It's not the subscription model that bothers me so much. I have a family subscription so that I can manage things for them. What I don't like about version 8 is the loss of iCloud vaults. AgileBits is a good company and I like their product (long time user), but having my bank account passwords in their cloud makes me nervous. I get it that iCloud is also a cloud service, but Apple has more resources, and more technical expertise to secure that service, or so I feel. Illogical perhaps...more feeling and comfort level. But just look how many "secure" applications running on cloud services have been hacked. So, unless I can get comfortable pushing all 800+ of my passwords into 1Password's cloud, I'm stuck on version 7.
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1Password 8 for Apple Watch Released With New Features and Complications
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I’ve been so happy with 1Password over the years, but 8 is a joke and seems like a craven attempt to force those with lifetime subscriptions into becoming monthly subscribers. I’m sticking with 7 as long as I can, then going elsewhere when it’s no longer supported.
That’s my number one concern as well. I could possibly come to terms with paying a monthly or annual subscription, but putting all of my most sensitive info in their cloud is a non-starter for me.
A “news story” covering their Apple Watch app? Really?!
Can we stop shilling for this company that has lied on these very forums?
Can we stop shilling for this company that has lied on these very forums?
Also cross browser, cross platform, and has a powerful CLI. Keychain is a pain to work with from the CLI.
Because you are exclusively inside the Apple ecosystem. Once you step outside that, Keychain is useless - it is not cross platform.
> putting all of my most sensitive info in their cloud is a non-starter for me.
I felt the same, until I read their document on how their security actually works:
It's long, and quite technical (as security is), but basically, even if their servers were hacked, or even a rogue employee got access, your 1Password data is still useless to them as they wouldn't be able to read it in any way.
The document above is worth a read, even just the 2nd page.
I felt the same, until I read their document on how their security actually works:
It's long, and quite technical (as security is), but basically, even if their servers were hacked, or even a rogue employee got access, your 1Password data is still useless to them as they wouldn't be able to read it in any way.
The document above is worth a read, even just the 2nd page.
This.
MacRumors does the same thing with Fantastical too.
Mediocre apps. Controversial pricing. Sketchy conduct by developers. Paid users who, rightly, feel aggrieved.
Let's give credit to Agilebits: They released the sub-only app as a new version, separate from the 'buy once' app. Most other developers do upgrade in place, which is pure evil.
Let's give critique too: The new version lacks good features that are present in the old version -- e.g., saved searches. 1PW v7 is best in class for saved searches. 1PW v8 has no such functionality whatsoever.
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I have used LastPass since its creation up until last year and switched to 1Password after testing keychain. Besides the other reasons mentioned, "family vault". Having to share some passwords between a wife and two kids is where it really falls short. If keychain was truly cross platform and had the equivalent of a family vault it would be much better. Apple finially gave use a shared photo family album after many years. Hopefully they take a look at this, create an app (not a shortcut from Ricky) and create a better sharing ability of some sort.
The Watch app does not even sync. I removed it. Cannot even think of a time I wanted a password manager on my watch. I use my watch for Apple Pay and to unlock my Mac. The 1PW app on my Mac is pretty much all I need. Sometimes I use the iPhone app.
I'm a long time 1Password user, I love it, the subscription to me is worth it. Let's put that aside... I have *NEVER* understood the point of the 1Password watch app. I see articles all the time, like yesterday on The Verge website that extols the wonders of having a password application on your watch, but they don't explain what the point is. Can ANYONE help me understand this? Is it just for the rare occasions I have my watch but don't have my phone and need a password? Is it for if my phone is stolen or broken to get my passwords? I just can't imagine why I would ever need to use a small tiny screen to view my passwords if I have the full blown app at my fingertips using my iPhone?
Source? It makes no sense that Apple would pay a third party for a service they already have regardless of how good. It would be like Apple buying everyone of their 100k+ employees an Spotify subscription.
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this news was back in 2018, and I believe it to be true, but moves by 1Password into the large business space with non-native applications that support all OS's since indicate to me they have moved another direction from when it seemed Apple might acquire them. in the last 4 years Apple has also further expanded their own keychain password system (although it remains woeful compared to 1Password in my mind) so perhaps this deal is no longer in place. It did exist at one point for sure.
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1Password has a number of features not present in Apple's own Keychain, as mentioned many times in this thread already.
