1Password 8 for Apple Watch Released With New Features and Complications

[rmadsen3]

Strongbox is a subscription for anything except the most basic features.
Secrets is $20 one-time, but is Mac/iOS only, one-man band, and I can't see any data export feature if the app were to be discontinued. Not sure I'd trust my data with it long-term.
KeePassium is iOS only, and a €15/year subscription to have auto-fill and multiple 'vaults'.

Strongbox has 'buy once' pricepoint (a separate SKU). KeePassium has 'buy once' pricepoint too (and it has a macOS app in the works). A big selling point of KeePass format is that the user can mix-and-match apps across platforms/devices. Select amongst different 'tools' (apps) for any given task.

1Password renters would do well to look seriously at KeePass ecosystem. After seeing Agilebits's disingenuous, aggressive move to sub-only pricing I for one will never again trust my data to an app that doesn't play well with other apps.

 

[Ridge Racer]

That doesn’t address my ability to maintain an offline backup of my entire vault, which I do yearly. If they had a major incident that left me without access to my data I would be screwed. I use 1Password at least 10x daily and virtually all of my accounts have secret questions that are randomly generated strings so password resets really aren’t possible without my vault.

You can backup your vaults locally as often as you want easily, and access your data offline. It's cached on device and only connects to sync new/modified entries.

 

[BaldiMac]

Because you are exclusively inside the Apple ecosystem. Once you step outside that, Keychain is useless - it is not cross platform.

iCloud Passwords (Keychain) is available on Windows and has extensions for Chrome and Edge.

 

[Ridge Racer]

1Password renters would do well to look seriously at KeePass ecosystem.

I went through a long and painful evaluation of almost all the alternative password managers when 1Password announced they were going subscription only with the Electron-based v8, and in the end, none of the alternatives worked as well for me as 1Password did (even in v8). They all had their own major drawbacks that prevented me from switching permanently.

Even though 1Password 8 is Electron-based, they've really improved and optimised it over the last year and it's not such a memory and resource-hog as you might expect an Electron app to be (even on my 2012 Mac mini). It's also got many features that none of the alternatives have (Universal Autofill, SSH Key management to name a couple). It's also the most polished, and frequently updated, all-round solution.

I was dead against 1Password 8 to start off with, very vociferously, but I've been converted slowly, and decided to stay.

 

[svenmany]

I went through a long and painful evaluation of almost all the alternative password managers when 1Password announced they were going subscription only with the Electron-based v8, and in the end, none of the alternatives worked as well for me as 1Password did (even in v8). They all had their own major drawbacks that prevented me from switching permanently.

Even though 1Password 8 is Electron-based, they've really improved and optimised it over the last year and it's not such a memory and resource-hog as you might expect an Electron app to be (even on my 2012 Mac mini). It's also got many features that none of the alternatives have (Universal Autofill, SSH Key management to name a couple). It's also the most polished, and frequently updated, all-round solution.

I was dead against 1Password 8 to start off with, very vociferously, but I've been converted slowly, and decided to stay.

I'm in the same boat.

I promised myself I'd stay on version 7 until it wasn't supported and in the meantime look for a replacement. I'm now a 1Password 8 convert. I find the versions for the iPhone, and computer (mac/windows) to be exceptional. They are constantly being improved.

 

[techpr]

Source? It makes no sense that Apple would pay a third party for a service they already have regardless of how good. It would be like Apple buying everyone of their 100k+ employees an Spotify subscription.

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Still today, iCloud Keychain is NO CONTEST for 1Password. Light years ahead of everything.

 

[techpr]

Stop complaining about the Subscription Model and the Security Misconceptions that drags you out of the reality. Read the 1Password White Paper and everyone will understand why 1Password is the BEST in the industry.

14 years using this App and 5 years a Happy Subscriber.

Try it, learn and USE it for a single year!

 

[Bash310]

For those looking for an alternative Secrets does not have a subscriptions service.
Do your own research as for the backend security of it.

 

[Regbial]

If you magically ignored posts 11 and 12 you may want to look at the website of the company to understand what differentiates them from free solutions.

