Which my 4A and 5A rights come into play, which yours will not when they simply ask by subpoena to get to yours at a 3rd party. That is the difference. But hey, you be you.
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Which my 4A and 5A rights come into play, which yours will not when they simply ask by subpoena to get to yours at a 3rd party. That is the difference. But hey, you be you.
BL.
So then don't use the new version of 1Password or any other cloud-based pw manager if you're that paranoid about it. I'm not. I AM being me. How about you be you and just move onto what you consider green pastures instead of whining about the pasture you're in now? You have choices. 1Password doesn't owe you anything. Not sure what else to say to you aside from that, so this will be my final comment to you.
Looks like I am going from long term 1Password happy customer to being in a bad relationship due to no standalone license. That Electron move is another reason to abandon 1Password. I feel bad, as it has been a great product for many years and it seems they have great people behind it. Subscription model doesn't make sense to me, not for a password manager that works great for me as standalone. It also makes the product much more expensive for no good reason. As I am almost certain they won't reconsider this "upgrade" moves I am starting my search for a long term password manager replacement. I'll use 1Password 7 while it is still functional. Really sad.
EDIT: seems like I read this too narrowly and indeed the only storage option will be 1p’s cloud. Looks like I’ll be switching off the app unless y’all will come to your senses before release
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I’ve seen a number of times posted that VC funding may be a cause or reason for 1Password 8 to go the non-native route etc. — something like that.
I don’t understand. Could someone explain how any of this development is related to venture capitalist funding? Genuine question.
I don’t understand. Could someone explain how any of this development is related to venture capitalist funding? Genuine question.
I suppose that now that Apple is bringing Keychain to Windows, many in the Apple-centric world will just simply stick to Keychain since iOS, macOS and Windows will all now be in sync.
My understanding is that unifying development under Electron for all platforms allows them to cut/streamline development costs otherwise they have to maintain separate development teams/tracks for each platform Mac/Windows on the desktop side and Android/iOS on the mobile side.
Not going to pay for a slow electron app, if I’m forced to migrate to a slow memory hog like Teams I’m going to move the three companies I work for off 1Password and my own family plan. Horrible mistake to end the native Mac all.
Thanks. I understand that part, but don’t understand the connection with VC funding.
The view is that once the VC's came on board the pressure to cut costs and increase revenue & profitability was a key driver in the decision matrix to move to Electron.
Unfortunately Keychain is not even close to being able to replace 1Password. And passwords in the keychain are also stored in the cloud. My main concern with 1PW 8 is not the subscription (which I do not like but may live with) but the removal of local vaults.
There is no way I will store all of my password in some cloud, regardless of the provider.
I see. So it's like a carrot and stick situation:
Carrot: we have money here that you want!
Stick: but we not giving it unless you do a, b, c.
Mm...interesting. I have heard lots of complaints re: Electron etc. I can only conceptually understand since I have no programming experience, but it is an interesting discussion. I won't be trying out 1Password 8 any time soon since that requires both a subscription and it gets rid of local vaults. Sorry, not doing that.
I've heard such great things about how much energy the M1 chip saves and the performance it gives. Imagine if a lot of that was negated by 1Password being a resource hog. ???
Apparently, for newer versions of MacOS, they are going to be native Mac apps:
blog.1password.com
Interesting is this blurb:
I'm going to assume that "latest operating systems" will mean the last two, so for the sake of this let's make them Big Sur and Monterey. This would then cover any Silicon or last two year's run of Macs. Anything older than that would probably be out (don't know yet, AgileBits hasn't said). If this is the case, then this will alleviate half of the problems I have, leaving the subscription model to be the problem.
Unless I'm wrong with what hardware that can run SwiftUI-built apps, that's how I'm reading this...
BL.
1Password 8: The Story So Far | 1Password
1Password 8 is a huge undertaking so far, and we are dedicated to creating top-tier experiences across all of our platforms. Read about our journey & features of 1Password 8.
