Price/performance.. No one quoted them a good price and they weren't available in large quantities at that point.
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2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?
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And here is my 2 cents... Apple should develop its own word processor, but develop an open standard document format. Perhaps they could start with something like LaTex, troff, or RTF, re-map it to an XML format, and make some basic extensions. The goal is to eventually create something like the W3C for documents.
While MS still has a strong hold in the US, government all over the rest of the world are taking active measures to discourage the MS lock-in. Most countries are embracing the phrase "open source", but I can also see these countries embracing an "open standard" file format as well.
Safari was a great example to follow. Apple's next generation MacWord should be lean, efficient, and as open-standards compliant as possible.
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The crazy look on his face would be because of the hernia he gave himself putting it up on the stage...
Maybe the heatsink would be detachable, Jobs would say, "and now, we've included a revolutionary functionality to better reach the metalworker market, I would like to introduce the iAnvil." And his presentation could use that Keynote Drop build so that the iAnvil falls onto the screen to crush an Inspiron...
... I am so looking forward to MWSF!
The crazy look on his face would be because of the hernia he gave himself putting it up on the stage...
Maybe the heatsink would be detachable, Jobs would say, "and now, we've included a revolutionary functionality to better reach the metalworker market, I would like to introduce the iAnvil." And his presentation could use that Keynote Drop build so that the iAnvil falls onto the screen to crush an Inspiron...
... I am so looking forward to MWSF!
They should have compared microsoft word on the athlon vs preview on a dual G5...both optimised for each system. G5 would slaughter it and as for premier and final cut lol
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I have Word on both the family PC (athlon 1800) and the my 900mhz iBook. Word is almost instant on the iBook under 10.3, much faster than under XP.
Originally posted by ~Shard~
Interesting, this is the first I've heard of this. For some reason, I remember hearing that Office X actually worked better on the Mac than the PC, so there was a sense of irony that a MS product worked better in a non-Windows environment!
But, if that's the case, then I guess that's the way it is. You learn something new everyday on these forums!
I have Word on both the family PC (athlon 1800) and the my 900mhz iBook. Word is almost instant on the iBook under 10.3, much faster than under XP.
I just hope they'll introduce something like the cube
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2.2,2.4,2.6 is nice, but it will be quite costly.
the lower end is all with integrated monitor, which is completely uninteresting for me....
I'd like to buy a cheap apple desktop, but there is none.
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2.2,2.4,2.6 is nice, but it will be quite costly.
the lower end is all with integrated monitor, which is completely uninteresting for me....
I'd like to buy a cheap apple desktop, but there is none.
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M5? I'm waiting for a cheap Z8...
Originally posted by daveL
I'd like to buy a cheap BMW M5, but there is none
M5? I'm waiting for a cheap Z8...
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Heh heh - fair enough, that's what I meant to say.
Heh heh - fair enough, that's what I meant to say.
Opterons aren't as great in terms of raw floating point power too, at least compared to the PPC970, so more processors would have been needed. At 2GHz the PPC970 can do 8 GigaFLOPs theoretically and the Opteron does 6. Opterons had also had 2 extra months to ramp up so production carried both ways.
Hmm, los alamos chose the opterons over the 2ghz ppc970; heres the link:
http://www.eweek.com/print_article/0,3048,a=49052,00.asp
Any reason why?
I hope the prices are lower than this (ie they stay pretty much the same or even drop a little) but I like your prediction processor-wise.
I think that the trends show that apple will most likely move to an all DP lineup in 2004... They may offer a SP 2Ghz for the value customers though, and make it a 4-version lineup.
Did everyone see that Apple is offering refurb G5's for sale? This means that they are clearing out excess stocks in preperation for the new models....hehehe
Did everyone see that Apple is offering refurb G5's for sale? This means that they are clearing out excess stocks in preperation for the new models....hehehe
Note that's 2800 Opterons as opposed to the 17.6 teraflop peak of the 2200 PPC970s. An opteron at an equal clock will never beat out a PPC 970 at an equal clock speed in floating point ops per second until the processor is revised, it simply doesn't have the capability. I also wouldn't count on Opterons scaling a whole lot faster than PPC970s either given they should scale around the same rate.
