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2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?
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I disagree
Seriosly i think you make a good point lots of people (me included reeally need to be a little more nice)
I think the recent speed bump of the mid line and price drop for the low end really opens it up for annother model.
maybe something like this:
sp 1.6 -> sp 2.0 1800
-> sp 2.2 2000
OR
->mp 2.2 2200
mp 1.8 -> mp 2.4 2500
mp 2.0 -> mp 2.6 2999
^my dream machine
well my 450 cube looks really cool
maybe something like this:
sp 1.6 -> sp 2.0 1800
-> sp 2.2 2000
OR
->mp 2.2 2200
mp 1.8 -> mp 2.4 2500
mp 2.0 -> mp 2.6 2999
^my dream machine
well my 450 cube looks really cool
Actually the move provides for a number of possibilities. One would be an enlarged cache. Another would be additional power management circuitry. There is no reason to believe that reduced power is the only goal, they could possibly increase performance.
If Apple is honest in saying that the Ibook won't see a G5 anytime soon then it is possible to say that maybe the goal of this new chip was more than just reduced operating power. Performance could be part of the equation. A very likely one considering Apples desire to go after certain markets.
Dave
If Apple is honest in saying that the Ibook won't see a G5 anytime soon then it is possible to say that maybe the goal of this new chip was more than just reduced operating power. Performance could be part of the equation. A very likely one considering Apples desire to go after certain markets.
Dave
This all seems reasonable, and it just shows how big a difference 90 nm chips could make in the lineup because they'll open so many possibilities for the introduction of G5 chips into coming systems that would have been incapable of housing the hotter 130 nm chips.
What you describe above is almost a revolution for the Apple lineup, and one that I say it could use.
The laptop speeds are abysmal right now. The iMac's pretty bad off, as well. They need G5 chips and I'd say that even still, the laptop would be pretty far off the competition.
Unfortunately, we're still significantly behind the highest-end PCs. Has anyone seen the Apple v. Alienware faceoff in Macworld? Those AMD chips trounced us. It made me cringe.
But anyway, January COULD BE very exciting. I think that at the very least, we'll see the desktop updates and a new display. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see the iMac and PB updates, and a bit more surprised to see the iBook and eMac updates w/the 750VX (I haven't, though, been keeping up with the progress on this chip, so I shouldn't pass judgment on the likelihood of its appearance).
Now what would really be a treat is to see 20th Anniversary Macintosh II. That would be the only thing that made me waver from buying the top-of-the-line G5, unless it was prohibitively expensive. I mean, that's one of those pieces that you treasure forever, even though its specs aren't as great as the PowerMac 9600 of today, the G5.
Still under warranty?
What did you get, the Super Ultra Mega Extended Über 1337 Apple Care Program?
What did you get, the Super Ultra Mega Extended Über 1337 Apple Care Program?
Yeah, maybe you should chill out a little yourself. I mean no one is making kittens eat pop-rocks here. It's a web site.
I'd almost bet they'll be single 2.0, dual 2.2 and dual 2.4 machines, with no 2.6's just yet. Steve always wants to play it safe, and WWDC is only 4-5 months away where they'll speed bump them further.
I'd also predict single and dual 2.0 XServes, new displays, but nothing else (except for software, possibly a low-end iPod, and maybe an off-chance for a 20th anniversary thingy, though I doubt it).
I think hoping for new iMacs and PBs is just a bit too early.
Remember, they always like to bring out some serious stuff in February,
so I bet they'll announce something in the iMac or PB arena in Feb.
Just my 2c.
I'd also predict single and dual 2.0 XServes, new displays, but nothing else (except for software, possibly a low-end iPod, and maybe an off-chance for a 20th anniversary thingy, though I doubt it).
I think hoping for new iMacs and PBs is just a bit too early.
Remember, they always like to bring out some serious stuff in February,
so I bet they'll announce something in the iMac or PB arena in Feb.
Just my 2c.
Welcome to the computer industry. Its been this way for the last 25 years. Buy when you need it, not when you lust it. Keep in mind key release dates throughout the year. Because what is worse is buying a Mac/PC the day before a major release. Other than that plan on being ahead of the curve for one month and relish that month until you buy again. Of course, if your productivity is based on the speed of the PC (Video, Graphics, Science, etc.) than get a new Mac every major speed bump, it will pay for itself if you can cut your render time significantly.
