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Looked. Was hoping there was some type of .pdf file that would require me to get back up on the net.
I am soooo far behind on things, it is unreal!
Sorry, meant this would be the info on using 1Password. http://help.agilebits.com/1Password3/index.html
Sorry but I couldn't find a pdf either.
Sorry but I couldn't find a pdf either.
would 1Password be able to import a wallet database?
Also, where does it say that the upgrade to version 4 iss included on the MAS?
Also, where does it say that the upgrade to version 4 iss included on the MAS?
Looked. Was hoping there was some type of .pdf file that would require me to get back up on the net.
I am soooo far behind on things, it is unreal!
There is no PDF version of a manual. There isn't a whole lot of need for a manual in most cases. The app is pretty easy to use. If you have questions though do let us know via our real support system (http://support.agilebits.com). Providing support here isn't really feasible.
Yes, you can import a Wallet (Acrylic Software). Here is a video:
http://cdn.agilebits.com/kyle/videos/WalletImport.mov
I suggest opening QuickTime, then clicking File->Open Location and pasting that address in. One important note about importing and using that video. You should also check the "Fields are Quoted" option when importing. I seem to have neglected that when I recorded the video.
I thought we had mentioned that there was a free upgrade in the MAS description, but I guess either it was removed or it was never there to begin with. However, from our FAQ:
http://support.agilebits.com/kb/1password-39-for-mac-from-mac-app-store/mac-app-store-faq
Hope that helps!
At the end of my demo, I got an invite to buy the license directly from the Agile store. It said I would get a free upgrade to version 4 if I did this. Can you confirm this is now the case?
In the past, I believe upgrades were only valid for App store purchases. So now there is no reason to buy the sandboxed App store version instead. Do I got this right?
In the past, I believe upgrades were only valid for App store purchases. So now there is no reason to buy the sandboxed App store version instead. Do I got this right?
I think if you read the words carefully it will say that you'll get free updates for the current version. "Up to" but not including version 4.
As of right this moment, only the Mac App Store version is getting a free upgrade. We still haven't made any decision about the website version. It's too early in the process to make that decision.
I hope that helps and hopefully you enjoyed the trial!
The trial was great and it made me a believer.
While you are still deciding, on the invite you might want specify "up to but not including" as it is easy to misinterpret.
So based on this, the conclusion to draw is that the app store version is the better buy since it includes a free upgrade to 4.0 when ready.
While you are still deciding, on the invite you might want specify "up to but not including" as it is easy to misinterpret.
So based on this, the conclusion to draw is that the app store version is the better buy since it includes a free upgrade to 4.0 when ready.
Good to hear!
I don't recall the exact wording of it, but I'm pretty sure it says something like up to the next version or something like that. But yes, it does not include (at this time) an upgrade to version 4.
This is pretty standard for all software applications. While some may not charge for updates most do charge a nominal fee for each major upgrade. We haven't decided how to handle it yet. When we do an announcement will be made on our blog.
http://blog.agilebits.com
Please let us know if we can ever help with questions in the future though
Since it may be faster I'm going to suggest that any questions directed towards me (or AgileBits) be done via our support page:
http://support.agilebits.com
While I can monitor this thread, it may take a day or two to respond. Which may not be convenient for you, our users. But if you submit a request via the support page even if I am not around (days off, weekends, etc) someone else will be able to help you faster.
I'll try to keep an eye on this, but no promises.
How to switch is covered on their website and earlier in this thread.
For me the advantage of the MAS version is this:
-An optional (enabled by default) helper icon in the menu bar is available all the time for locking, unlocking and launching the 1Password application, as well as providing continuous access to a Go & Fill option for saved Login items.
Here is a full list of differences:
http://forum.agilebits.com/index.php?/topic/8068-official-answers-1password-and-the-mac-app-store/
The trial has been great... but not $50 great.
A lot of reviews on the web say it is $40, which is a little bit better, but at some point they jacked the price even higher. I prefer this over lastPass (user experience is much nicer), but I could subscribe to lastPass for 4 years at the same cost (getting the 2 step authentication and iphone app). How did you guys get over the price being so high? Am I missing a killer feature or something? I've installed the addin, it is nice... not as simple as lastPass's addin, though.
The trial has been great... but not $50 great.
How did you guys get over the price being so high? Am I missing a killer feature or something? I've installed the addin, it is nice... not as simple as lastPass's addin, though.
I certainly apologize for the increase in price. I realize it is hard for many people now to pay for more expensive applications when so many are racing towards the bottom in order to gain sales. We feel that 1Password is worth the $50. Particularly in terms of support. We have a full support team that typically responds to most messages in well under 24 hours. Some more difficult questions may take a tad longer, especially on weekends. But we try very hard to make sure our users get the answers they need.