In fact I was also incorrect and the Opterons only do 2 flops per clock. The only other microprocessors that can obtain that sort of peak operation per clock cycle (4 flops/cycle) are the Itanium or POWER4/5 series.
For reference the system is number 6 here.
The reason I increased the prices on the high end, is because it follows the pattern I have seen from Apple the last 6 years. Every other update increases and decreases. The first batch of G5 was priced lower, with the exception of the low end. This was done to move more high end machines in a weaker economy.
Things have turned around a little and Apple can risk rasing prices on the 2nd rev.
I bought a G3 233mhz in 1997 for $1999. In January 1998 I believe it went up to 300mhz and it was $1699.
Also be aware though, that the processors are becoming cheaper to produce, and so the cost of production will go down. The R&D cost has already been paid for the most part, so the main cost of speed-bumped machines at this point is manufacturing costs.
Not to mention Apple probably bumped up the prices due to supply/demand rather than anything else. The demand for the 2Ghz was so high, they could charge more because the market would bear it. (and IBM was probably charging a little more on the batch because of the supply/demand problem as well).
Not to mention Apple probably bumped up the prices due to supply/demand rather than anything else. The demand for the 2Ghz was so high, they could charge more because the market would bear it. (and IBM was probably charging a little more on the batch because of the supply/demand problem as well).
I think a 17inch pb G5 would be more realistic at this time. The powerbooks have had equal or better prossecors than the imacs and more people want a g5 pb than a g5 imac.
They wont make a 17" g5 PB without changing thre other two to G5 at the same time, it does not make any sense.
Anyways i think the 2ghz will be thrown in the xserve and the other three will be used for the PM. We will probablty see a PB G5 or iMac G5 at WWDC. Of course there is always the chance that a new not existing yet product could be released
I guess this means i'll have to tell my dad to hold of his purchase for a few months. A 2*2.6ghz PM would be sopo kick A@$
There are currently too many heat issues with the G5 to get it into a laptop. Apple has been reportedly working on a liquid-cooling technology for work with the G5, but I wouldnt expect that kind of R&D to be done in time for MWSF. I'm betting well see the new desktops in January, followed by G5 Powerbooks in late spring.
is everyone here clueless?
Don't you all know that "liquid cooling technology" is really old hat, and already in widespread use on laptops?
My 2001 vintage Compaq M700 uses liquid-cooled heatpipes on its 700 MHz Pentium III mobile chip. My new Dell Centrino 1.7 GHz has liquid-cooled heatpipes on the Pentium M 1.7 GHz chip.
Photos of the Powermac G5 show liquid-cooled heatpipes on the chips on the bottom of the mobo.
"Liquid cooling" is really run-of-the-mill mid-90's technology that is widely used.
Apple could do a portable G5 anytime - they'd just have to shut the whiners up. "If you want battery life - get the Powerbook G4, if you want the fastest portable Mac, and battery life is not your highest priority - get a Powerbook G5".
Very simple - there's a tradeoff. Choose battery life or power. Simple. Obvious. Get over it.
Guess the problem is that Apple is not a pro-choice company.... (Try choosing a five-button mouse at the Apple store!)
Don't you all know that "liquid cooling technology" is really old hat, and already in widespread use on laptops?
My 2001 vintage Compaq M700 uses liquid-cooled heatpipes on its 700 MHz Pentium III mobile chip. My new Dell Centrino 1.7 GHz has liquid-cooled heatpipes on the Pentium M 1.7 GHz chip.
Photos of the Powermac G5 show liquid-cooled heatpipes on the chips on the bottom of the mobo.
"Liquid cooling" is really run-of-the-mill mid-90's technology that is widely used.
Apple could do a portable G5 anytime - they'd just have to shut the whiners up. "If you want battery life - get the Powerbook G4, if you want the fastest portable Mac, and battery life is not your highest priority - get a Powerbook G5".
Very simple - there's a tradeoff. Choose battery life or power. Simple. Obvious. Get over it.
Guess the problem is that Apple is not a pro-choice company.... (Try choosing a five-button mouse at the Apple store!)
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