1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access

[macintoshmac]

Ok genius. Care to explain what was so stupid about that or what you'd change about their model?

I never talked about the model, genius.

I never even attacked the price companies charge for their software and whether I think it’s fair value - because I know value as perceived is different for everyone. No consumer is under any obligation except for paying the rate of taxes their government wants to charge.

What I am talking about is the mindset of consumers where they compare the likes of Adobe and Microsoft subscriptions with apps going down to Day One and Ulysses by generalising the ‘developers’ developing the software.

That was, that is, and that will be preposterously moronic.

 

[dave070]

I never talked about the model, genius.

I never even attacked the price companies charge for their software and whether I think it’s fair value - because I know value as perceived is different for everyone. No consumer is under any obligation except for paying the rate of taxes their government wants to charge.

What I am talking about is the mindset of consumers where they compare the likes of Adobe and Microsoft subscriptions with apps going down to Day One and Ulysses by generalising the ‘developers’ developing the software.

That was, that is, and that will be preposterously moronic.

you make zero sense here. A subscription is a subscription. If it’s a small company and you don’t think it’s worth it, don’t subscribe. Your statement is ‘preposterously moronic’.

 

[bradl]

Ok genius. Care to explain what was so stupid about that or what you'd change about their model? As I pointed out, going to a subscription model may have pissed some people off but Adobe profits are way up. If $36 a year for 1Password is too much for you, that's really tough. Sorry to hear.

A private company is under no obligation to make things as cheap as possible for you. If you can't afford $36 a year then a piece of paper and a pen cost about 5 cents. Maybe a more affordable option for you? Or other cheaper software solutions. If they've guessed wrong and the subscription model is a disaster from them, they'll either adapt or go out of business.

It isn’t what makes it stupid for the company; no, no no.. it’s what makes the cost stupid for the consumer.

If I paid $39 for 1Password 6 when it came out in 2018, in 13 months time, it would have paid for itself at the subscription rate. 3 years later, I am still able to use it, and can contribute to use it in perpetuity. So for every year you are paying that $36 (and let’s leverage that out to 5 years), you would have paid $180 for a program I paid $39 for.

And on top of that, you would have paid $180 for them to hold and be the owners of your data, plus leaves your data subject to search and seizure without your knowledge, approval, or objection, let alone that they can close up shop and walk away with your data (by law, they would be the legal owners of your data) and you would have paid $180 to willingly have someone take, destroy, or surrender your data to the authorities without any legal recourse.

Your convenience with SaaS comes with the price of losing the security of not owning your data. Nice job. Hope that $36/year is worth it for you.

BL.

 

[macintoshmac]

you make zero sense here. A subscription is a subscription. If it’s a small company and you don’t think it’s worth it, don’t subscribe. Your statement is ‘preposterously moronic’.

I wouldn’t make sense to those mindsets I’m referring to. I don’t mind.

1Password is cheaper in my country than all other password managers combined. I pay USD 12 a year for it. Why did I pay USD 48 for Codebook clients then?

I did that because 1Password is becoming more of a nuisance than a convenience to me now - it’s undergoing both feature bloat and aversion to Apple. Moving to Electron for Mac apps is a developer-serving choice not a consumer-serving one.

I need to download two pieces to use 1Password in Safari and macOS. First the Mac app, then the Safari Extension. Then extensions for all other browsers. iOS now uses auto fill plus an extension - it’s just becoming weird and unwieldy to use.

Sure, those who find it the best, must keep using it. I’m neither mocking them nor complaining about that.

But to think 1Password/ Day One/ Ulysses subscriptions are in the same league as Adobe and Microsoft subscriptions - that’s foolish and naive.

 

[bingeciren]

$36 is not a high bar for a program this useful. Sure, buying a version for $60 and keeping it for 3+ years is great but it also makes predicting revenue harder for the company. Ever notice how some companies come out with a brand new version even though not a ton has changed just so they can charge more again? Sure, you aren't forced to upgrade but you also don't get the latest features and improvements. Ideally, they'd sell you the program for $10 and you'd keep it forever but we kind of have to face reality on where the market is going.