Interesting is this blurb:
I'm going to assume that "latest operating systems" will mean the last two, so for the sake of this let's make them Big Sur and Monterey. This would then cover any Silicon or last two year's run of Macs. Anything older than that would probably be out (don't know yet, AgileBits hasn't said). If this is the case, then this will alleviate half of the problems I have, leaving the subscription model to be the problem.
Unless I'm wrong with what hardware that can run SwiftUI-built apps, that's how I'm reading this...
BL.
You didnt read far enoughApparently, for newer versions of MacOS, they are going to be native Mac apps:
1Password 8: The Story So Far | 1Password
1Password 8 is a huge undertaking so far, and we are dedicated to creating top-tier experiences across all of our platforms. Read about our journey & features of 1Password 8.
Interesting is this blurb:
I'm going to assume that "latest operating systems" will mean the last two, so for the sake of this let's make them Big Sur and Monterey. This would then cover any Silicon or last two year's run of Macs. Anything older than that would probably be out (don't know yet, AgileBits hasn't said). If this is the case, then this will alleviate half of the problems I have, leaving the subscription model to be the problem.
Unless I'm wrong with what hardware that can run SwiftUI-built apps, that's how I'm reading this...
BL.
“Ultimately we made the painful decision to stop work on the SwiftUI Mac app and focus our SwiftUI efforts on iOS, allowing the Electron app to cover all of our supported Mac operating systems.”
So much this. I’m actually fine with a subscription, I actually already have one, but it has to provide features I want and need. Not only is this not doing that it’s actually taking away the core reason I like 1P. It’s a downgrade! This is a bad move, it’s a customer-hostile move, and if it’s being pushed by VCs I hope the execs do actually look at the feedback here and elsewhere and push back.
It does explain why they’ve been so reluctant to add new cloud provider backends as native in the app though, like google drive, the push to end local vaults/non 1P vaults probably started a while ago and they were just getting ready to drop this on everyone
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True, but that is people like you, me, and quite a few on this board, but… you know...
In short, they prioritized the release date more than doing it right... And if this is the priority I do not want to know how many bugs there will be in the first releases...
The password manager in Safari is supposed to be as simple as possible so that anyone can use it without a fuss. Let third parties do the complex stuff.
One thing I would add to Safari’s password manager is a button to confirm changes when closing the preferences pane. I accidentally deleted the wrong password entry last week and there was obviously no way to undo it. Had to reset the password on the service.
Is it just me, or does any one else have an issue with "unlock with Apple Watch" (in 1P8)?
In 1P7, the watch was the primary way of unlocking for me, but in 1P8, I have to manually click the watch icon.
It's not the end of the world, or a deal breaker, but it is one of those things that goes on the CON side of things...
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Or is this a case of "Error-40"?
(The error is located 40cm from the screen...?)
In 1P7, the watch was the primary way of unlocking for me, but in 1P8, I have to manually click the watch icon.
It's not the end of the world, or a deal breaker, but it is one of those things that goes on the CON side of things...
Or is this a case of "Error-40"?
(The error is located 40cm from the screen...?)
Everyone is seeing it wrong. It is 90.5 MB.
@bwoodruff I am laughing here. Over 2 gigabytes for a password manager. Anyone seeing this is going to have a field day. This is meme material. This is what Reddit memes are made of.
What have the smart founder duo done here with this beloved Mac app.. It may be painful to backtrack but in user interest and in the interest of the company, the duo must be made to reconsider everything about 1Password 8 on macOS.
Create a Reddit meme out of it. Gain something from this bloat. The world could do with some spontaneous chuckles.
It's not a problem for you unless that developer goes under. So instead, they'd just do major updates every year or two and maybe stop supporting older versions instead more quickly than they used to. So yes, if there is a service or product that's valuable, I have no problem paying for that and making sure they are profitable and can be around in the future. Can always write your own software.