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Am I right in thinking that this app does what Safari and keychain already do?
Or am I wrong? It wouldn't be the first time :D

As someone else mentioned already, Safari's Keychain integration does not work for all websites, and that's not a fault of Safari... some websites deliberately build their username/password forms to prevent auto-fill from working.

I use iCloud Keychain extensively. It's my preferred solution for password management. But I also have 1Password set up for those few sites where I want to quickly fill a form that isn't supported by the browser auto-fill.

Thanks Jobs that Safari 8.0.5 finally fixed the auto-fill behaviour for local sites that I've set up (using a non-standard .dev top-level domain). Prior versions of Safari 8.x were broken in this respect.
 
Yes remembering the code for your garage door is rather easy. However remembering the code for your parents garage door that you only need once every six months that's harder. There are several codes or passwords that I rarely use that are location-based. This app would be very helpful. Currently I keep those codes in 1password notes.

Fair point.
 
...but there are tons of contexts where it's more convenient to do it on the watch.

It's just "iPad is just a giant iPhone" all over again :rolleyes:

I'm old enough to remember people making fun of people using remotes with a tv rather than getting off the couch to change the channel. Some people are open to new things and other people aren't. They'll catch on in time...

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IKR?!?!

Why would I want a TV remote when I can just walk over to the TV and change the channel? Lazy!

Why would I need a TiVo/DVR when I have a perfectly good VCR? Dumb!

Why would I need a microwave when I have an awesome oven? Lazy!

Why would I even need an oven when I can make a fire just fine? No fire-making skills!

Why would I need a *remote* garage door opener when I can get out of my car and just open the garage? I don't care if it's raining! Lazy!

Why do I need a cell phone when there are payphones on every corner??? Duh!

Lazy Lazy Lazy Lazy Dumb people!!!

PS> AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

You forgot: Why do I need the internet when I have a set of encyclopedias and a library two miles from my house?

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Understand your point but how can you compare your pocket to any of these, especially when it's just as much effort to pick a phone out of your pocket as there is to lift your wrist.

Not when your hands are full or you actually keep your phone inside a purse, a zippered purse.
 
Right - and then developers carved out niche applications and reasons to buy an iPad an iPhone.

In a year or two, the -Watch will be a very nice device with niche applications. Right now, there's no reason to buy one, especially when the required to use iPhone is in your pocket less than 2 feet away. Unless you're so incredibly lazy you can't be bothered to get up from your desk and go get it from the charger (assuming your charger is not on your desk).

Early adopters are great to try out new technology. The mainstream average "I want an iPhone because my friends all have iPhones" user won't buy one for a few years yet.

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I'd rather save the $349+ and pull my phone out of my pocket :)

I don't think you quite understand how this is going to work.
Certainly an Apple Watch isn't going to become a "necessity" for very many people very soon. But there's a difference between making something handier and being lazy.

At release the Apple Watch has a certain amount of fashion (obviously highly subjective), some new ways of interacting with you (tap, hr), new built-in native apps, and 3rd-party apps which are "just" a scaled down view into your phone, strapped to your wrist.

That's plenty for some and virtually useless for others... but there's nothing sad or lazy or unfortunate.

BTW, people are already creating apps that specifically make more sense for a wrist UI than a phone or tablet UI.
 
It's a little confusing as to how 1password would work to allow you to simply raise your wrist to see the password.
Does it use the phone's GPS to identify your location, and you configure the specific login/password to only display when you're in the area?
Will it show it EVERY time you raise your wrist?
Is the user using Siri to request the password?
 
Right now, there's no reason to buy one, especially when the required to use iPhone is in your pocket less than 2 feet away. Unless you're so incredibly lazy you can't be bothered to get up from your desk and go get it from the charger (assuming your charger is not on your desk).

Early adopters are great to try out new technology. The mainstream average "I want an iPhone because my friends all have iPhones" user won't buy one for a few years yet.

Just because you can't see a reason to buy one doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Also, if I were you, I'd be thanking early adopters instead of addressing them in a smug tone by insinuating that they're "incredibly lazy". It's their vision, enthusiasm and faith in the latest technology that makes it possible for the "average user" including yourself to enjoy cool gadgets like the iPod, iPhone, iPad and soon, Apple Watch.
 
IKR?!?!

Why would I want a TV remote when I can just walk over to the TV and change the channel? Lazy!

Why would I need a TiVo/DVR when I have a perfectly good VCR? Dumb!

Why would I need a microwave when I have an awesome oven? Lazy!

Why would I even need an oven when I can make a fire just fine? No fire-making skills!

