1st Ever Dualcore Athlon 64 X2 Benchmarks...Watch out G5

[Mord]

Here's your truth why Apple is getting shafted by IBM on the G5's it's because of you fave software company M$. IBM is putting so much of it's resources into the Xbox 2 and also Cell that's it's streached thin for R&D on the G5. Let's face it the PPC970 was never created for the sole purpose of Apple , there is no real profit in it for IBM with Apple having almost no marketshare. Think about it boys why would IBM spend 3 billion on the fish kills fab plant and R&D to make the PPC 970 just to bail Apples ass out of the hole Motorolla left them in. What's in it for IBM.

That stuff was all IBM and M$ because they are the BIG buyer of PPC970's not Apple and not for just IBM's Blade Servers. Apple was simply the benificiary of a side deal they cut with IBM. Right place Right time.

the xbox 2 wont use a G5 yet again you talk FUD, if you bother to do some reseach it uses a triple core powerpc varient, which shares a 1MB L2 cache and has 32KB instruction and 32KB data L1 cache per core, also it can only handle two instructions per clock cycle (per core) wildly less than the G5, also it wont have altivec in it, the reason the G5 was used as a beta kit was because it can run xbox 2 code, it dose not mean it uses the same chip, the xbox 2 cpu is more like a cut down triple core 64bit G3.

 

[Timelessblur]

seeing as the athlon has on board memory controllers as shown here http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=1982&p=3 the FSB is between the cpu and another part of the cpu apart from IO which a 1GHz HTT is ample for even huge RAID arrays, having dual core CPU's as i said makes it a tad faster as the cpu's can communicate with each other making use of each others resources when needed.

the athlon has a superb design for an x86 chip, believe me my hat is off for them but this is by no means the end of apple as we know it. when all you have to go on is a benchmark which is beaten by a current G5 against unreleased AMD hardware. which we do not yet know the price or performance in other areas than cinebench.

more so the FSB on the AMD boreds still is at 200 mhz. The memory controler is what is integreated and runs at an equilenctly number for 1ghz-1.6 ghz FSB number that is reported by intel. The FSB number is taken from diffent location on each manufacter. the on on AMD just happens to be the one that connects the ram to the CPU. Dual CPU has 2 of these single CPU only has one.

If I could screen shot my BIOS I would show you but that requires rebooting and me digging out my camra. I did attach a shot of CPU-Z of my CPU which is only a AMD 64 3000+ but it does show the general idea. Overclocking the computer would come from upping the HT (Bus speed) on the computer. I dont have the windows side over clocking program currently on my computer other wise I would do it. I dont want to reboot my computer just go into the Bios to over clock it. then Restarted it again to go back to stock.

 

[Mav451]

Timeless, you of all people (I would expect) to be using ClockGen. Stop hiding your overclocking results, and freakin post them.

 

[jiggie2g]

Look here:

http://news.com.com/Dual-core+desktops+hit+the+market/2100-1042_3-5675050.html?tag=nefd.pop

I guess you got that one wrong.

And here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1396269#post1396269

Oh no, not again!

G5 PMs currently have a very good price/performance comparison to the new x86 dual core systems.

Well no ones was talking about Opterons , thats a whole other level. As for the Pentium EE 840 is an overpriced and overrated POS. It got destroyed by the 4800+ . I would never buy the over priced Dell XPS desktop. If you want a gaming rig go to a real gaming builder like Alienware. Dell Desktops are trash , I would only buy thier LCD's or a notebook because I like the Penitum M and Dell has those crazy 34% off sales.Just to make it clear when I speak of Dualcore I am talkin Athlon 64 or Pentium D

 

[840quadra]

What 5 Points on Cinebench , you guys are really petty. Not to mention that the G5 is clocked 2.5ghz vs. 2.4ghz , the G5 also has a 1.25ghz FSB vs. 1ghz. Not making excuses but i call this a virtual tie as 5 point out of over 640 is with in the margin of error for most benchmark, meaning when the numbers are that close the results will vary from test to test. I bet if the guy running the test put some OCZ or Corsair 2-2-2-5 DDR3200 ram it would bump that Athlon another 15-20 points.

Petty?

Coming onto a Macintosh related webiste forum, posting "Watch out G5" and replies like this previous is considered equally "petty". Forum posturing is a pointless waste of time. I moderate Car forums, and this post reminds me of WRX v.s. STI debates that constantly get closed on our forum.

Each side of this debate have valid points. There are faster processors then the G5, and the Opetron is a seperate League. Dual core or not, a Macintosh will do better for some, and an AMD system will do better for others. Just let it be people.

 

[Timelessblur]

Timeless, you of all people (I would expect) to be using ClockGen. Stop hiding your overclocking results, and freakin post them.