If enough people walk because $36 is a bad value then sure, you'll be right and the company will have to change their business model. But for all the people complaining about Adobe going this route, their profits have soared. https://www.subscriptioninsider.com...orts-record-revenue-of-3-94-billion-q3-fy2021

Sad but true. However, this scheme of things benefits companies more than the end user. I hardly see a perpetual $36/yr value in upgrading from the V6 I paid years ago. Added benefits don't justify the added cost. Another bad thing about subscription is that, unlike the stand alone licence, the app stops functioning if the subscription is not renewed,

 

[Alwis]

3 years later, I am still able to use it, and can contribute to use it in perpetuity.

Much more important: I can use the current version of "paid once" software to access my data, even when the company went out of business.

Personally I am not a big fan of subscriptions for software or "real" items, when they do not contain changing content (like my newspapers or Netflix). This is especially true when I am not using the software regularly. As an example, I bought Pixelmator & Pixelmator Pro and all Affinity products, I use any of this software maybe once a month, some even less. I would never have subscribed to any of it.but with the license they offered they could make some money from me.

With 1Password I think, the company got too big for a quite simple App (I am a developer myself with 20 years of experience, so I think I am qualified to say so). No they have to sustain this size of a company regarding the means. For me, as a customer, that means that I have to pay for services and functions I will never use.

This said, I would probably accept the subscription for 1Password, as I use it often and I like it. I have spend money much worse. But I would expect to get want I want when paying several hundred Euros the next 10 or more years and that is the moment, we have to discuss reduced functionality.

With 1Password they could pay me much more than their annual subscription a month and I would not use it without having local vaults.

And in general I do not like the attitude of people who think they know better what is good for me than myself.

 

[steve62388]

Much more important: I can use the current version of "paid once" software to access my data, even when the company went out of business.

Personally I am not a big fan of subscriptions for software or "real" items, when they do not contain changing content (like my newspapers or Netflix). This is especially true when I am not using the software regularly. As an example, I bought Pixelmator & Pixelmator Pro and all Affinity products, I use any of this software maybe once a month, some even less. I would never have subscribed to any of it.but with the license they offered they could make some money from me.

With 1Password I think, the company got too big for a quite simple App (I am a developer myself with 20 years of experience, so I think I am qualified to say so). No they have to sustain this size of a company regarding the means. For me, as a customer, that means that I have to pay for services and functions I will never use.

This said, I would probably accept the subscription for 1Password, as I use it often and I like it. I have spend money much worse. But I would expect to get want I want when paying several hundred Euros the next 10 or more years and that is the moment, we have to discuss reduced functionality.

With 1Password they could pay me much more than their annual subscription a month and I would not use it without having local vaults.

And in general I do not like the attitude of people who think they know better what is good for me than myself.

Bitwarden isn’t too bad. Have a look. I’m waiting for an update that includes more categories that’s supposed to arrive this year (which looks like it’s going to be late). When they arrive I’m jumping ship.

 

[MisterSavage]

Bitwarden isn’t too bad. Have a look. I’m waiting for an update that includes more categories that’s supposed to arrive this year (which looks like it’s going to be late). When they arrive I’m jumping ship.

Yeah that was kind of pain dealing with when importing my data. I'm still glad I jumped ship and am loving Bitwarden.

 

[Alwis]

Bitwarden isn’t too bad. Have a look. I’m waiting for an update that includes more categories that’s supposed to arrive this year (which looks like it’s going to be late). When they arrive I’m jumping ship.

I am currently evaluating self hosting bitwarden with the compatible vaultwarden server: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

This is much more lightweigt than the self hosting setup from Bitwarden itself, easy to setup with docker and looks promising. Currently I am in no big hurry, I have a 1PW 7 perpetual license and can use this at least until macos 13 ist realesed. Until than I will have decided for an alternative.

 

[bradl]

I am currently evaluating self hosting bitwarden with the compatible vaultwarden server: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

This is much more lightweigt than the self hosting setup from Bitwarden itself, easy to setup with docker and looks promising. Currently I am in no big hurry, I have a 1PW 7 perpetual license and can use this at least until macos 13 ist realesed. Until than I will have decided for an alternative.