Why would I need a *remote* garage door opener when I can get out of my car and just open the garage? I don't care if it's raining! Lazy!

Why do I need a cell phone when there are payphones on every corner??? Duh!

Lazy Lazy Lazy Lazy Dumb people!!!

PS> AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Brilliant.

Thanks!

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Not when your hands are full or you actually keep your phone inside a purse, a zippered purse.
The poster you quoted thinks his/her use case applies to everyone.

They have a clear case of not thinking outside of their limited scope.
 
Sadly these are all things one is able to do *right now* by simply opening up their 1password application on their iPhone.

I check the time 30 to 50 times a day. I own an iPhone 6 Plus. Pulling out a phone that nearly needs two hands to properly handle out of my pocket 30 to 50 times a day is not easier than glancing at my wrist.

Now, add in the other micro interactions that occur throughout the day that require no more than a quick glance or Siri voice command. Pulling out my phone another 30-50 times a day for those as well.

The times that I actually need a large screen? Maybe less than 10 times a day. Reading long articles, engaging in long iMessage sessions, organizing my day's To Dos, watching videos, taking pictures, etc certainly require a phone but all the other micro interactions are far more convenient on a wrist.

You will end up being another one of those people who said that smartphones weren't necessary because you could do all the same things on your laptop but better. I mean, who wants to look at websites on a small phone screen? Who wants to tap away on a screen to write emails?

When you have a wrist worn computer in a few years, you're going to want us to forget what you said. Either that or you're still carrying around a flip phone to protect your ego.
 
Thanks guys!!

Well, thanks very much for your help guys!!:)

As someone else mentioned already, Safari's Keychain integration does not work for all websites, and that's not a fault of Safari... some websites deliberately build their username/password forms to prevent auto-fill from working.

I use iCloud Keychain extensively. It's my preferred solution for password management. But I also have 1Password set up for those few sites where I want to quickly fill a form that isn't supported by the browser auto-fill.

Thanks Jobs that Safari 8.0.5 finally fixed the auto-fill behaviour for local sites that I've set up (using a non-standard .dev top-level domain). Prior versions of Safari 8.x were broken in this respect.

Safari keychain doesn't prompt to fill passwords on many websites plus it doesn't work for apps, android, or windows. You are better off using something like 1password in addition to safari keychain

To an extent, yes. But a dedicated password app is going to be 1.) more full featured (secure notes, IDs, 2 factor authentication capability, password/touch ID protected, etc) and 2.) have functionality outside of Apple's apps.
 
I currently use LastPass but I'd really like to try out 1Password. Their interface and Mac support looks awesome. Unfortunately, their licensing model looks confusing and prohibitively expensive. Their password sharing model also looks confusing.

A primary requirement I have is that I need my passwords from any device. At home I have 2 Macs and a Windows thing. At work I have a couple of Windows boxes as well. I also go to my parent's place and use their computer as well. I've also got a bunch of iOS devices. It sounds like I've got to buy a license for all these devices. And it looks like if I were being legit about things, I'd have to buy 7 licenses. Maybe I could get by with a single Mac and PC license and share those between the devices, but I don't know if that's possible. The website didn't have obvious answers to these questions.

Then there's the issue of my rest of my family using 1Password on the same devices. I don't know if they need licenses. And then there's the issue of sharing the password between these devices. There's all this talk on the website about using Dropbox to share password and then there's other talk of using iCloud. Then there's the issue of upgrades. Apparently every (major) upgrade costs something. Grrrrr....

LastPass's model seems much simpler to follow (free browser plugin + optional yearly premium subscription) covers all my devices. Everything is cloud-synced. The interface is clunky, but manageable.

Maybe there's some "easy" button on the 1Password website I missed?


Hi there!

Unfortunately, their licensing model looks confusing and prohibitively expensive. Their password sharing model also looks confusing.

The licensing model is pretty straight forward actually. The desktop version is per user, per platform. Buy the Mac license, you can use it on any number of Macs you have. Buy the Windows license, you can use it on any number of Windows computers you have. The per user part is the limiting factor. You can use it with up to 6 family members in the same household. Your spouse, your kids, they can all use the same license as you so long as they live in the same house. It's not for business use though.

iOS (and MAS) follows the typical Apple model of licensing. You buy an app and it can be used by any device on the same AppleID. In the iOS case the application is free, with in-app purchase for more advanced features. Family sharing cannot be used for in-app purchases (Apple limitation) but can be used for the MAS version of the application.

