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1Password 8 for Mac With Improved Interface, Performance, and More Now Available in Early Access
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Compared to the cost of a classic license the subscription license is much more expensive because the user controls when they pay for an upgrade. I didn't save the results but when I ran the numbers a couple of years ago the money saved was considerable. In recent years I haven't upgraded the Mac OS very often, so I can get a lot more time out of a 1Password version. (I'm running Mojave on a 2018 Mini and my wife is using Big Sur on her new MacBook Air.) In my two-user family we simply do not need anything beyond what the classic license offers.
I think everyone would like to spend less money. But it sounds like this model isn't going away for the bigger developers. $36 a year for such a good product is worth it to many but clearly not everyone. There are always alternatives as well.
Well, sure, everything adds up if you give it enough time. If I ate a $1.00 burrito at Taco Bell every day for 10 years, that would add up to $3,650.00. Does that mean the burrito was expensive? No. And just because a cheaper option may have once been available doesn't mean the new one is unreasonably expensive.
So your options are to keep what you have until it stops working or go a different route. They clearly have enough customers that are happy with the product and new model. Now if enough people feel like you do and they figure out they made a massive mistake then maybe they'll reverse course. Unless that happens, looks like you'll have to find an alternative solution.
I paid $50 for a 1Password 7 license in 2018. That's quite a price difference than if I had paid $36 a year. Since I didn't have the option to purchase a license in 2021 I started shopping around to see other options. Price wasn't the only reason I switched but it was a factor.
No subscription service likely would ever beat $50 and keeping software for 3-5 years. But Microsoft, Adobe...etc all going this route. Adobe has done better with profits than in years so don't think this model is going away soon. The 1Password developers are fantastic and the program is too so have not problems supporting the platform. If you've found something better, that's great. There are plenty of options.
Yep. I think 1Password is a great fit for many people. I don't regret switching away from it and am happy with what I chose.
What people don’t get is that there’s no technical reason why an Electron app can’t look and feel like a native app. The issue isn’t cross-platform frameworks, but the reason why development teams use them, which is to reduce development effort and costs. The effort it would take to make an Electron app look and feel like a native Mac application would negate the benefits of using Electron in the first place. Same applies to Apple‘s Catalyst, which is why Messages, Music, and Home apps on the Mac are trash.
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I've been self-hosting Bitwarden for almost 2 years now after running 1Password for a good few years before that. Not knocking 1Password as it worked fine for me, but I much prefer Bitwarden. The simple fact is though, that any password manager is better than no password manager!
Yep, 1Password was a good fit for me for many years but I have no regrets switching to Bitwarden.
I'm just in process of switching from 1Password to Strongbox on macOS/iOS/iPadOS. Strongbox uses Keepass database files so cross-platform support is there.
While Strongbox is not quite as user friendly as 1Password, this setup provides much more flexibility. Obviously big plusses are:
While Strongbox is not quite as user friendly as 1Password, this setup provides much more flexibility. Obviously big plusses are:
- Native apps on all platforms.
- Local "vaults" - you can store the Keepass database file where ever you wish. I keep it on my iCloud drive.
- Good integration with native Safari password autofill functionality. I prefer it a lot over the recently introduced 1Password browser extension which seemed slow and bulky.
- Strongbox apps support family sharing so yearly running costs are much lower than with 1Password family plan. (I didn't consider 1Password expensive, until they started to ruin the experience on macOS with Electron and crappy Safari extension.)
Sky's the limit on this. I migrated to both Enpass and Codebook. From the migrants thread:
Well... I've made my decision. And it's an interesting one.
I've decided to migrate to Enpass... and I've decided to migrate to Codebook. Why both?
