(s) you are registered with do not employ safety measures to protect your account details, (hashed and salted etc.) your account is at risk regardless of whether or not you use 1Password for password management etc.

By the way, AGKyle (whom you quoted) works for Agile Bits, the maker of 1password.

 

[macintoshmac]

You seem to understand this service well.

He is supposed to, he works at Agile Bits.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

The password used to unlock your access to your 1password account and vault(s) is unique, and is not one that is used to input to other sites.

1Password has 2FA built into the app and it is recommended that users of the app turn the feature on, so that your account and vault are better protected.

In regards to inputting the password called for on your personal sites, all 1Password does is input the password that has been saved for the particular site(s) at your request.

1Password also has a password generator built into the app whereby you can create a password with a unique combination of characters, numbers and symbols.

When you use 1Password to input your site details, the information is encrypted while it is transmitted to the site. If possible, it is recommended to use 2FA on sites that allow it. If the site(s) you are registered with do not employ safety measures to protect your account details, (hashed and salted etc.) your account is at risk regardless of whether or not you use 1Password for password management etc.

By the way, AGKyle (whom you quoted) works for Agile Bits, the maker of 1password.

OK, thank you so is that how it works:

I go to 1password and make up this crazy hard password for the site. But I also have to tell it my macrumors website password. So then, what happens? I go to macrumors on my phone on any computer, do I first have to go to 1password. And how do I sign up for new websites, is it some automatic app/program that I have to have on my phone and any computer I use? Sorry, i can't wrap my head around this for some reason. I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

 

[Apple_Robert]

OK, thank you so is that how it works:

I go to 1password and make up this crazy hard password for the site. But I also have to tell it my macrumors website password. So then, what happens? I go to macrumors on my phone on any computer, do I first have to go to 1password. And how do I sign up for new websites, is it some automatic app/program that I have to have on my phone and any computer I use? Sorry, i can't wrap my head around this for some reason. I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

+1 for Airplane (Lloyd Bridges) movie reference.

The Mac version on the MAS is the subscription purchase model. If you don't want to sign ups for the yearly subscription, which I believe is $36 U.S.D., you can go to the Agilebits website and download the standalone (non subscription version).

Once you have the Mac version downloaded, follow the steps to setup your account. Once you have your account set up, make sure it is open when you go to log into MacRumors. When you enter your username and password while 1password is open, it will ask you if you want it to save the login information for you. The next time you go to MacRumors while 1Password is open, it will input your login information for you. You will need to go to each website you use and manually log in the first time with 1Password open, so that you can build up the items in your vault.


The iPhone app download is free albeit if you want to upgrade to the Pro version, it is $10.00. If you sign up for the subscription, the yearly price covers all of your devices Mac, Windows, iPhone, Android.