The password sharing model is, admittedly, a little more complicated. The general scenario is you want a vault for yourself, so we create a primary vault to start with. Then you want to share some items with another person. We allow you to create a secondary vault (several if you wish) and you can then sync this vault to Dropbox and either via the same Dropbox account or via a Shared Dropbox folder you can share that vault with someone else. They simply open it and type in the master password and you're now sharing the data in that vault.

LastPass uses a hosted solution, so they hold your data. This does make some of the sharing features a little easier but it's because they control the data. 1Password does not hold your data so we are a bit limited by how we can do this. We're trying to give you control of the data so you know where it is and why it's there. We don't do anything the user doesn't ask us to do first, so by default no vaults sync and only upon you telling the application to sync data is that done. The control is in your hands as a result.

It's just a different way of handling things, some people will want that control and knowing that the data is in their hands. Others won't care but we feel it's important to have options like this.

In your case you'd need to buy a Mac and Windows license, and if you need the Pro features the Pro in-app purchase on the iOS side.

Since you're using Windows, Dropbox is the sync method that would work across all platforms. So, that makes it simple you can just buy the Mac and Windows license bundle from our site, that'll cover you, your family and any Mac and Windows computer that you and your family use. Please note that due to limitations with iCloud sync, only the Mac App Store version (and iOS) can sync to iCloud. Windows cannot and our website version of the Mac app cannot.

For iOS, you'd have to determine who needs Pro features and whether or not the AppleID is shared to see how many copies of the Pro features you'd need. You'd have to buy a copy for each AppleID that needs access to the Pro features.

Sharing would be a simple matter of creating a second vault, copy your items to it (Item->Share->Vault Name and copy or move it) then setup sync for that vault to Dropbox, share the folder in Dropbox or use the same Dropbox folder.

Let me know if that helps or if you have any other questions. Probably best to simply Private Message me since we're a bit off topic for this particular discussion.

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It's a little confusing as to how 1password would work to allow you to simply raise your wrist to see the password.
Does it use the phone's GPS to identify your location, and you configure the specific login/password to only display when you're in the area?
Will it show it EVERY time you raise your wrist?
Is the user using Siri to request the password?

It's an app, so you'd run the app on your Watch and you can view select items you chose to sync with the Watch. For me the big use case is seeing garage door codes, one time passwords for sites like my gmail account or github account or similar, pin codes for debit cards, etc.

Hope that helps explain things in a little more detail.
 
I check the time 30 to 50 times a day. I own an iPhone 6 Plus. Pulling out a phone that nearly needs two hands to properly handle out of my pocket 30 to 50 times a day is not easier than glancing at my wrist.

Now, add in the other micro interactions that occur throughout the day that require no more than a quick glance or Siri voice command. Pulling out my phone another 30-50 times a day for those as well.

The times that I actually need a large screen? Maybe less than 10 times a day. Reading long articles, engaging in long iMessage sessions, organizing my day's To Dos, watching videos, taking pictures, etc certainly require a phone but all the other micro interactions are far more convenient on a wrist.

You will end up being another one of those people who said that smartphones weren't necessary because you could do all the same things on your laptop but better. I mean, who wants to look at websites on a small phone screen? Who wants to tap away on a screen to write emails?

When you have a wrist worn computer in a few years, you're going to want us to forget what you said. Either that or you're still carrying around a flip phone to protect your ego.

Can you also tell me what numbers to pick on my lottery ticket this weekend?
 
Can you also tell me what numbers to pick on my lottery ticket this weekend?

Well, I have been known to predict the future on this forum:

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https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10037986#post10037986

They still haven't renamed iTunes and it does so much more than music now. What makes you think they would change their OS name?

Nah, not going to happen. Whats the purpose of renaming the OS, its not like the OS is the star of the party. Apple likes to keep the innards shielded away from the user as much as possible, to that end, they're not concerned about the OS name. Heck most people don't care about it.

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

Cisco's OS for their routers is called IOS. So doubt it.

Apple has spent a lot of money building up the iPhone brand. It is well-known and therefore valuable. I don't think they'll try to build a new OS brand any more than I think they'll abandon OS X.

This is crazy. I don't think apple would change the name of the OS for the iPhone. This would be like microsoft not calling it's Desktop OS Windows anymore. Or even like google dropping the Android name and calling it something stupid like Cyborg.

I doubt they rename it right now. It's not like the term iphone OS is used much anyway outside of keynotes. iTunes was never changed to respond to it organizing tv shows and movies.

When I first saw this thread days ago...my intention was to flame the OP. But I held my tongue and good thing! Good call Pedro!

Hats off to iPedro! Nice work.:)

nice call! didn't see this one coming haha

Way to go iPedro! You should get a special avatar from Macrumors for your predictions!

! ipedro is actually steve jobs :D
 
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