As odd as it sounds I dont over clock. I have taken my CPU to 2.3 ghz air cooled and stable but I never really push it past that. 2.4 freeze my computer and I think I would have to increase my Voltage to do that. Not something I really feel safe doing. I used to have clockgen but I never redownload it when I reformated a few weeks ago. It was in a folder I did appernettly forgot to back up. Plus I dont like to overclock unless I have a temp monitor program running
Beside clockgen overclock only last until the next reboot. If I going to over clock would much rather do it from the BIOS. Clockgen is good for testing some and pushing it a little but the best way to over clock is do it from in the bios
I only really ran the CPU at it stock speed. Plus the fact that my mobo lacks a pci bus lock makes me not really want to over clock since have that part over clock risk getting my hard drive corrupted.

 

[jiggie2g]

Petty?

Coming onto a Macintosh related webiste forum, posting "Watch out G5" and replies like this previous is considered equally "petty". Forum posturing is a pointless waste of time. I moderate Car forums, and this post reminds me of WRX v.s. STI debates that constantly get closed on our forum.

Each side of this debate have valid points. There are faster processors then the G5, and the Opetron is a seperate League. Dual core or not, a Macintosh will do better for some, and an AMD system will do better for others. Just let it be people.

I think you ment Evo vs. STI , cuz as we know a regular WRX will get hammered by an STI , But i get thie Idea.

 

[Mav451]

Oh, sounds like you got one of those early revision KT800's...yuck sandwich. Ok, well that makes sense then, that you aren't OCing.

 

[daveL]

Well no ones was talking about Opterons , thats a whole other level. As for the Pentium EE 840 is an overpriced and overrated POS. It got destroyed by the 4800+ . I would never buy the over priced Dell XPS desktop. If you want a gaming rig go to a real gaming builder like Alienware. Dell Desktops are trash , I would only buy thier LCD's or a notebook because I like the Penitum M and Dell has those crazy 34% off sales.Just to make it clear when I speak of Dualcore I am talkin Athlon 64 or Pentium D

Sorry, the Opteron is the AMD solution for 64-bit dual CPU configuration. The high-end Athlon64 FX are not spec'ed for anything but a single processor system. Dual Opterons completes directly with DP G5 PMs.

So now the DC Intels are a POS. My how your tune has changed. Oh, and Dell desktops are trash. OK. Unfortunately, it's the Dell price that everyone compares Apple to when they say (incorrectly) that Mac are more expensive.

 

[Timelessblur]

Oh, sounds like you got one of those early revision KT800's...yuck sandwich. Ok, well that makes sense then, that you aren't OCing.

yeah I got it before ASUS started selling the nVidia chip set (when the nVida one came out the KT800 by ASUS was pulled.) Back when I built the computer over the summer the nVidia chip sets suck or where not out yet.

 

[jiggie2g]

Sorry, the Opteron is the AMD solution for 64-bit dual CPU configuration. The high-end Athlon64 FX are not spec'ed for anything but a single processor system. Dual Opterons completes directly with DP G5 PMs.

So now the DC Intels are a POS. My how your tune has changed. Oh, and Dell desktops are trash. OK. Unfortunately, it's the Dell price that everyone compares Apple to when they say (incorrectly) that Mac are more expensive.

How has my tune changed , you will nver hear me sing praises of Intel except for Pentium M's because it's a great chip and I will give Chipzilla credit for it. Now b4 you went and decided that you wanted to open your trap to say something stupid maybe you should have read the title of this forum ,my 1st post and the links left in that post showing benchmarks for the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ not Opterons.

Yea Opterons are great but I can't afford them and neither can most of the poor bastards that come to this forum , just like most of us can't affor a shiny new dual 2.5ghz G5 just so we can play Doom 3 or WOW. Guys like me Love AMD because they give you a whole lot of performance for a very reasonable price and we OC the crap outta our chips to maximize the most performance for our money.

Regular Joe's like me don't have Ritch Daddys who pay for everything , we have real jobs with real bills and cannot blow $3000(car down payment money) on a G5 just to surt the web. If your a Video , Graphics , Music Pro fine the Computer will pay for itself over time but from alot of post most people here don't seem to be anything but professional arseholes.Even if I had the 3k to blow I sure wouldn't spend it on a G5(with a crappy AGP card , low ram , small hard drive. $3K better get me 1GB ram ,SLI ,and 300GB HD) I'd sooner use that money for a car or HDTV.

 

[840quadra]

I think you ment Evo vs. STI , cuz as we know a regular WRX will get hammered by an STI , But i get thie Idea.

Nope I mean STI and WRX.

In Minnesota there are quite a few highly modded WRX, and STI Subarus driving around. The owners of such cars tend to do more forum battles. They also refuse to take the battles to the track, as opposed to the street. One such street race resulted in a death on a busy section of 94 in Minneapolis.

840

 

[Mord]

the opteron is basically the same thing as the athlon but with SMP cabability and an extra pin to stop someone from athlon to an athlon to an an opteron much like what happened with the athlon XP –> athlon MP mods.


and as annother poster mentioned the opteron is the real G5 competition, seeing as the single athlon gets hammered by a dual and now the new dual core and now the new dual core athlon still gets beaten by the g5 because of it's lower clock speed, and a single Vs single at the same clock speed is about the same.

oh and after doing some research dual core AMD chips share a memory controller i was mistaken.