Off topic but that's a cool profile pic... Very Halloween-ish.. May I ask where it's from? Some Metal album art...?

 

[mdatwood]

Source? It makes no sense that Apple would pay a third party for a service they already have regardless of how good. It would be like Apple buying everyone of their 100k+ employees an Spotify subscription.

As others have mentioned, 1P and Keychain are not equivalent. For personal use Keychain is better than nothing, but for enterprise usage Keychain isn't even in the conversation.

 

[tbayrgs]

It is far better than Apple Keychain. So much so that Apple rolled it out to all 100k+ employees internally. It’s the one subscription I happily pay every year because I use it every day.

It allows sharing of passwords in family vaults, built in 30 second rotating MFA codes, stores other info than just passwords (passports, licenses, etc), built in breach checks. The list of features is huge.

Yes, it is a subscription but software development is expensive (My career) so throwing $3 a month at a company for continuous improvement of software I love, I happily do it.

Source? It makes no sense that Apple would pay a third party for a service they already have regardless of how good. It would be like Apple buying everyone of their 100k+ employees an Spotify subscription.

Apple employee I know confirmed this, though they are given a three year subscription. After that time period, up to them to pay if they wish to continue.

 

[Peepo]

Great, now I can uninstall 1Password7 which I kept around for watch app!

 

[0924487]

It is far better than Apple Keychain. So much so that Apple rolled it out to all 100k+ employees internally. It’s the one subscription I happily pay every year because I use it every day.

It allows sharing of passwords in family vaults, built in 30 second rotating MFA codes, stores other info than just passwords (passports, licenses, etc), built in breach checks. The list of features is huge.

Yes, it is a subscription but software development is expensive (My career) so throwing $3 a month at a company for continuous improvement of software I love, I happily do it.

How do you like the new non-native Electron app?

 

[therobfonz]

I'm a long time 1Password user, I love it, the subscription to me is worth it. Let's put that aside... I have *NEVER* understood the point of the 1Password watch app. I see articles all the time, like yesterday on The Verge website that extols the wonders of having a password application on your watch, but they don't explain what the point is. Can ANYONE help me understand this? Is it just for the rare occasions I have my watch but don't have my phone and need a password? Is it for if my phone is stolen or broken to get my passwords? I just can't imagine why I would ever need to use a small tiny screen to view my passwords if I have the full blown app at my fingertips using my iPhone?

1Password 8 is now on the Apple Watch

The Apple Watch is an underrated 2FA tool.

www.theverge.com

What I sync to the watch are things like SSN numbers and vital family info. Sometimes I may forget my phone or don’t want to pull my phone out if I need a quick check of that info

 

[svenmany]

How do you like the new non-native Electron app?

I really love it. It is very responsive and attractive.

I particularly like how easy it is to configure display size. There's even a option to use compact mode so that you can save room without also needing to decrease font size.

 

[rmadsen3]

Electron not a dealbreaker for me. But the loss of functionality sure is!

Agilebits had a great implementation of smartfolders. Based on NSPredicateEditor. It's included in version 7 (for macOS). It's gone from version 8. All for the sake of cross-platform parity, which I for one don't care about.

They've had a year to add-back smartfolders and they've not done it yet.

 

[svenmany]

Agilebits had great a great implementation of smartfolders. Based on NSPredicateEditor. It's included in version 7 (for macOS). It's gone from version 8.

What are smart folders? I just fired up 1Password 7 and don't see anything named that.

 

[Fatboy71]

It's the one app that I do not mind paying a subscrition for. I get the 12 month subscription and it costs £30.99, and this covers new versions for Mac, iPad, iPhone. I now have the piece of mind knowing that I won't need to pay for a new license or new payment to get the latest version when they get released.

Initially when I first started using 1Password, with every other big software version change (then changed to every big software version change) a new license had to be purchased, which could get quite costly as one needed to be purchased for the Mac/Windows version, and also a payment needed to made for the iPhone/iPad one too. I recall a while back that the £30.99 worked out a far bit cheaper from what I used to pay for the separate license/payments before the subscription service started.