The January G5 Line-Up
2.0 GHz iMac G5s
2.2, 2.4 & 2.6 MP G5 PowerMacs
Making the PMs all dual and the iMac single will make a distinct difference between the two lines, besides the expansion options. I bet most people buying the low-end PM G5 with a 17" Studio Display would love a similar spec´d iMac with a 20" LCD for less money.
With a cooler running processor this should be feasable.
2.0 GHz iMac G5s
2.2, 2.4 & 2.6 MP G5 PowerMacs
Making the PMs all dual and the iMac single will make a distinct difference between the two lines, besides the expansion options. I bet most people buying the low-end PM G5 with a 17" Studio Display would love a similar spec´d iMac with a 20" LCD for less money.
With a cooler running processor this should be feasable.
AMD will not be at 4GHz by the end of the year, unless you are referring to their own numbering system not Hz.
Intel is reportedly going to announce the 3.4GHz 90NM Prescot (140W!) on February 2, 2004 with delivery set for March/April in Quantity, so its really becoming a 2nd Qtr 2004 release and the heat is still too high in the 90NM process for it to scale well. The Pentium 4 eXtreme is experiencing Sudden Overclocking Death (SOD) after working a few days at a higher clock. The overclocking sites are saying that the processor just dies and downclocking it doesn't bring it back to life, so that line is at its limit as well.
I personally do not think AMD will be able to keep up. Opteron has only sold 10,000 processors, hardly enough to cover its ramp up. A64 is in its adoption phase, but initial benchmarks are showing it equal to and maybe slightly slower than the top Pentiums, with no Win64 in sight to leverage its only differentiating feature. AMD is going to take a financial beating during this transition and when the cash starts drying up so goes the innovation.
It's my belief that IBM/Apple has the processor with the best legs right now. And, IBMs ability to innovate on the processor side is boundless as is Apple's ability to innovate on the Software and Systems side. Having the best processor and the best OS is a pretty powerful combination.
The laptop speeds are pretty darn fast. Apple doesn't sell those 9 pound bricks that last for one hour, their notebooks are real notebooks and their speed is up there for their form factor. That they have 9200 and 9600 GPU's is pretty good as well.
"we're still significantly behind the highest-end PCs." Did you even read that review, they were comparing MS Word and Premiere between those two platforms! Not Final Cut Pro, they were the same tests that PC World ran and the article clearly stated that this showed Premieres age more than anything else. Premiere has been a dead App on OS X for the last two years. FCP blows them away.
Correct, I believe by the middle of this yr when Apple hits 3Ghz marks then basically the Apple/AMD battle will be almost done and if not by then, then by the end of the yr.
I believe Apple has always had it's eye on Intel and meeting and beating it in the performance area. IBM would also love to call it's self the fastest PC 64bit processor in the world at some point as well.
AMD's apparently love to be overclocked but I read their are problems with trying to overclock the current 64bit processors.
IBM has both the Power 5, Power 5+ and Power 6 and already a rumored Power 6+ in works. So I doubt IBM will be holding back anytime soon with it's processors.
I wonder when we will see a ver. of the Power 5+ in PPC form?? Probably not until sometime in 06' I'm guessing.
y'all haven't been looking
Ummm - Windows for AMD 64-bit is in beta, and is pretty easy to get if you need it.
For example, if you look at the Broadcom driver download site, you'll see drivers listed for Windows x86-64 and Linux x86-64. Do you think companies would be posting drivers for an operating system that isn't available?
64-bit Windows is here now for IA64, and it's definitely in sight for x86-64 if you're looking for it!
Ummm - Windows for AMD 64-bit is in beta, and is pretty easy to get if you need it.
For example, if you look at the Broadcom driver download site, you'll see drivers listed for Windows x86-64 and Linux x86-64. Do you think companies would be posting drivers for an operating system that isn't available?
64-bit Windows is here now for IA64, and it's definitely in sight for x86-64 if you're looking for it!
The opteron 2.2Ghz is the best processor out right now, not the G5. The 2.2 beats the G5. I don't know what your reading, but everything I see shows the Opteron being a success and being sold with no problems<IBM is using them, ect.> Its already planned to have a dual core and hyperthreading support soon. I think it can and will keep up, probably overtake it when the G5 gets a boost in Ghz, just like it has now.
Re: Maybe this is my grumpy mood talking, but
Some people never learn... I think someone needs to give a course on the MegaHertz myth, and how more clock cycles/greater MHz is only one small piece of the equation.