The interesting comparison is not 1Password v8 versus Apple Keychain. Instead, compare 1Password v8 to each other app that beats 1PW in different ways such as having 'buy once' pricepoint, having non-offputting personnel. 1Password is better than Apple Keychain. But so are several other apps (e.g., Strongbox, Secrets). Agilebits is counting on users to ignore those other apps.
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Well I am grateful for this story. The image gave me an idea for how I might use this app. I stuck a few of my wife's passwords on there. Now when she asks me her passwords I can access them with a lift of the wrist. One day, when hell freezes over, she might even use the family subscription I pay for.
Which popular, trustworthy password managers offer a 'buy once' price point?
Lastpass: $36 a year subscription
Dashlane: $40 a year subscription
Bitwarden: $10 a year subscription (if you want features 1PW includes)
Roboform: $24 a year subscription
Enpass: £20 a year subscription
NordPass: £20 a year subscription (if you want features 1PW includes)
Keeper: $35 a year subscription
There are a few lesser known, lesser featured, Mac only, one-man band created apps on the Mac AppStore that are a 'buy once' but I'm not sure I'd trust my passwords with them, or rely on them being around/updated for long.
Which ones were you referring to?
Strongbox, KeePassium, Secrets are the ones that I have in mind. Probably others out there, too (e.g., Codebook).
Addendum: Secrets is macOS/iOS only. Strongbox and KeePassium based on KeePass, though, and so they fit well in cross-platform setups.
You're correct about 'one-man band'. It's a big shortcoming for password apps. In my opinion: No password app is perfect. 1Password v7 comes close but it's not buyable anymore.
I've been a 1P user since I got a license with macheist YEARS ago. I'm really deep in their platform, but it might be time to see how much crossover I've got with keychain and consider dumping this for a bit and going keychain only.
The problem Ive found is that it's really difficult to get to Keychain info on iOS. If Apple ever spins Keychain out into it's own app, I think a switch over from 1P will be much easier.
What's funny, though, is listening to all the Mac podcasts say, "Oh, a move to a cross-platform codebase is good," as 1P keeps sponsoring their shows after 1P BUILT their platform as a native Mac app. Now, they're bundled with Amazon eero+, which adds it's own weird thing to it.
The problem Ive found is that it's really difficult to get to Keychain info on iOS. If Apple ever spins Keychain out into it's own app, I think a switch over from 1P will be much easier.
What's funny, though, is listening to all the Mac podcasts say, "Oh, a move to a cross-platform codebase is good," as 1P keeps sponsoring their shows after 1P BUILT their platform as a native Mac app. Now, they're bundled with Amazon eero+, which adds it's own weird thing to it.
I'm sorry, no WAY am I trusting my passwords to anything but MAJOR companies that bet their reputation and livelihood on this. I think 1Passsword is in a class of its own at this point for safety of your data (outside of hardware companies themselves, I would trust Apple but their password solutions aren't robust). the cost of having even a single significant password stolen and used to damage my identity or finances would exceed a lifetime of savings on a one time purchase (which never are, you do have to upgrade usually at least every several years) vs. the 1Password subscription.
1Password's only threat isn't subscription fees, it is using Apple's built in alternative which is already good enough for many and they could easily make it good enough for all private users... that is why you see 1Password focusing on corporate needs so heavily now.
That doesn’t address my ability to maintain an offline backup of my entire vault, which I do yearly. If they had a major incident that left me without access to my data I would be screwed. I use 1Password at least 10x daily and virtually all of my accounts have secret questions that are randomly generated strings so password resets really aren’t possible without my vault.
It seems custom and rich icons don't show on my Apple Watch Ultra, just generic 1Password icons. This includes Amazon, Costco, Facebook, Outlook and Twitter.
Must be the same bug causing custom icons to be replaced by generic ones in the 1Password browser extension.
Must be the same bug causing custom icons to be replaced by generic ones in the 1Password browser extension.
I do frequent local backups of my 1Password account to an encrypted volume. I export in their proprietary format and as CSV.
Also, their software works without an internet connection. They have a local sqlite database that mirrors the remote vault so you always have access to your content using their program (if you don't want to use the CSV file).
Strongbox is a subscription for anything except the most basic features.
Secrets is $20 one-time, but is Mac/iOS only, one-man band, and I can't see any data export feature if the app were to be discontinued. Not sure I'd trust my data with it long-term.
KeePassium is iOS only, and a €15/year subscription to have auto-fill and multiple 'vaults'.