I don't talk about other applications because I honestly don't think its fair for me to say things (good or bad) about them when I work for 1Password. So you'll have to make a decision on that yourself, or with the help of others in this thread.
But I wanted to chime in and at least give my reason for why I feel the $50 is worth it.
Also, please note that if a user paid $50 for 1Password 3 (the current version) they would've gotten nearly 3 years of free upgrades. 1Password 3 was originally released in November of 2009 and we've charged nothing for the upgrades since.
I can't promise 1Password 4 will get the same level of upgrades for free, but based on our history it wouldn't be out of the question. Also, purchasing from the Mac App Store does get you a free upgrade to 1Password 4. So that increases the value of the $50 right there.
I hope that helps in your decision. Please let me know if you have any questions I may be able to answer for you.
Quite a while back 1Password was giving out free licenses. I jumped on this and managed to get a copy for myself. I started to use it but never really started exploring the features until about 2 months ago. I started off slowly, using the website autologin feature, and keeping my passwords there. I then started changing all the passwords to more complex passwords. And just last week ended up putting all of the license information for every application I have into it.
At first I thought it to be a total waste; nothing more then a file vault for passwords. Now that I have started using it for just about everything, I really love the application.
Now, would I pay $50 for it? Donno, hard to say. I'm kinda jaded because I did get it for free. But if I had not spent so much time playing with it and working with it would I still like it as much? Doubtful. But really, would I spend the money on it? I doubt it, well, maybe not at first. I would research all of the other options and then determine what to do from there. I honesty think that $50 is a bit steep for the application; not that I think it isn't worth it, it is. BUT I keep thinking that they could get a lot more users at $19.95 then at $49.95. I look at applications like VMWare Fusion and Parallels, both have upgrades / promos for $49.95 and yet I STILL have a hard time justifying buying them due to the price. Again, great applications, but at the price it makes me stop and think twice about it, am I REALLY going to use the app THAT much? I then think about Pixelmator, I purchased it for $14.95 BY MISTAKE (one too many clicks and not paying attention) and don't regret it for one second. Like the apps listed above, all of them are great, but Pixelmator is by far a better value due to the price point. Even if Pixelmator wasn't as good, wasn't as polished, I would still be happy with the purchase because of the price point.
Now, 1Password4, sounds good, I look forward to hearing some of the details on it and what it is capable of and what the difference will be. BUT if I have to pay $50 for the upgrade to get to v4 over v3; I doubt I'll upgrade. If the upgrade is over $19.95, I'll consider it but not likely buy it until either I can get a discount or I find a good reason to upgrade. If the upgrade is between $10 and $20, I'll seriously consider upgrading but I'll probably wait until I see the reviews and what people think of the new features. $9.99 or less, and I'll switch the day it comes out.
Seems like too many companies don't realize that price is really a sticking point for many people. And economics dictates that selling 10,000 copies at $50 isn't as good as selling 100,000 copies at $20. So far it seems like only Apple (with their cheap OS upgrades) and Valve (Steam sales) has realized the value in getting people to buy instead of sitting on the edge.
Good Luck and keep us up to date on the new version of 1Password. Any idea when it is to hit the market?
I did the research... I'll share my results in hope someone can tell me I'm wrong. =)
1Password has a beautiful user experience. You'll want to use it on a daily basis. It is great at storing most of your digital assets, keeping them organized, and allowing you to find them in seconds. Search, tagging, and the layout of the UI is close to perfect for this type of app.
Web logins are by far the best feature (that I've found). Auto-fill is great. It is NOT as good as lastPass autofill.
So what's missing?
* Keepass type auto-fill for applications that need it. With Keepass (on windows), you can assign crazy passwords for everything, not just web pages. You assign a hotkey for the app, and don't worry about the password.
* iWork integration. I password protect documents, and 1Password barely helps here.
* Non-digital assets. Secure notes are 'ok' for stuff like gmail backup codes, but struggle with much else. Adding attachments to them is really neat, but the UI is just really lacking.
* Access everywhere. People have multiple devices and computers. Passwords should be securely accessible from them all.
* The dropbox integration is good, and will be made better by Dropbox 2 step authentication. 1Password is kind of riding on their coat tails here, and certainly doesn't help the "cost/benefit" analysis.
* The 1PasswordAnywhere seems superb when you first realize you have it... But it is very light on the features. Doesn't even have the quick copy/paste that the main app has. So basically, you really have to buy 1Password for each platform.
* $115 if I really want to use it "in the cloud". ($50 for mac, $50 for pc, $15 for iOS).
* Two Step authentication support. I have no idea what they can do, but as more and more companies move to two step authentication, 1Password becomes less and less valuable. I can have a simpler GMail password (and soon dropbox) and just enable the authenticator.
So here I am... wanting to support 1Password so they don't go the Sparrow route, but spending $50 today doesn't add up atm. I'd much rather spend $20 now, and $20 for 4.0 (if it is a good upgrade).