I can understand the need why some software developers go the subscription route, as they have a regular steady income amount coming in every month. Whereas with a one time payment for a particular version of the app, they get a large amount of payments coming in the beginning when it's first released, and then after that the payments get less and less again as users have already purchased it.

For all the people that say they want a one time purchase and they don't want to pay anything else, then how the hell do you expect a developer to make a living out of their app, and also go forward with the development of the app, and also provide support when users have issues with the app?

For all the whingers or the people that say they want a one time purchase and then they don't want to pay anything else, or they do not want to pay an ongoing subscription, then how do expect the developers to make a living, pay for support staff, develop the app and move forward with it, store your data securely. This all costs.

 

[svenmany]

What are smart folders? I just fired up 1Password 7 and don't see anything named that.

Never mind. I see it when I use a local vault. It's not available for the vaults on their servers.

 

[mdatwood]

How do you like the new non-native Electron app?

It's fine, looks nice and fits with Ventura pretty well. It doesn't look out of place or anything.

 

[dlopan]

I've been a long-time 1password user, and the subscription model isn't too bad however they do have very justifiable reasons for this.

1password is a cross-platform tool (so significantly more powerful and useful than Keychain). I have a Windows laptop, server, MBP, Android phone and iPhone. All sync without issues, and that's where the sub-model comes in.

That data needs to be stored somewhere and high-security storage is inherently expensive to maintain. Who pays for this? Who pays for the developers constantly delivering updates? Who pays for their business costs? Who pays for their marketing, research and more? Do you think it's all free?

A one-time fee simply doesn't provide the necessary income to support this. A subscription model does, plus it allows users always to receive the latest version of the software.

When I first started using 1password (v2), I paid for each new version. As an existing user, I got discounts but not everyone does this however, older versions still need to be supported which is not cost-effective.

With a sub-model, you are supporting your favourite software. You are supporting the development and future of the product, and you are paying for the ongoing costs.

You can of course pay a one-off fee to get the full version of 1password, but you won't have access to the cloud features and cross-platform capabilities. You also won't get support when a new version is released.

So before whining about subscription models, how about you look at why the economics of products have changed? You want cloud features. You want constant updates. You want 24/7 support. You want it across all your devices.

It was a very different world in software development before this. Only Windows and Mac versions existed. Sometimes it was just the one. There were fewer updates. You didn't expect the developers to support a cloud platform. You also had lower support expectations as you didn't expect a reply within the day.

Oh, and you moan about subscription costs yet everyone is completely oblivious to the fact that we all laughed at the iPhones launch price of $600, yet nobody bats an eyelid today spending $1600 on today's 13 Pro Max....(double the cost if you were to value it in today's money).

And the Apple Watch complication is pointless. I personally won't use it ever.

1Password is based in Canada. That also a problem. You use their servers which is a problem.

 

[Nabby]

I've posted this before, and I always like to bring it back when a password story comes out.

There is where I make my case for people to get a plan together for families.

My father suffered a brain incident and it has affected his ability to process information. He had a spreadsheet that had his account information, user ID, and a "coded" message for the password for each account. We spent quite a bit of time trying to decipher or reset passwords so my mom could perform online functions. I've since converted my standalone 1Password app to a family subscription and setup my mom to enter all her account information in a shared vault with myself and my brother. Then we can both help her when she calls with questions.

I love 1Password and it has been great for me with the family plan. I would recommend it, but more importantly, figure out how you will handle this situation while everyone still has the ability to communicate. Do not wait until it becomes a very involved process!!

 

[BobSc]

1Password is based in Canada. That also a problem. You use their servers which is a problem.

Why is the use of their servers a problem?

 

[chickenpiccata]

What I don't like about version 8 is the loss of iCloud vaults.

iCloud? The service where I take a picture on my iPhone and it takes 15 minutes to get to the iMac in the same room? I would never trust critical data to iCloud. Too flaky. Apple is busy trying to be a bank and a media company (and maybe an automobile manufacturer). I prefer a company that has a single line of business and must keep it successful to stay in business.

 

[drumcat]

I moved on to Minimalist. One payment.

I don't rent software.