Are you running an Intel Mac? Because MacOS 13 shouldn't matter, unless you are looking for 1Password 7 to remain supported. I ask that because they do have a Silicon version of 1Password 7 that you can use. Just apply your license key to that, and you're good until you choose to migrate off, regardless of MacOS.

BL.

 

[Crazy Badger]

I am currently evaluating self hosting bitwarden with the compatible vaultwarden server: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

This is much more lightweigt than the self hosting setup from Bitwarden itself, easy to setup with docker and looks promising. Currently I am in no big hurry, I have a 1PW 7 perpetual license and can use this at least until macos 13 ist realesed. Until than I will have decided for an alternative.

I always found this, or at least in its previous bitwarden_rs guise, a little behind the curve. I don't think the official setup is all that heavy and is easy enough to deploy using docker, so not sure of the benefits.

 

[Alwis]

Are you running an Intel Mac? Because MacOS 13 shouldn't matter, unless you are looking for 1Password 7 to remain supported. I ask that because they do have a Silicon version of 1Password 7 that you can use. Just apply your license key to that, and you're good until you choose to migrate off, regardless of MacOS.

Yes, currently I am using only Intel Macs. My suspicion is, that 1PW will cease to function with macOS 14 or iOS 16 because of planned obsolescence… I will continue to use it if it will run on new OS versions.

I always found this, or at least in its previous bitwarden_rs guise, a little behind the curve. I don't think the official setup is all that heavy and is easy enough to deploy using docker, so not sure of the benefits.

I would use Bitwarden with just one or two users, in my view vaultwarden as a single container with SQLite nicely fits into this use case and can be executed on “small“ machines. I am still testing it but until now it looks good.

 

[bradl]

Yes, currently I am using only Intel Macs. My suspicion is, that 1PW will cease to function with macOS 14 or iOS 16 because of planned obsolescence… I will continue to use it if it will run on new OS versions.

If you're on 1Password 7, then you're good. Your only problem is going to be the same problem I have, which isn't if your Mac can run the latest version of MacOS; the problem is going to be how long your Mac will run. The last MacOS that was supposed to run on my Mac was High Sierra. It crashed instantly after install, so I've been on Sierra ever since. That then puts me with using 1Password 6 on this Mac for as long as the Mac will last. I'm on 10.5 years on it right now, so I'm on a good run with this.

So when Apple puts out the first MacOS that doesn't support Intel Macs, just simply stay on the latest version that can, and run 1Password 7 there forever.

BL.

 

[Crazy Badger]

I've just retired a 10-year-old iMac that wouldn't update beyond High Sierra. Not because it wouldn't run anymore - it does and still pretty well booting from an SSD with 32GB RAM - but because it wouldn't run an application (Omnifocus) update that I needed as it synced data across all of my Apple devices. I suspect this becomes inevitable with most software if you are using it across new, old and even mobile devices. Nothing lasts forever!

 

[bradl]

I've just retired a 10-year-old iMac that wouldn't update beyond High Sierra. Not because it wouldn't run anymore - it does and still pretty well booting from an SSD with 32GB RAM - but because it wouldn't run an application (Omnifocus) update that I needed as it synced data across all of my Apple devices. I suspect this becomes inevitable with most software if you are using it across new, old and even mobile devices. Nothing lasts forever!

That’s kinda where I am with 1Password 6. While I can run 1Password 7 and newer, I lose functionality that I already have with 1Password 6. So I’m at the end of the road for 1Password. I can keep using 1Password 6 forever, but because of the requirements I have, I have no viable upgrade path.

BL.

 

[srbNYC]

For those working with Alfred and 1Password, the former just released a workflow to work with 1P8. Haven't tried it yet but figured you folks would want to know.

Alfred 4.6.5 Released: 1Password 8 Workflow Integration - Alfred Blog

Find out more about the new workflow-based 1Password 8 integration

www.alfredapp.com