How or where have you gotten the impression that it isn't as good? I'm genuinely curious here.
There isn't a way to do this on the Mac in a secure way. We'd love to do it but sadly we aren't going to risk other applications obtaining your passwords.
Same drill as above. If Apple doesn't provide a method for us to do this, well, we can't.
Hopefully we can improve this in the future. But right now they're meant to contain text. I put SSH keys in and other types of data in as attachments here. Combined with Tagging you can do all kinds of things with it.
We have Mac, Windows, iPhone, iPad, Android and Windows Phone applications.
The Android and Windows Phone apps are read-only, but they do give you access to the data. Plans for a full Android app are in progress.
Our licensing is based on Per User, Per Device model. Meaning if you have two Macs you only need one license. Each user will need their own license. But I have three Macs, one license works on all three.
The same goes for Windows.
We do not recommend Two Factor Authentication at this time. You can read our blog post here:
http://blog.agilebits.com/2012/08/27/dropbox-two-step-authentication-1password/
The whole point of it is to be a read-only access to your passwords if you need them quickly. It isn't a replacement for the application. Nor will it ever be possible to do so. Technologically it isn't possible to do a lot of things you may expect. It has to run entirely within the browser with no server.
For a single user, $70 will get you Mac and Windows. Add $15 for iPhone and iPad.
$100 for Mac and Windows will get you a Family pack. That's Mac and Windows for 5 users in the same household.
I'm not sure I follow exactly here. Are you requesting that 1Password be protected by two factor authentication or that it should implement a two factor authentication system for other sites?
$50 from the Mac App Store gets you both. Of course, you're welcome to wait until 1Password 4 is released and just buy it then. But as a user for 3 years and an employee for a hair under a year. I have no intention of using anything else, especially after knowing the information about 1Password 4.
Also, I don't think we have any intention of going the way of the Sparrow. I think that would be a real disservice to our users. We're here to help people, not get their money and run. I'm sure the Sparrow folks did what was best for them and that's fine for them. But if you knew our founders you'd know they actually care about our users and really just want to help. They're genuinely doing everything they can to help you folks.
Thanks for the reply and answers. It helped me understand a bit more. My post came off far more negative then it should have btw., 1password is great.
As for the answers to your questions...
* Why I prefer lastpass addin: LastPass autofills the userName and password text fields so you only have to click login. It also has an auto login option. 1Password, as far as I can tell, doesn't populate the fields until you select the entry from the drop down... Edit: ok, i got this all wrong. Apparently all I need to do with press cmd+\ and it just logs me in to the site? I can get used to that I suppose. Wasn't obvious though.
Maybe the issue is that I've disabled all password saving / autofill in my browser? Do you still expect users to have that enabled? I kind of wanted 1Password to just handle it all.
* The 2 step authentication is honestly still confusing to me. Where it helps, where it doesn't help, and what I lose by using it. Thanks for the blog post, that does explain a few things. No, I don't expect 1Password to implement it, but rather provide guidance on how to handle systems that use it. I guess you guys are about to become my authentication/security gurus (which, as you noted above, is one reason for the higher price). Right now, I'm kind of stuck with 3 passwords to remember (master email account/appleId, dropbox, and 1Password). Would be nice to get down to "1" as your name implies we can. =) I'll go poke around the blog section on your web page.
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Thanks for the reply and answers. It helped me understand a bit more. My post came off far more negative then it should have btw., 1password is great.
As for the answers to your questions...
* Why I prefer lastpass addin: LastPass autofills the userName and password text fields so you only have to click login. It also has an auto login option. 1Password, as far as I can tell, doesn't populate the fields until you select the entry from the drop down... Edit: ok, i got this all wrong. Apparently all I need to do with press cmd+\ and it just logs me in to the site? I can get used to that I suppose. Wasn't obvious though.
Maybe the issue is that I've disabled all password saving / autofill in my browser? Do you still expect users to have that enabled? I kind of wanted 1Password to just handle it all.
* The 2 step authentication is honestly still confusing to me. Where it helps, where it doesn't help, and what I lose by using it. Thanks for the blog post, that does explain a few things. No, I don't expect 1Password to implement it, but rather provide guidance on how to handle systems that use it. I guess you guys are about to become my authentication/security gurus (which, as you noted above, is one reason for the higher price). Right now, I'm kind of stuck with 3 passwords to remember (master email account/appleId, dropbox, and 1Password). Would be nice to get down to "1" as your name implies we can. =) I'll go poke around the blog section on your web page.
No worries at all. I didn't take it to sound harsh at all. I was just doing what I could to help clarify where I could and understand where I needed to.