Yah, I'm sure you're right brhmac, a 2.8 GHz 32-bit Intel chip no doubt kicks the crap out of a 64-bit 2.6 GHz PowerPC chip.
Some people never learn... I think someone needs to give a course on the MegaHertz myth, and how more clock cycles/greater MHz is only one small piece of the equation.
Yah, I'm sure you're right brhmac, a 2.8 GHz 32-bit Intel chip no doubt kicks the crap out of a 64-bit 2.6 GHz PowerPC chip.
I just want to say apple has come out this year and turn the computing world upside-down. We as mac users will always have 1 thing I believe above pc. And that is competition. I say this not as a pc vs mac sense. We as users have to stick by apple decisions or go elsewhere. I see all my friends fighting over the 64 bit AMD's and how one should get it and others don't believe they should. Apple made a pretty much flawless change over into the 64 bit world.
**** apple has showed me this year that they are power hungry. I cant waiit to see whats to come next year.
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**** apple has showed me this year that they are power hungry. I cant waiit to see whats to come next year.
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Macs, Speeds and processors
Well I've been reading all of your responses so far, and it made me chuckle.
Pro's con's, yes no, just the standard sort of thread I'd expected on this subject.
Let's keep it that way, it is one of the reasons why I love Macrumors, some might not be true at all, it always makes for entertaining reading, and what's best; it is all about our every passion; Apple and everything it is about!
Anyway, back on topic: i've read the Macworld review too, and i must say the G5's hav been treated a littel unfair in some cases. no doubt there is a fasterPC system out there, but indeed using final cut pro would have beet more realistic, who on earth still uses Premiere on an OSX machine?
Interesting though how bad Office for MAC fared against it's PC counter part, that must have to do with bad porting (but hey it's MS, so what do you expect...)
As for the up and coming speedbumps, bring em on!!!
Well I've been reading all of your responses so far, and it made me chuckle.
Pro's con's, yes no, just the standard sort of thread I'd expected on this subject.
Let's keep it that way, it is one of the reasons why I love Macrumors, some might not be true at all, it always makes for entertaining reading, and what's best; it is all about our every passion; Apple and everything it is about!
Anyway, back on topic: i've read the Macworld review too, and i must say the G5's hav been treated a littel unfair in some cases. no doubt there is a fasterPC system out there, but indeed using final cut pro would have beet more realistic, who on earth still uses Premiere on an OSX machine?
Interesting though how bad Office for MAC fared against it's PC counter part, that must have to do with bad porting (but hey it's MS, so what do you expect...)
As for the up and coming speedbumps, bring em on!!!
WHAT ABOUT MEMORY AND MB CONNECTIONS??
Hey all I hate to be a downer but at these awesome speeds we start to have some other issues. Namely memory speed and chip connections on the MB, unless IBM has some secret source of super fast DDR2 or DDR3 and Apple has a speedier chipset waiting to go won't we sort of be in the reverse problem we had before? Instead of an FSB that cant handle the systems components, we will have a system that cant utilize the FSB! Or will Apple increase memory bandwidth with triple or quad channel DDR (just kidding as I do't think thats possible). Any ideas out there about this? I know some super fast memory is out there, but the fastest I've seen is 533 DDR with horrible CAS of 3.
Hey all I hate to be a downer but at these awesome speeds we start to have some other issues. Namely memory speed and chip connections on the MB, unless IBM has some secret source of super fast DDR2 or DDR3 and Apple has a speedier chipset waiting to go won't we sort of be in the reverse problem we had before? Instead of an FSB that cant handle the systems components, we will have a system that cant utilize the FSB! Or will Apple increase memory bandwidth with triple or quad channel DDR (just kidding as I do't think thats possible). Any ideas out there about this? I know some super fast memory is out there, but the fastest I've seen is 533 DDR with horrible CAS of 3.
All this talk of Gigahertz. I don't even know what it feels like to work on a system as fast as these. I've been using a G4-450 at home and work since 1999. My boss is too cheap to pay for an upgrade and I am still paying for my G4 and all the software and accessories I bought with it.
One day I will leave the matrix. Until then ignorance is bliss.
Edit: Oh by the way, I have NEVER used a machine faster than my G4-450
One day I will leave the matrix. Until then ignorance is bliss.
Edit: Oh by the way, I have NEVER used a machine faster than my G4-450
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