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1Password Will Support Passkeys Starting in Early 2023
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I have. It uses more resources than iCloud Keychain in every sense of the word. Sure it’s a few % of the CPU but it’s a few more than iCloud keychain
I accept your argument . I think there is a misunderstanding. They have no TouchID/pin lock , but I believe there is a password lock as in your have to retype your password each time to open the app (all password managers have password locks as their main lock) .
I agree its a bit sleazy way to push people to pay for the app for such a basic and necessary function but their lifetime license option is not bad at all.
I fail to see what you are trying to say? All these companies, including 1password, grew rich by selling licensed software. Only when people connected online, had online payments setup, with devices 24/7 connected , suddenly the license model is not sustainable for the developer. I can tell you that up until like 2010 rental software was not the dominant way to sell apps.
If we keep signing up for rental software thats where everyone else will be heading. Why wait for it to be our only option?
I choose to be proactive and fight right now. Buy licensed apps and boycott rental apps.
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Could you please explain to me how does AlSoft have been selling license (they have NO rental option) since 1987 and still in business? Their app is like the least popular app and macos only not multiplatform.
There is also CarbonCopyCloner that have no rental options, sells MacOS only, and have been flourishing for like 15 years. I do not even buy their upgrades because I need the features but out of support for their great software and ethical business behaviour.
I have a lot of examples to prove you wrong.
No one asked for forever upgrades. We asked for non-rental options.
Its fair to sell a software and not give any upgrades or updates for it. This is how it used to be. I think out of decency a company should release at least bug fixes and security fixes for the foreseeable future.
The problem is that 1password pulled out that option and forced subscription only meanwhile strongbox and enpass still have both options for the consumer to choose from.
Going forward I was going to keep buying the updated versions of 1password when I feel the features are worthwhile and those who choose to have the latest bleeding edge features are on the rental plan with constant update. The problem is that 1password pulled out the option for license and kept rental as their only option forcing me and others to migrate to other software.
Agreed that most reputable password managers did not have a password leak, at least I can not find one. But we also to have to agree that a FOSS , self hosted, and free option is indeed a better more secure option. Might not be more convenient but it is more secure since you can see the code and store it in your own computer instead of at the hands of a server admin we do not know the name of some where in the world. Don't you think?
Self hosted options like Bitwarden and NextCloud are thriving. Even if you want convenience, Bitwarden does mostly if not better than what 1password does for free and on FOSS software. Its just not as nice looking and does not have the assistant app which is a must for me.
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It always amazes me that, on this page, you post anything negative about Apple, you are called a troll, hater, etc, usually by the same people that have no problem posting negative posts and out and out lies about anything not Apple. If I find a product useful and even choose to defend them doesn't mean that I work for them. I am just sharing my opinion and providing a counter to the other posters. And, yes I will call out blatant lies when I see them. (P.S. I am not calling you out, specifically, more a generate comment about how posters are treated on this page).
What is the foreseeable future? People on this page are complaining that they are still using version 6 of 1Password and not being supported? Even Apple only supports most versions of their O/S for N-2, or about 3 years. I don't think that is unreasonable.
You don't like subscriptions, fine. Why do you and others feel the need to attack us that find the cost of subscription palatable and a worthwhile cost? You may not like it, but this is where the software industry is going because the cost of maintaining software has changed. You don't send a CD (or a stack of floppies) every 2-3 years for an update. Users now expect new features on a continual basis.
Yes, there are still some developers that can afford to follow the old model. But, for many of them, it becomes a pseudo subscriptions. I still pay every year, but it is called an "upgrade". Sure I can keep the old version running, but it may not be compatible with Apple's latest version of the O/S.
No, I don't think that. The myth that FOSS is somehow more secure, is just that a myth. Ask anyone whose holiday season was ruined last year by the log4j vulnerability. How many thousands (millions) of hours did organizations waste trying to remediate the issue? I was lucky, but I know many people on my team were working on Christmas Day.
The thought is that FOSS is more secure is because the code is open and anyone can review it. But, 99.99999% of the users couldn't read the code if they wanted. Have you PERSONALLY reviewed the code for BitWarden? If not, you are making an assumption that someone else has. Meanwhile, I can point to the security audits that 1Password has submitted their application to.