Both offer what I need, so I'm not worried about requirements/features. As mentioned before, both use SQLCipher, which Zetetic created, and with it being FOSS, I'm comfortable in the encryption methods being used. And as the government uses this as well (meaning that they conform to NIST and ISO 27001 standards), they can provide DoD level encryption, which I've had to use in encrypting PCI data. Not that any of that is relevant here, but that simply because it has the ability to encrypt at that strength leaves me very comfortable in what both can do.
But why both? Simple. the problem.. is me.
Because I'm the IT guy, I'm effectively the de facto IT guy for 4 families: Mine, my mother's side of my family, my father's side of my family, and part of the in-laws. I store all of my family's vital records into that password manager: SSNs, bank account numbers, passports, birth certificates, etc. But with having hold of my extended family's data, this means that they also tend to come to me for some of the passwords to things that they forget. And while I could lump them all together into the same vault, or even create separate vaults for each part of my family, that still leaves one single point of entry: the master password.
Remember how I keep rambling on about Single Point of Failure? That master password is that single point of failure. What that means is that if that master password is lost by any means, all of that data is inaccessible. Further, should I give someone that master password for keeping should something happen to me, that means that that person would have access to everyone's data.
I prefer having that separate, so that one side of my family does not access to my other families' data. So two separate apps with two separate master passwords, and multiple vaults inside each application solves that perfectly. One master password can be given to my immediate family in case of emergency, and one master password to my mother in case of emergency there. I'm an only child, so the data for my father's side of my family will always be with me anyway.
So this way, I keep my family's data separate, plus protect one side from the other, and can keep my data in multiple vaults in applications in multiple places in case of disaster. In short, redundancy.
So both will be working for me, as both will suit my needs.
My requirements were rather simple: local vaults, no subscription, simple to import, multiple fields for data that can be inserted (see above). Both Enpass and Codebook met those requirements, with Enpass having ease of use, and Codebook having the years of experience behind the product. Both do the same for me, but as I said above, I needed a line of separation so both sides of my family can be safe in the fact that one side doesn't have access to the other side's data.
You can't go wrong with either of these, as well as the others that are available, but it all boils down to what requirements you have.
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You took the words right out of my mouth. That’s exactly how I see it. I like 1Password a lot and I intend to stay with 6 as long as I can. However my feelings toward the company declined ever since they started to push the subscription model to their users and now that they completely abandoned the standalone licenses, I despise their attitude.
$36 is not a high bar for a program this useful. Sure, buying a version for $60 and keeping it for 3+ years is great but it also makes predicting revenue harder for the company. Ever notice how some companies come out with a brand new version even though not a ton has changed just so they can charge more again? Sure, you aren't forced to upgrade but you also don't get the latest features and improvements. Ideally, they'd sell you the program for $10 and you'd keep it forever but we kind of have to face reality on where the market is going.
If enough people walk because $36 is a bad value then sure, you'll be right and the company will have to change their business model. But for all the people complaining about Adobe going this route, their profits have soared. https://www.subscriptioninsider.com...orts-record-revenue-of-3-94-billion-q3-fy2021
Ok genius. Care to explain what was so stupid about that or what you'd change about their model? As I pointed out, going to a subscription model may have pissed some people off but Adobe profits are way up. If $36 a year for 1Password is too much for you, that's really tough. Sorry to hear.
A private company is under no obligation to make things as cheap as possible for you. If you can't afford $36 a year then a piece of paper and a pen cost about 5 cents. Maybe a more affordable option for you? Or other cheaper software solutions. If they've guessed wrong and the subscription model is a disaster from them, they'll either adapt or go out of business.
I suspect you are talking above each other's head, because your situations are likely different. Dave probably has more money than the guy above him, and can't empathize with caring a lot about spending hours of work, if paid a low wage salary, on something that has free/cheaper alternatives.
I can totally empathize and face reality at the same time. They made a business decision. You don’t have to like that decision and can always find something cheaper. Again, if the people at 1Password have made a horrible mistake, they will go out of business. The reasons why they went to a subscription model are clear. You don’t have to like or support those reasons.