Correct about the extension. You do have to either
A) Click the extension and select a login
B) Use the keyboard shortcut CMD + \
The shortcut will select the best match (if there is one. if there are two it presents the list and lets you select.
Auto Save just asks to save new usernames and passwords you've entered. We don't allow auto-entering. We assume users would rather input the data when they tell it to rather than us attempting to fill things for them. It's like walking up to a cash register and the cashier putting their hands in your wallet looking for money.
Now that isn't to say we won't make this optional, but at this time we haven't found a way that doesn't feel like it cheapens things. I know its been discussed but I don't believe there is any current plans to include it (yet. we never say never).
For the two factor authentication. I'd suggest keeping an eye on our blog. I believe Jeff (Our Chief Defender Against the Dark Arts) will have plenty to say about two factor authentication. You can see a past article about implementing two factor authentication into 1Password (as a secondary way to unlock 1Password) here:
http://blog.agilebits.com/2011/09/23/two-factor-or-not-two-factor/
As for using two factor authentication on other sites. We have two "submit" options. One is that we will fill and then submit a login. The other is we just fill and you submit manually. For two factor authentication where it asks you to do both on the same page, setting it to manual will let you enter the auth token before submitting.
Definitely look at our blog though. Jeff has written some really great articles and he's always looking for more to write about. So if you have suggestions let me know and I'll pass them along.
I use 1Password, and I like it, but I'm in the same "got a free license once upon a time" boat as another user here, and I'm finding it hard to justify the cost to continue using it. I'm rubbed wrong by the fact that I bought 1Password on iOS, only to have it split into several apps, with a Pro version created, leaving me to either pay for a separate, non-universal app or buy the Pro version that replicates functionality I already have. The price is also outrageous in my opinion for the functionality. For $49.99 I can purchase an upgrade for VMWare Fusion and run an OS inside an OS, while it also costs $50 to upgrade what really at the end of the day is a (don't get me wrong, highly user friendly) secure database. That and the fact that no matter what I try on the Agilebits site, I can't retrieve my license, so should my machines go down, I'm screwed. So, I hate to say it, but I'll probably be looking for an alternative soon.
If you're having trouble retrieving your license, best to contact us at the support page. We'll take a look and see if we can find it.
Address is in my signature.
This is very common in online banking in Europe. Random letter choosing plus a token code
Unfortunately my bank account is not big enough to influence bank security mechanisms
Exactly!!
I haven't really tried 1Password but am pretty much convinced from reading around so will get it but I have a question which seems to be answered but I want to doublecheck
Say I have 2 laptops (work PC and personal Mac) and I regularly use them to access the same site which requires a password (let's take MAcRumours as an example). Does one license of 1Password work in this case? I guess this means storing the passwords in the cloud (?) somehow?
thanks!
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This is an excellent point. If a full OS costs 19.99 USD it is difficult to justify an app at 50 USD even if it is a good, solid app....
As the other poster mentioned - there are many very robust applications that cost in excess of what you paid for the operating system.
Lightroom, Photoshop, aperture, FCPX. The list goes on and on. if a developer puts a lot of time effort into is product and produces an excellent polished app, should he not be allowed to charge what he thinks is fair for the product, including the overhead needed for support.
I think the price for 1Password is fair and just. If you don't, that's your business but to state that its not worth it because the OS cost 19.99 is not logical.
seriously comparing those products
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where have I stated this? Please read my previous post - where I said I was going to get it....
I said it is difficult to justify - I never said impossible to justify, not worth it or anything else.
I maintain my statement that I need to justify the purchase as I don't buy on impulse and I maintain that it looks like a solid app.
Who said personal justifications had to be logical
Understood but it seemed wrong to make decide that its not worth buying it because the purchase price was higher then what you paid for the operating system and I think that's the wrong approach.
Whether you find the product's functions worth the price is up to you.
A thing I like to point out is that over the life of 1Password 3, the $50 cost spread across three years is around $16-17 a year. We released 1Password 3 in November of 2009. We're approaching 3 years old for the current version and during that time all updates were free.
Now, Apple is on a yearly release cycle. $20 per year comes out to $60 for three years. 1Password was $50. Also, it's in Apple's interest to release updates. This helps sell new computers. Therefore a lower price is going to help them sell more systems and more apps on the app store and get more developers and more users. It's sort of like selling the console at a loss so as to make up money in other ways. (Don't read into that and think OS X is a loss leader like console hardware, but the motivation for lower prices is).
VMWare is also on a yearly release cycle. Last year was Lion support, that was $50. This year it's Mountain Lion support and that was $50. Add up the costs and you'll see 1Password isn't bad at all.
The application protects your sensitive data. If someone got ahold of your banking passwords, how much would that cost you in time and money? I just googled "cost to repair identity theft" and seen the average was around $1500. Is $50 worth it to help protect against this? Never mind the conveniences 1Password gives you
Just food for thought.