Regarding storing it locally, sure, you know what is safer, writing my password in a notebook and storing the notebook in a fireproof safe in my house. Not very convenient. If you store it locally, I would hope you have a back-up somewhere? Is that backup in your house? What happens if you lose your devices? Do you lose your passwords?
Yes, local copy is safer, but we all make daily decisions between safety and convenience? Walk versus Drive? Stay home or go to work? I have read the security paper that 1password publishes and I am comfortable that the data is securely encrypted. and even if the servers were breached, my passwords would be safe. Is there a chance they could be decrypted, sure. There is also a chance I will get hit by a meteor or win the lottery today. But the chances are very low.
I am not sure what data you are using to suggest they are "thriving"? MR Forums is NOT a representative sample of users in the world. While BW may be popular with some users, I am not aware of Enterprise usage. However, 1Password is popular in organizations. In fact, at least at one time, Apple was a customer.
Just to be clear, if you like Bitwarden or something else, great. I am not going to try and change your mind. But, I will come and correct the false and misleading statements and provide my opinion that 1password is a great product and well worth the cost.
dramatic much? Really? Evil? Murder is evil. Hitler is evil. But ok.
If Apple and Microsoft don’t support the operating system anymore, why should app developers support the program anymore?
in case you didn’t read this part from my last post, and from your response, you didn’t.
You can use the license for as long as you want.
This is what happens. The OS is what broke the function…. Not 1Password.
I couldn’t agree more, Thank you!
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I got three years of 1Password for half price due to owning version 6. I also got year two completely free because I participated in the 8 betas on multiple platforms and was comped a lot of free months (my bill was actually negative ten dollars, which I hope rolls over to year 3). Might switch in a couple more years, but happy for now since it’s cheap.
KeePass, KeePassX or KeePassXC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeePass
You can add plugins. Use your own cloud solution or NAS.
The same argument must be used for closed source software. So it's reduced to zero. Years of exploiting zero day bugs by hackers before it's fixed. And there are people killed because of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)Proof?
open source doesn’t mean it’s more safer.
"Open Source" Does Not Always Equal "Safe"
On this website, and on many other privacy and security websites, you will find people espousing the gospel of open source technology. Th...blog.thenewoil.org
Open source software security vulnerabilities exist for over four years before detection
From my experience OSS in real life is more secure than closed source. Examples: TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt vs Bitlocker, Windows vs Linux.
There are more people checking vulnerabilites in OSS than programmers working for closed source company.
I have 10 vulnerabilities
1password : Security vulnerabilities, CVEs
Security vulnerabilities related to 1password : List of vulnerabilities affecting any product of this vendor
www.cvedetails.com
1password : Products and vulnerabilities, CVEs
1password products and CVEs, security vulnerabilities, affecting the products with detailed CVSS, EPSS score information and exploits
www.cvedetails.com
"An issue exists in beta versions of the 1Password command-line tool before 0.5.5 and in beta versions of the 1Password SCIM bridge before 0.7.3. An insecure random number generator was used to generate various keys. An attacker with access to the user's encrypted data may be able to perform brute-force calculations of encryption keys and thus succeed at decryption."
"Five widely used password managers have serious flaws, some of which have been publicly known for years, a pair of researchers said in an academic paper published earlier this month. Not all of the flaws have been fixed"
LastPass, 1Password and other password managers can be hacked: What to do now
Multiple password-manager flaws permit password theft
Security slip-ups in 1Password and other password managers 'extremely worrying'
Everything's fine now. Patch. Keep using them. Move along
Was this exploited? How could we know if hackers was quiet about it or the victim didn't know when and how was hacked?
How did construction company who build houses survive without subscription? How about shoemaker?
Me same. If there is no lifetime payment then it doesn't exist for me. I use older, licence model versions or switch to another company or open source software.
Still using old MS Office. For newer formats there is free Libre Office. Plex have lifetime licence.
It's easy to find non subscription alternatives.
You're mentioning utterly different business models so I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's expensive to make and maintain software, I know this for a fact. Paying once and then expecting free updates forever? Fantasy. Paying once every 2-3 years? Not anymore.
The construction company who build houses don’t maintain them, and a house doesn’t need security updates needed by the construction company. A huge difference. New builds will come with a warranty for a few years, but that’s it. You can’t compare this at all. When was the last time a wall of a house needing a security update?
Glad to see Passkey support expanding. Hopefully Bitwarden gain support soon.
Because it's people like you who allow developers to resort to these despicable practices. If more people stood their ground and didn't accept to pay subscriptions for products, this stupid habit wouldn't get any traction.
Subscriptions are perfectly fine for perpetual services. But not for products which, once bought, can function independently without incurring any further costs to the vendor. Charge for upgrades if you will; I'm fine with that.
Charging a perpetual fee for a product is simply callous, and people who accept it are lowering the bar, which will ultimately affect the rest of us as well.
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People like us? I don’t mind the subscription for this at all. I’ve done the math and it’s cheaper for me and my family. They also add new features all the time.
It’s also a great thing I don’t have to keep updating license keys for peoples computers, especially my parents and in-laws.
How is any of that related to the article you are commenting about? Correct, it isn’t.
God, has it become an annoying practice by some to comment on stuff they don’t use anymore or ever have used, as a response to any article.
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So it’s using just a tad more resources and it doesn’t matter in real world applications. Good that we discussed that in an article about Passcodes.
People like us? You mean people that respect hard work and understand that software is always under development. And, horror, the developers would like to paid for their work. Maybe your company should stop paying you and just expect you to continue to do your job?
If you truly believe that products can "function independently", then you should accept ZERO upgrades or bug fixes after purchase. Right? Why do you get the benefit of someone else's hard work without contributing to it? If it breaks due to a change Apple makes in an update? Too bad, you didn't want to pay to get it fixed. Buy a new copy with the bug fixes.
I never said I wanted to get free upgrades. I'd be willing to pay for a new version, if I decide that its new features are something I want or need. But I must be able to use the current version as long as no other external conditions (e.g. a massive change in the operating system) are hindering it.
In fact, a lot of software applications work like this. VueScan, for instance. Or CaptureOne. You pay for a certain version, and perhaps a couple of free updates to that particular version for a limited amount of time. When a new version is out, or the time has expired, you must pay for a new one if you wish. Or you can continue using what you already have for as long as it is practical to do so, if you so wish.
Offering free upgrades indefinitely is a service. Like I said, I have no problem paying a subscription fee for a service.
A certain version of an application is a product. I won't pay a subscription fee for it. Once I bought it, I must be able to use it indefinitely and I don't owe you anything extra for that.
There is nothing "despicable" about subscriptions. The commercial model is not the problem.
I'll walk you through an interesting thought experiment...
Let's say you want to buy the new version of 1Password (whatever version that is) and they are asking 50$ for a perpetual license for 1 user. There are only two possible outcomes, that I think you will find equally valid:
- You think the price they charge is fair and you buy it.
- You think they are asking too much for it and you don't buy it.
Now let's imagine what would happen if the same identical product was sold through a 40$/year subscription. For sure, at least intuitively you're gonna think: "A-ha! It's a trap! These bastards and their greedy subscriptions, I hate subscriptions!".
Why? Because your mind will inevitably make a comparison and tell you that you're gonna be "locked into spending" 40$/year which is almost the same amount of money that you used to spend to own the same product "forever". Your mind compares "40$/year" versus "pay 50$ once and use the product forever".
But what would happen if they asked 4$/year instead of 40$/year? Suddenly you would be cheering the subscription model. Why? Because your mind will (rightly) tell you that you are saving a lot of money with the subscription. When your mind compares "4$/year" versus "50$ pay once and use forever", you're gonna know intuitively that you are getting a better deal with the subscription: basically you're gonna spend the same money to get 12 years of support and updates (and you instinctively know that no software will run for 12 years without support and updates, no matter if your license says that you can use it "forever").
So what does all of this mean? It means that the subscription model is not the problem. The problem is the value proposition: in other words if you think they are asking a fair amount of money for the product they are selling. And as always you get the same two choices:
- You think the price they charge is fair and you buy (or pay a subscription to) it.
- You think they are asking too much for it and you don't buy (or pay a subscription to) it.
So stop blaming the world, clear your mind from all these irrational thoughts and either:
- Earn more money.
- Choose a different (cheaper/free) product.
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Yes, exactly. If Apple breaks it, then I will buy a new licence for an updated version. An updated version which I will be entitled to use for as long as I wish, or until Apple breaks it again.
That's fair.